Seniors about to hosed by Obama

[Zebo]

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With a 21% cut to Medicare reimbursement rates set to take effect Monday, the nation's largest physician organization has informed its members about their options -- which include shutting off practices to new Medicare patients.

http://news.google.com/news?q=With ...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn

 

[First]

lmao.

 

[IronWing]

Fair's fair. If the rest of us can't join a single payer system why should seniors? They have the highest health costs of any group. Let them rejoin the free market, pay for their own care, and see how fast we get real health care reform.

 

[Brigandier]

Fair's fair. If the rest of us can't join a single payer system why should seniors? They have the highest health costs of any group. Let them rejoin the free market, pay for their own care, and see how fast we get real health care reform.

This affects more than seniors, it also affects those suffering from incurable illnesses that cannot be covered anywhere else.

 

[Patranus]

Fair's fair. If the rest of us can't join a single payer system why should seniors? They have the highest health costs of any group. Let them rejoin the free market, pay for their own care, and see how fast we get real health care reform.

If they hadn't paid into a system their entire lives you might have a point. Yet another reason why these "progressive" social programs should be eliminated.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Fair's fair. If the rest of us can't join a single payer system why should seniors? They have the highest health costs of any group. Let them rejoin the free market, pay for their own care, and see how fast we get real health care reform.

Keep blowing smoke out your ass.....the so called "seniors" paid into the system their entire lives.

So your point hold no water and is actually quite callous and idiotic!!
But hey thats what people expect out of you....

 

[soccerballtux]

If they hadn't paid into a system their entire lives you might have a point. Yet another reason why these "progressive" social programs should be eliminated.

they never paid in enough for any of this, is the thing.

offtopic-
That $7000 SS thread I made, remember that-- told my Liberal friend about it gave him all the data all the numbers, he replies (over text) "I don't know enough about the program management to argue about it so I'm not going to".

I didn't say anything, but there really isn't anything to argue about...heh...numbers are numbers that's the great thing about them....

 

[First]

Numbers are numbers and SS is perfectly sustainable. But that's obvious (and off topic).

 

[soccerballtux]

Numbers are numbers and SS is perfectly sustainable. But that's obvious (and off topic).

lol you did nothing to prove that over in my thread so now you come here to spout your same boring opinion here?

 

[JEDIYoda]

lol you did nothing to prove that over in my thread so now you come here to spout your same boring opinion here?

may be the same boring opinion but its the truth....

 

[soccerballtux]

may be the same boring opinion but its the truth....

so that must be why not one of you was able to post a single piece of alternative evidence that was anywhere near capable of rendering what I said to be even remotely false.

Game set match fellas, this is classic denial of evidence, and subsequent re-assertion of the defendant's weak argument. Trick number 1 in the Liberal playbook. Keep an eye out for it, it's usually a little bit more....covert....than what we've got right here.
Keep it up guys, maybe if you just say the falsehood enough, people will believe it. Hm that sounds familiar....

If you tell a lie long and loud enough, people will eventually believe it

We've got a shitstorm brewing between Social Security and Medicare and these Liberal zealots are telling you "nothing to see here, move along".

Good thing the truth doesn't depend on whether or not we can convince them-- the truth is perfectly happy to move along without their approval.

 

[soccerballtux]

Wonder how much longer until Congress legislates that everyone is required to take Medicare? Could that be ruled unconstitutional? Because if we're doing to the doctors what California is doing to them (and delaying payments for over a year and more, after services have already been rendered)....that's just plain stealing.

 

[StageLeft]

"paid into it for years/entire life" is, of course, an utterly meaningless statement without qualifying exactly what they paid in and what they are getting out.

Seniors hold a position of unreasonable protection in our society right now. Via medicare and SS they are sucking up a great deal of federal income. Sure, they paid into it for a long time, but evidently they didn't pay in enough for long enough. Their group is just like every other: "Cut somebody else's benefits, not ours."

This is why I want to see Greece devolve into a financial apocalypse with people reusing tea bags for their tea and relying on food aid and shot-on-sight Marshall law. Only with a contemporary example will more people internalize properly that government finances the world over (almost) are untenable and need to be fixed and fixing requires pain. We literally push it to our children the longer we wait.

 

[Double Trouble]

"paid into it for years/entire life" is, of course, an utterly meaningless statement without qualifying exactly what they paid in and what they are getting out.

Seniors hold a position of unreasonable protection in our society right now. Via medicare and SS they are sucking up a great deal of federal income. Sure, they paid into it for a long time, but evidently they didn't pay in enough for long enough. Their group is just like every other: "Cut somebody else's benefits, not ours."

Woah there. They were asked to pay in x all those years, and promised to get y in return. If giving them y right now is more expensive or SS is having problems because the idiots in DC raided the stash to pay for general spending, that's not the problem or fault of those people who held up their end of the bargain.

Seniors, unlike a 30 year old, are no longer in a position to make changes in their lives to significantly increase income (like get another degree etc), or make career changes. They are more vulnerable to changes in their financial environment. They paid into the system in good faith, the system should give them what was promised.

Changes should be made to what is being promised and how SS / medicaid etc work for future beneficiaries, not current seniors.

Only with a contemporary example will more people internalize properly that government finances the world over (almost) are untenable and need to be fixed and fixing requires pain. We literally push it to our children the longer we wait.

Agreed. Faced with tough decisions, every politician prefers kicking the can down the road to doing something that might cost him/her a re-election.... and thus we have spending that's out of control.

 

[RoloMather]

Oh boy. More bad news for doctors and seniors. 21% cut in reimbursements even though medicare payouts sucks right now?

Good luck getting a new appointment after Mon.

 

[highland145]

They were asked to pay in x all those years, and promised to get y in return.

All of us have done the same thing. I've paid in for 30 years and have 20 more to go before I can get my "fair share". What a joke. There is no $$ left. That means reduced benefits and/or raised taxes for everyone else.

 

[highland145]

http://news.google.com/news?q=With ...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn

You beat me to it.

A couple of years ago, my G.P.s nurse said they were one of the few in my town that took medicare patients anymore because medicare only paid ~$20 or so for office visits. Anyone in the industry know the facts on this and does your office/group/practice take medicare patients?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh boy. More bad news for doctors and seniors. 21% cut in reimbursements even though medicare payouts sucks right now?

Good luck getting a new appointment after Mon.

Where I work just cut 200 payroll hours per week. We were already understaffed. This ought to be interesting.

Longer waits and less time for consults. We should ask if they want fries with that. People complain that American medicine sucks and the government makes sure it's going to be worse.

Well that last point is no surprise. Some practices are gearing up to dump medicare patients entirely, because they expect to take a loss on each patient.

 

[ebaycj]

Wonder how much longer until Congress legislates that everyone is required to take Medicare? Could that be ruled unconstitutional? Because if we're doing to the doctors what California is doing to them (and delaying payments for over a year and more, after services have already been rendered)....that's just plain stealing.

They don't even have to require it. They just have to make you ELIGIBLE, at which point YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY will dump you.

 

[Mursilis]

Woah there. They were asked to pay in x all those years, and promised to get y in return. If giving them y right now is more expensive or SS is having problems because the idiots in DC raided the stash to pay for general spending, that's not the problem or fault of those people who held up their end of the bargain.

That's not entirely true - they also helped elect some of those same politicians who, as you very accurately put it, "prefer kicking the can down the road to doing something that might cost him/her a re-election.... and thus we have spending that's out of control."

None of this "SS/Medicare will bankrupt us" talk is new - it's been known for 20+ years, but today's seniors are as guilty as any other voting bloc in having elected leaders who ignored the long-term issues and focused only on the short-term. In fact, seniors are even more guilty than younger generations, since they've been voting longer.

 

[ebaycj]

lol you did nothing to prove that over in my thread so now you come here to spout your same boring opinion here?

The problem with your other thread is that your "back of the envelope" calculations that you got so worked up over, weren't anywhere close to anything resembling reality.

 

[Mursilis]

All of us have done the same thing. I've paid in for 30 years and have 20 more to go before I can get my "fair share". What a joke. There is no $$ left. That means reduced benefits and/or raised taxes for everyone else.

Amen to that.

 

[Genx87]

may be the same boring opinion but its the truth....

Sure if we raise the SS tax to 50% of income it is completely sustainable. That is if you consider that a sustainable plan.

 

[DesiPower]

We simply dont have money... SS and MC will soon be just token system of no real worth

 

[soccerballtux]

The problem with your other thread is that your "back of the envelope" calculations that you got so worked up over, weren't anywhere close to anything resembling reality.

The stats are all google-able in <30 seconds. If I'm wrong, prove it. The numbers are truth & reality. There is no reality to you and these naysayers' claims that I'm wrong.