Separation of Church & State thread:1-4-05 Catholics succeed in getting South Park episode permanently banned in the US

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Steeplerot,

You continue to bash Christians and their beliefs, in fact you haven't stopped there, you continue to bash all those who choose to live a life of Faith. Look through this thread, mainly your own posts. You have done nothing but try to shove your beliefs down others throats, you have shown absolute hatred for billions of people all across the world. And because of the rationale you give, you have become exactly what you yourself claim to hate.

find your own happiness as I have, seeking external happiness will only lead you to misery.

That is the biggest load of crap I have seen in a while. Reading through your posts, I fail to see any happiness in your life. Your posts are filled with hatred and bigotry.


If you would like to end religion all together, I suggest YOU read up on some history, mainly Portugal from the years 1900 to 1920. And if you are too lazy, just send me 5000 US dollars via PayPal and I'll tell you all about it.

Until then, I think you aught to just STFU before you spew endless tripe offending over 90% of the inhabitants of Earth.

How can you be offended when anything he says means fsckall to you? Sometimes this Forum reminds me a Monkey cage where some of the inhabitants spend most of their time throwing feces at each other and anybody who happens by.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How can you be offended when anything he says means fsckall to you?

Meh, I'm not personally offended, much, yet I guess I have a hard time being quiet when I read such crap.

Sometimes this Forum reminds me a Monkey cage where some of the inhabitants spend most of their time throwing feces at each other and anybody who happens by.

:laugh: we can agree there.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Sometimes this Forum reminds me a Monkey cage where some of the inhabitants spend most of their time throwing feces at each other and anybody who happens by.

:laugh: we can agree there.

:laugh:

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bamacre
Steeplerot,

You continue to bash Christians and their beliefs, in fact you haven't stopped there, you continue to bash all those who choose to live a life of Faith. Look through this thread, mainly your own posts. You have done nothing but try to shove your beliefs down others throats, you have shown absolute hatred for billions of people all across the world. And because of the rationale you give, you have become exactly what you yourself claim to hate.

find your own happiness as I have, seeking external happiness will only lead you to misery.

That is the biggest load of crap I have seen in a while. Reading through your posts, I fail to see any happiness in your life. Your posts are filled with hatred and bigotry.


If you would like to end religion all together, I suggest YOU read up on some history, mainly Portugal from the years 1900 to 1920. And if you are too lazy, just send me 5000 US dollars via PayPal and I'll tell you all about it.

Until then, I think you aught to just STFU before you spew endless tripe offending over 90% of the inhabitants of Earth.

How can you be offended when anything he says means fsckall to you? Sometimes this Forum reminds me a Monkey cage where some of the inhabitants spend most of their time throwing feces at each other and anybody who happens by.

just sometimes, eh?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

You guys do realize you've spent the last 24 hours arguing possibly the most ridiculous topic in the history of the world. To argue over religion is to argue philosophy and no 2 people will share the same philosophy on everything.

Lay down thy weapons and return to thy home. It has been too long since many of you have seen sunlight.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Tithe me 5000$ paypal and I will tell you my son.

I don't think you can answer the question, because you don't know the answer.

Actually it's not any of your concern, find your own happiness as I have, seeking external happiness will only lead you to misery.

If you really insist on having someone else hold your hand in your own spiritual matters then I would be happy to write you a bible or something -hey why not?, like I said, PM me for paypal details, and what name you want as a saint and miracle types you would like to perform... kthx.. and no walking on water and all that overdone crap! come up with something original!

Well, since you don't know...

Most people, I think, would calibrate their moral compass by the rules that are set in the society that they live in. (Law) Some People with religious beliefs that are in conflict with the laws of society tend to migrate towards what is socially acceptable, despite their religious beliefs. Some people strictly conform to what their religious beliefs dictate, and risk alienation from society.
Anyway, the point that I want to make is that; Over 80% of our society describes themselves as subscribing to some sort of Religion or Religious beliefs. An overwhelming majority of those describe themselves as Christians. Their religious beliefs, by default, form the moral foundations of our great society.

A position that suggests that religion should not or does influence our day to day lives is simply retarded. You are constantly under the thumbnail of religion, from the moment you are born, and to the moment you die. That is just the way it is...:gift:


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[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
HAIL SATAN!

- M4H

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Tithe me 5000$ paypal and I will tell you my son.

I don't think you can answer the question, because you don't know the answer.

Actually it's not any of your concern, find your own happiness as I have, seeking external happiness will only lead you to misery.

If you really insist on having someone else hold your hand in your own spiritual matters then I would be happy to write you a bible or something -hey why not?, like I said, PM me for paypal details, and what name you want as a saint and miracle types you would like to perform... kthx.. and no walking on water and all that overdone crap! come up with something original!

Well, since you don't know...

Most people, I think, would calibrate their moral compass by the rules that are set in the society that they live in. (Law) Some People with religious beliefs that are in conflict with the laws of society tend to migrate towards what is socially acceptable, despite their religious beliefs. Some people strictly conform to what their religious beliefs dictate, and risk alienation from society.
Anyway, the point that I want to make is that; Over 80% of our society describes themselves as subscribing to some sort of Religion or Religious beliefs. An overwhelming majority of those describe themselves as Christians. Their religious beliefs, by default, form the moral foundations of our great society.

A position that suggests that religion should not or does influence our day to day lives is simply retarded. You are constantly under the thumbnail of religion, from the moment you are born, and to the moment you die. That is just the way it is...:gift:


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I pretty much make my own way in life, you only let "normies" control you to the extent you participate in their society. I see the people who wander around in the daytime and think they run things, but it is a joke, they only control the ones that let them.

This is why so many of you are such a luagh in here, you assume everyone in america lives the same rat race life you do, well, there is a whole other group of americans that don't buy into the scam. And they had cool parents or something that taught them to live their own life on their own terms.

At work I deal with the daytime people but pretty much am afforded to tell them to mind their own buisness. Having a "dayjob" is a pretty rare thing for me most of the time anyhow. I just like helping people -a lot. Nighttime is the time when it's cool outside and the lost folks are all asleep.

You can move around and breathe, even in the heart of the hugest cities in america.
Free of the pointing fingers and staring of the clueless ones. The ones that rule the day.

In the woods there are many americans that have cast the "mainstream" society away for the ways of communal life, living in abandoned buildings and making their own homes, musicians that only come out to play shows or meet with their own.

The only time I myself hear about jesus and stuff is in here or when I stand on a darken streetcorner and glance up at a church to see the time on the towers.

What you make of yourself and what you buy into is optional. And many have left the hypicritical lifestyle of money and contridictions and cancer of the soul behind.

Stay up late one night and watch...you will see.... like I said in here before I do not even know anyone with a tv or a car....why?

People who think they rule america and try to dictate liek you have what is "mainstream" have enslaved themselves to a unholy altar by their own choice and see nothing beyond their own rules and ideas of what is "normal".

Regardless of what some portray the underground in america is alive and well, it's where the best parts of our independent culture hide from the opressors that walk in their blind daytime world.

If evoloution is outlawed then only the outlaws will evolve, awaiting our time when the american mindset catches up with us again. until then remember, everything you percieve is a lie.

liberate your mind

Who should YOU fvck over today?

There is another way, up to you to find yours.

 

[dmcowen674]

Update 5-30-05:

I E-mailed the Christian Organization that keeps calling my cell phone.

No response but so far 2 days without a call.

Their computer was calling me everyday for the past 2 weeks sometimes 2 and 3 times a day.

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
Redpickle, you called me ignorant for saying muslims are taught that killing infidels is a ticket to heaven, but that is not untrue. christians are in no way, shape, or form instructed to harm others from the source that actually matters: the bible. if people are stupid enough to listen to a preacher as if it was the word of God then that is their own problem. dont equate that person with what christianity really is. you misunderstood my post, so calm down beavis.

Dear Butthead,

If you reread your post you will see this line: "where in the bible or in the religion of christianity is it taught that you should kill people you disagree with? thats what muslims are taught, not christians."

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that priests and preachers are both a part of "the religion of chrisitanity."

Secondly, please tell me WHO teaches Muslims to "kill infidels." Is it SPECIFICALLY stated that they should do so, or is it the interpretation of people of the Islamic faith. This can also be said in the same respect for the Christian faith. Its NOT what the words in the holy books say, its HOW they are INTERPRETED. You say thats not what chrisitanity is. Others will say christianity is about protecting babies and they go and blow up abortion clincs. Others of the chrisitan faith will say that minorities are bad and they go and kill minorities. Thankfully it is not up to you to interpret for the rest of the Chrisitians of the world what the Bible means.

You misunderstood your own post. Open your eyes Butthead.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Update 5-30-05:

I E-mailed the Christian Organization that keeps calling my cell phone.

No response but so far 2 days without a call.

Their computer was calling me everyday for the past 2 weeks sometimes 2 and 3 times a day.

Id contact the leader of that organization. E-mail wont work.

Pray.

J/K Dave

 

[dmcowen674]

5-31-2005 Judge Gives Offenders Option of Church

LONDON, Ky. - A Kentucky judge has been offering some drug and alcohol offenders the option of attending worship services instead of going to jail or rehab ? a practice some say violates the separation of church and state.

David Friedman, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky, said the option raises "serious constitutional problems."

"The judge is saying that those willing to go to worship services can avoid jail in the same way that those who decline to go cannot," Friedman said. "That strays from government neutrality towards religion."

 

[conjur]

Saw that. I wonder if the offender has a choice of "worship services" from a pre-determined list of authorized "worship facilities"? :roll:

 

[Phokus]

HAY, isn't this the type of judicial activisim that the christian right has been bitching about?

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

and the point went soaring over your head. where in the bible or in the religion of christianity is it taught that you should kill people you disagree with? thats what muslims are taught, not christians

Both religions teach their followers to kill unbelievers when their deity tells them too. If you're seriously asking where to find teachings about killing others in a Christian Bible, you just need to read it because it's full of violence. How about a few verses from Deuteronomy 20:

20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
20:15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.

or read Deuteronomy 21 about how to deal with children who disagree with you:

21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

There's plenty more urgings to violence in that book and in many others.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
You guys do realize you've spent the last 24 hours arguing possibly the most ridiculous topic in the history of the world. To argue over religion is to argue philosophy and no 2 people will share the same philosophy on everything.

Lay down thy weapons and return to thy home. It has been too long since many of you have seen sunlight.

I understand what you mean but in reality it will never happen...


Ausm

 

[sao123]

Ahh but you missed the most important 2 verses in the whole bible.

Deuteronomy 25
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts,
12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

 

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
it's the other stuff that divides and gives reason to kill and hate that is my problem.

Name some New Testement "stuff" that promotes hate... even in your bias and twisted view I doubt you can find anything that promotes anything of the kind.

Joe

 

[bkspitfire]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Hey Dave. Start an "Official Anti-Satanism" thread and take note of the lack of outrage.

/second

 

[piasabird]

How can you have a primary topic and quote people and then yo dont give the original link to that discussion?

Since there is no link to an article what is the big deal?

How are we suppose to decipher what the topic is about?

On the topic of Church and Religion, everyone in this country has the same freedom of speech. If a person wants to talk about God, the trash pickup, or their gay lifestyle they all have the same freedom of speech, and we have to protect each person's freedom of speech equally.

 

[piasabird]

 

[MaverikV]

Typical misguided sentiment about the incorrect attributing of laws/morality to faith systems or a divinity.

 

[judasmachine]

The Melting Pot experiment has gone too far to call this a christian country. We are too diverse for one culture to rule us all. I think the christians need to realize that america belongs to the people. The ones that work all week and BBQ on the weekends w/o any thought of god or anything else other than a cold beer and the little woman. You have non-practicing atheists everywhere, who do think watches all the shows, and reads all the books you guys want to ban? Who are these millions of people who watched NYPD Blue and wanted to see the Latino girl's butt? The answer is easy we're America.

You can send us to Xtian counseling to avoid jail, you can make it illegal to drink beer, you can ban porn, but you won't stop it.

 

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
The Melting Pot experiment has gone too far to call this a christian country. We are too diverse for one culture to rule us all. I think the christians need to realize that america belongs to the people. The ones that work all week and BBQ on the weekends w/o any thought of god or anything else other than a cold beer and the little woman. You have non-practicing atheists everywhere, who do think watches all the shows, and reads all the books you guys want to ban? Who are these millions of people who watched NYPD Blue and wanted to see the Latino girl's butt? The answer is easy we're America.

You can send us to Xtian counseling to avoid jail, you can make it illegal to drink beer, you can ban porn, but you won't stop it.

My boss is one of the few open minded, honest and fully upfront NEAR atheists I know. (the reason that he's a NEAR atheist is that he recognizes that it takes an equal amount of faith to say that there ABSOLUTELY is no God as it does to say that there ABSOLUTELY is one... therefore he says that he is an agnostic who is as far as one can get in the direction of atheism without actually being an atheist).

But I digress....

The reason that I believe him to be open, honest and intelligent is that he will readily admit that this country is NOT going in the direction of the Found Fathers, that it's obvious from their writings that the 2nd Amendment applies ONLY to the federal government and not state or local governments, that the founders of this country SURELY envisioned a Christian (morally and ethically) nation... etc. But he then says (basically) so what? It's gone too far from what they wanted and now he's an atheistic Jew living in this country and doesn't CARE what they wanted as much as what the people living here TODAY want.

While I don't agree with him on how the country should be run, I applaud and respect him for not trying to rewrite history as so many do to try to point to this country somehow being based on a religiously sterile government.

ANYONE doing a little history work could see that a "god-free" government is just BS.

Take a look at the Continental Congress, which controlled the country before we got the constitution ratified. One of their FIRST official piece of legislation was to have 20,000 BIBLES printed for American Citizens (September 11, 1777) with the CONGRESS's recommendation of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States!

How about what Patrick Henry wrote in 1776:

It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.

How about the Declaration of Independence which says the humans have certain inalienable rights. But then people throw out the window what the document says is the SOURCE of those rights!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Heck... the declaration even says that GOD entitled us to break off from England!

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

How about Congress always opening in prayer? How about the Supreme Court having THREE DIFFERENT DEPICTIONS of the Ten Commandments? How about courts historically swearing people in on a Bible? How about Presidents taking the Oath of Office on a Bible? How about the Federal Government always EMPLOYING a Chaplain for Congress? How about the Federal Government always employing Chaplains (thousands) for the Military? How about the MANY times that the Federal Government has declared days of prayer or fasting and prayer?

I could go on and on and on... but why bother? Anyone who thinks that this government was designed from the beginning to be religiously sterile must think that the people involved in ratifying the Constitution just immediately FORGOT what they wrote in doing all the things that I mentioned above. No... I think that oft referred to Achems Razor would indicate that these men were living out what they thought WAS covered by the Constitution and that it's this generation's (and the last several's) perverted interpretation of the Constitution that can't be brought into alignment with the actual HISTORY of the country.

Joe

 

[MrPALCO]

Let's separate the "church of Liberal thought" from the US Government. That would save many lives.