Sens. Clinton and Kerry Push for Voting Holiday

[Jack31081]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
This is very revolutionary thought. Amazing. Can't help but love the Democrats.

Revolutionary? I've been complaining about the need for an election holiday since the '00 elections...

I think it's exactly what we need to help get people to the polls. the only downside is that it's possible will just take monday off as well and use the four day weekend as a vacation instead of using tuesday to vote. either way, i think turnout would definitely go up, as it gives most people one less excuse.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
Topic Title: Sens. Clinton and Kerry Push for Voting Holiday

I don't know why they would push for this, the U.S. no longer votes, it's a religious indocrination of faith only with no acountability, no paper trail, no nothing.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Condor
It occurred to me that they might be getting together to actually do something that is not opportunistic. That can't be right!

Wrong. It has long been known that there are more liberals than conservatives out there. The more people they get out to vote the more votes for Democrats they will get.

I believe that was the theory that Kerry ran his campaign on, wasn't it? Didn't work, did it?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Aside from allowing the felons to vote (assumed to be a large block on non-voting lebirals BTW) I'm all for it.

Don't overlook the felons love for guns and the democrats desire to do away with them. Are you really that sure?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Condor
It occurred to me that they might be getting together to actually do something that is not opportunistic. That can't be right!

Wrong. It has long been known that there are more liberals than conservatives out there. The more people they get out to vote the more votes for Democrats they will get.

I believe that was the theory that Kerry ran his campaign on, wasn't it? Didn't work, did it?

dissipate is correct, however they just don't vote 🙁

 

[imported_Condor]

Oh, and I have to agree with you that there are a lot of liberals that are felons. Funny you should mention it, though. I thought it was a great secret!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Condor
Oh, and I have to agree with you that there are a lot of liberals that are felons. Funny you should mention it, though. I thought it was a great secret!

The conservatives just get pardoned or get off on "technicalities". *cough*North*cough*....*cough*Abrams*cough*.... *cough*Weinberger*cough*...*cough*Poindexter*cough*

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
This is very revolutionary thought. Amazing. Can't help but love the Democrats.

yup, can't help but love that they are pushing for something which will screw contract employees out of another day of pay....

A few weeks ago I would have been against this, but now with a full time gig I personally am not effected...however I still think making it a holliday is a bad idea, especially for those who work hourly and or are contractors...thought the Dems wanted to help the lower/working class not hurt it?

I think it is BS, why not just make sure it falls on a Saturday,

The subpoints of paper reciepts and ex felons are laughable at best...the only good point they raise is that of the extra cash for changes in equipment and or systems.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Another point is...

Sometimes I don't want more people voting. Hell, even now only a fraction have any clue as to who they are even voting for or why. I have friends that vote because they think they have to. Do you think they could name any issues, let alone some of the candidates - no. Do we really want these people voting?

Sure it is there right, but it should be your responsibility to be capable of making a sound judgement. I would prefer to keep as many lazy, stupid, and indifferent people out of politics as I can. But, I am a Republican, and I guess that is just because I don't benefit when stupid people hit the polls. More voting means more people will vote themselves a raise, aka. vote Democrat (or whichever party appeals to the masses the most with the most kickbacks).

I've seen that go both ways...and often it isn't necessarily the people who have no idea what the hell they are voting for, as much as it is a guy who thinks that he has to check republican or democract all the way down without really finding out about the issue. To be truly informed about the situation is something very difficult and takes MANY hours. Don't expect to read a short pamphlet for most issues and be "oh! I know where I stand". That is why I only vote on what issues I have expsoed myself to, and often (and regreftully) I leave many parts of a ballot empty if I'm not exactly sure what it is about, because I would agree with you on that rather than check my favorite party down the list, I would rather not vote at all. But that is for ME~ I'm not going to wish others didn't vote because it didn't work out for th party I supported-->that is promoting disenfranchisement~

But I think your problem is assuming that "poor people" vote stupidly, and because it geso to the democrats than it shouldn't be counted. I would wonder what your position would be if these votes went to democrats.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bamacre
While these are good ideas to encourage voting, it would only work if we got some decent candidates. Who cares if 90% of voters vote, if they all vote for the same crap, we still get the same crap.

Mobocracy (which is what we have today, long after all vestiges of limits on governmental power have eroded away) will never produce anything but the same crap.

Voting is nothing more than an extreme act of masochism. It is basically saying "Rob me of my earnings and have me get down on all fours and beg like a dog for the scraps that you re-distribute."

That is literally the position the politicians have put us in, which has produced thousands of interest groups salivating at the feet of the government for a few scraps of the pork pie, or even a bone or two once in awhile.

Personally, I prefer to retain some portion of my dignity by refraining from such a masochistic act. Any other rational person, no matter what your ideology is, should do the same.

As for Hillary Clinton, she just wants to make it easier for people to go to the polls so they can create more dogs for the government.

So how would you like to see our leaders elected?

First of all, politicians are not leaders. Leaders are people you look up to and who guide you, not people who strip you of your productivity and try to take over your entire life. Hence, politicians today are slavemasters, not leaders.

We don't need slavemasters. We should abolish this mobocracy and adopt a system of market anarchism/natural order.

 

[irwincur]

But I think your problem is assuming that "poor people" vote stupidly, and because it geso to the democrats than it shouldn't be counted. I would wonder what your position would be if these votes went to democrats.

Where did I mention poor people. I was referring to friends of mine, none of which are poor. Some vote Republican because they are religious nuts, others vote Democrat because that is just the way they have always been told to vote. It is not a rich or poor thing and it applies to all issues and all parties.

I just get fed up because I pay attention (and a few others) during election season while everyone just drifts on through. Seriously, is higher turnout better if the people voting are less educated. No, it is not.

I swear, there should be a test, if you cannot name the mjor candidates and their VP nominations, you should be kicked out of the polling station.



edit - I see where you got the poor idea. Voting for Democratic entitlements does not only impact the poor. They promise crap to everyone, like a turkey shoot for votes. They know that they will never grant 1/10 of their promises, if they did they couldn't use the same ones the next cycle. As it stands there are numerous basic playbook promises that the Democrats have made for the past 60 years - none of which have ever been fixed.

Pretty interesting considering for 50 of those years they had almost absolute power. They could have fixed anything they wanted and actually payed up on their promises. Did they, no, it would take away election issues.

 

[DZip]

Would this be a Federal or National holiday? Only Govt. workers, banks, and teachers get off on Federal holidays. Factory workers get off on National holidays. What about hospital workers, retail store workers, fast food workers and others, they must still work. Will it be a paid holiday? If so, who will pay for it? Will anyone scheduled to work on this holiday get paid triple time? I think those that proposed this idea forget that voting in not only a right, but also a responsibility. We are the one responsible for getting to the polls and making intelligent choices when we cast that vote. Why subsidize those that will only do it because they get paid for it?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Condor
It occurred to me that they might be getting together to actually do something that is not opportunistic. That can't be right!

Wrong. It has long been known that there are more liberals than conservatives out there. The more people they get out to vote the more votes for Democrats they will get.

I believe that was the theory that Kerry ran his campaign on, wasn't it? Didn't work, did it?

dissipate is correct, however they just don't vote 🙁

You give them a holiday and you won't find them at the polls then either - they won't even be in town!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Condor
Oh, and I have to agree with you that there are a lot of liberals that are felons. Funny you should mention it, though. I thought it was a great secret!

The conservatives just get pardoned or get off on "technicalities". *cough*North*cough*....*cough*Abrams*cough*.... *cough*Weinberger*cough*...*cough*Poindexter*cough*

You are putting the crown on the wrong head. Clinton is the King of that. Think back to the transition!

 

[Genx87]

They think by giving us a holiday it will get more to vote democratic?
Democrats dont work anyways!

I am j/k j/k 🙂

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Jack31081

Originally posted by: Proletariat
This is very revolutionary thought. Amazing. Can't help but love the Democrats.

Revolutionary? I've been complaining about the need for an election holiday since the '00 elections...

True, it's an old idea but a good one.

I think it's exactly what we need to help get people to the polls. the only downside is that it's possible will just take monday off as well and use the four day weekend as a vacation instead of using tuesday to vote. either way, i think turnout would definitely go up, as it gives most people one less excuse.

There's also the idea of making voting mandatory, as Australia does.

While some complain that they don't want apathetic voters voting, it's important to look at why voters are apathetic. It's largely because they don't perceive voting as making a difference, and they often have a good point as the Republicans and Democrats are so close together on many points as to be indistinguishable. If those points are the essential issues to you, then it doesn't matter which of the two party's candidates win.

However, if voting was mandatory, the idea that third parties couldn't win wouldn't hold water any longer as voting wouldn't be spread from a minority of the population focused on the two parties to the entire adult population. There would either be more viable parties or the two major parties would have to take into account issues that they currently ignore. EIther outcome would be good for the country, as would the major party's giving up their various voting suppression efforts.