Seniors about to hosed by Obama

[First]

You claimed that SS was sustainable - I provided numbers proving that it it not sustainable in its current form.

SS is sustainable, just not in its current form as I said in the other thread you weren't apart of. This being yet another example of why you're so hopelessly out of your league here.

 

[Zorkorist]

It'll take an army of young men, and young women, the strength of America, and they will be happy to work, slave, all their lives to support our entitlement programs.

(the crowd goes wild)

-John

 

[BudAshes]

No one knew all these old people would live so damn long nowadays. If people just new when to call it quits we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Zorkorist]

No, Bud.

It's taking from those that have, and giving to those that need, which is the problem.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The lowest common denominator is the Government... and there is your problem.

-John

 

[lothar]

do any of you have relatives who are on Medicare and PartD? next week will be 1 year since my mom passed she was 81. If it wasnt for medicare and partD programs she would have been flat broke several years before she passed. what would have you guys suggested she do, what would you suggest YOUR mom do? cant get a doc because non will take medicare, cant buy drugs because the SS check is only 1100 a month...

some of you have strong opinions against SS/Medicare/planD. but what i dont see are the strong opinions of what you would do if your loved one is faced with medical problems and a system they were told all of their lives that they could depend on and which they took for truth is taken away? how would you deal with that? would you buy them their drugs? im guessing some of you would and some would not. the would nots would just say its their fault for not planning for the future.... but we all know everybody in here is filthy rich and will retire at 40.

before you people start blasting seniors saying they are moochers and freeloaders i suggest you step into their shoes and see things from their eyes. until then you need to shut your mouths until you know the impact of your heartless statements.

Your entire question/scenario is irrelevant.

It doesn't require a SS/Medicare disaster for me to realize I have to help my mom or family members when they need it.
If my mom/family members asks me for money or need my help, I give it to them.

I don't do the "I'm only helping you because this unfortunate thing happened to you" rubbish.
I practice "I'm helping you because you're my family member".

 

[Zorkorist]

It is up to YOU, poster, to help your mother (live and) die with dignity.

Not me.

But you.

-John

 

[Bitek]

what are you about 20?
The elderly obviously have more health problems and a diminished capacity to work, which is why SS came about in the first place. Most people who are young simply don't use doctors that much to begin with. I never did. nor do my kids seem to. I have another 10 plus years to work, Helping those older then me seems a reasonable thing to me. I have paid in for about 40 years already so quit whinning, get to work, and pay for mine

Yes, I joined AT when I was 11... I see your age has not brought wisdom. Lol

And no, the current retiring generation has not paid in. They have voted themselves $10T of taxcuts and spending (little of which they will payback,) spent the ss trustfund, and saved precious little themselves. They are leaving the country as broke as they are, and expect their children to pay for all their failings. They should be asking for forgiveness before asking such charity.

 

[Zorkorist]

Yes, I joined AT when I was 11... I see your age has not brought wisdom. Lol

And no, the current retiring generation has not paid in. They have voted themselves $10T of taxcuts and spending (little of which they will payback,) spent the ss trustfund, and saved precious little themselves. They are leaving the country as broke as they are, and expect their children to pay for all their failings. They should be asking for forgiveness before asking such charity.

That's a hell of a post.

I'm 46, so I have benefitted almost all my life.

I have no Children, but I do have nieces and nephew.

Dunno, it's a conundrum, whether I give a shit or not.

I guess since I post on P&N, I do.

Which also means, I have to try and make amends.

-John

 

[nobodyknows]

Yes, I joined AT when I was 11... I see your age has not brought wisdom. Lol

And no, the current retiring generation has not paid in. They have voted themselves $10T of taxcuts and spending (little of which they will payback,) spent the ss trustfund, and saved precious little themselves. They are leaving the country as broke as they are, and expect their children to pay for all their failings. They should be asking for forgiveness before asking such charity.

The Neocons rape the country so make all the old people suffer? LOL, you are not one to be lecturing others about wisdom.

 

[nobodyknows]

That's a hell of a post.

I'm 46.

Wow, if that's true then your dumber then I thought.

 

[OutHouse]

Medicare was the stupidest goddamn invention considering they could've taxed less and given tax breaks for having insurance. Then Medicare wouldn't be necessary. Obama could reduce the ridiculously high "defense" budget to $80B and then take some of that and give it to medicare. The amount of money we spend on military bases in Europe and Asia, as well as foreign aid is ridiculous.

tax breaks? lol ok you pay 500 bucks in taxes so here is 2.00 in a tax break. lol lol lol

im so sick of hearing about tax breaks. fuck that it my money to begin with, im the one giving it to the government and i have to beg to get it back for a tax break for health care? WTF Man!

 

[soccerballtux]

if we could refrain from criticizing Obama for doing things that are necessary and good (cutting expensive medicare) that would be a lot more helpful than trying to spin everything as "Obama is Evil". Like anyone, he does make good decisions occasionally. Cutting medicare would be one of them.

 

[highland145]

Cutting medicare would be one of them.

I haven't heard that before. Logic? Thanks.

 

[McWatt]

We've got a shitstorm brewing between Social Security and Medicare and these Liberal zealots are telling you "nothing to see here, move along".

I've mostly heard conservatives saying that SS and Medicare are doing just fine, but maybe that's because I was listening a lot while Bush was in the White House so Republicans had an incentive to claim the status quo was good.

I think that unrealistic views of SS and Medicare's sustainability are bipartisan and incredibly dangerous for the US, more so than any other long term fiscal views.

 

[pcgeek11]

"Obama is Evil".

Have you ever read the description of the Antichrist?

If not you need to read it.

 

[Zebo]

The Neocons rape the country so make all the old people suffer? LOL, you are not one to be lecturing others about wisdom.

Neocons? Ha! Dems are in on it too. Obama the hero of hope and change has put into motion the biggest fuck job on the middle/lower class in history by creating a "deficit commission" who's express purpose is to slash Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They even admit it. Here's how it will go down.

Obama’s commission will recommend a variety of deficit reduction measures to eliminate the big 3 with eventual goal money being funneled into Wall Street, the same group who made Obama set commission up, the same group who received bailouts, the same group who pays less taxes than a plumber. First they will institute benefit cuts and increasing the age in which benefits are received. Then they will introduce a limited option for personal savings accounts, for the young and/or as a percentage. Also they will implement a tiny, but ineffectual tax on the rich, to give the illusion that everybody is making a sacrifice.

As Market explodes from this new found money there will be a PR campaign showing just how rich you'll be following S&P vectors and Americans will be just gullible enough to trust their money to Wall Street and we will put all new Social Security money into Wall Street accounts.

 

[soccerballtux]

I've mostly heard conservatives saying that SS and Medicare are doing just fine, but maybe that's because I was listening a lot while Bush was in the White House so Republicans had an incentive to claim the status quo was good.

I think that unrealistic views of SS and Medicare's sustainability are bipartisan and incredibly dangerous for the US, more so than any other long term fiscal views.

Bush/Republicans-- probably.

definitely dangerous.

 

[Bitek]

Neocons? Ha! Dems are in on it too. Obama the hero of hope and change has put into motion the biggest fuck job on the middle/lower class in history by creating a "deficit commission" who's express purpose is to slash Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They even admit it. Here's how it will go down.

Obama’s commission will recommend a variety of deficit reduction measures to eliminate the big 3 with eventual goal money being funneled into Wall Street, the same group who made Obama set commission up, the same group who received bailouts, the same group who pays less taxes than a plumber. First they will institute benefit cuts and increasing the age in which benefits are received. Then they will introduce a limited option for personal savings accounts, for the young and/or as a percentage. Also they will implement a tiny, but ineffectual tax on the rich, to give the illusion that everybody is making a sacrifice.

As Market explodes from this new found money there will be a PR campaign showing just how rich you'll be following S&P vectors and Americans will be just gullible enough to trust their money to Wall Street and we will put all new Social Security money into Wall Street accounts.

I agree with the first part of what you said. The commission is being setup to reccomend cuts to the big entitlement programs, prob Def projects, and propose tax increases. I'll leave off on the wall st conspiracy theory, but it will be interesting to see what the final mix of reccs will be.

Regardless, its will likely be painful and unpopular, but has to be done in a commission like this for any chance of passing. It has to be an all in or all out in regards to both parties on the votes. Way too easy to demagogue, no one will want to vote for it, and any unanimity will cause the austerity cuts to fail as Congress runs for the hills.

Something has to be done or we will flounder and fail like Greece into insolvency and political infighting. The debts are unsustainable, and the demographics are against us. I thought last spring Obama had two years to run the high deficits to get the economy going again, after that it was too politically unpopular, at home and even abroad. Hopefully the economy will continue its slow upward trend, but no doubt that the next decade will be far less prosperous than the last two. Unfortunately I have little faith in the political climate of being able to aptly deal with such large, complex and serious issues that will be needed to steer us through this slowly evolving crisis.

 

[owensdj]

The problem with Medicare funding is a symptom of disease rather than the disease itself. The disease is the outrageous cost of all things medical. How could an MRI cost $500? Why do hospitals charge $40 for a single Tylenol pill?