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Senior HS Student expelled over stun gun in her mom's car

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Eli
Under what grounds do they randomly search the cars in the parkinglot with dogs, anyway?! Is that even legal? lol..
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The courts have basicly decided that when you go to a public school you give up all of your rights.
Running drug dogs through a public school's parking lot is not only legal I would bet it happens at most every high school in the country.
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And yet kids are forced to go to school, and therefore forced to give up their rights.

Some people might think I'm whacky for saying this, but I believe that these random searches (and the random drug testings) are how they are training our children for the totalitarianism to come.
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I believe it....

How drug testing became so widely acceptable in the so-called Land of the Free is beyond me.
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You're not allowed to have drugs in school though. They're illegal anyway. What's wrong with a drug search then?

I don't get, however, how a dog detected the gun.

I think it'd be a hard decision. Yeah the girl's senior year is ruined (I doubt her life) but how can they go on her word and not believe someone else who intended to use a weapon with the same plea?
 
A kid I know who also goes there got caught with weed in his car. He only got a 10day suspension.
 
Originally posted by: daniel1113
All I can say is I am glad for the school that they didn't try to pull this on me...

I would of had my lawyer by my side within 10 minutes ready to slap a lawsuit on the Administrator's desk.
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Yea, and you would have lost. The school has a sign posted that your car will be inspected if probable cause is determined. The sign is in clear view and the students know what to expect when they park their cars in the schools parking lot.

There have been countless court cases about this sort of thing and time and time again the student has lost. The school administers have a job to do and the courts usually do not like to interfere. Now if the school administers conducted a full body cavity search then thats another matter, but they were clearly in the right for having the car inspected.
 
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Mark R
Stun guns are most definitely lethal - ask the 40 people the cops have killed with them. There is good reason to believe that they are a particular danger to several groups of people, the elderly, those with illnesses (such as heart disease) and children.
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40 people! Holy cow... that is like... 0.00000001% of the deaths each year in this country. More people die from boredom.
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So.. the school administers have to protect their asses. Say if she would have brought that stun gun into a classroom and 40 became 41?
 
There has to be a lawsuit coming...

No appeals...so called "random" search of cars...I'd like to see how they randomized the cars in the parking lot...sigh. I hope the school district gets sued for billions of dollars.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: daniel1113
All I can say is I am glad for the school that they didn't try to pull this on me...

I would of had my lawyer by my side within 10 minutes ready to slap a lawsuit on the Administrator's desk.
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Yea, and you would have lost. The school has a sign posted that your car will be inspected if probable cause is determined. The sign is in clear view and the students know what to expect when they park their cars in the schools parking lot.

There have been countless court cases about this sort of thing and time and time again the student has lost. The school administers have a job to do and the courts usually do not like to interfere. Now if the school administers conducted a full body cavity search then thats another matter, but they were clearly in the right for having the car inspected.
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So you are defending the school administrators?
 
Originally posted by: FallenHero
There has to be a lawsuit coming...

No appeals...so called "random" search of cars...I'd like to see how they randomized the cars in the parking lot...sigh. I hope the school district gets sued for billions of dollars.
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* Gets out my Public School Law book


Drug-Detecting Canines:


The use of drug-detecting dogs in searches raises a number of controversial questions regarding Fourth Amendment rights. Does the presence of a dog sniffing students constitute a search? Must reasonable suspicion exist to justify the use of dogs? Does the alert of a dog establish reasonable suspicion?
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The Fifth Circuit noted that the use of canines has been viewed as merely enhancing the ability to detect an order, as the use of a flashlight improves vision. Accordingly, the court concluded that sniffing of student lockers and cars in public view was not a search, and therfore the Fourth Amendment did not apply. Although permitting the use of dogs to detect drugs, the court held that reasonable suspicion is required for a further search of a locker or car by school officials, and that such suspicion can be established only on showing that the dogs are reliable in detecting the actual presence of contraband.
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Given the scope of the drug problem in public schools, it seems likely that school districts will continue to consider the use of drug-detecting canine units. Until the Supreme Court addresses whether such a practince constitutes a search in schools or whether a dog alert can establish reasonable grounds for a personal search, different interpretations among lower courts seem dettined to persist.
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School boards are granted considerable latitude in establishing and interpreting their own disciplinary rules and regulations. The Supreme court has held that the interpretation of a school regulation resides with the body that adopted it and is charged with its enforcement.
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So there you have it. You guys failed to notice that the school has a huge sign: look to the right... As long as the school has a sign that is posted that car searches will be conducted at random there is nothing that this student can do. This alone would clear school administers.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Here is that sign: LINK

It's in plain site. Students know what to expect when they park their cars in the schools parking lot.
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That isn't the point.

The point is that it was an accident.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
So.. the school administers have to protect their asses. Say if she would have brought that stun gun into a classroom and 40 became 41?
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The girl didn't even know the stun gun was in the car. It wasn't even her car. If you read the story, she took her mom's car that morning instead of her car because it kept breaking down.

My son will be attending a private school or be home-schooled. Government schools have gotten out of hand.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Mark R
Stun guns are most definitely lethal - ask the 40 people the cops have killed with them. There is good reason to believe that they are a particular danger to several groups of people, the elderly, those with illnesses (such as heart disease) and children.
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40 people! Holy cow... that is like... 0.00000001% of the deaths each year in this country. More people die from boredom.
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So.. the school administers have to protect their asses. Say if she would have brought that stun gun into a classroom and 40 became 41?
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Which is why there needs to be an appeals process and no zero-tolerance law.

This girls life could be ruined because she borrowed the wrong car. It's ridiculous and there's no valid argument you can make otherwise.
 
Holy crap.. that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard ...
She can't appeal? Wow, pile of crap ... (that I want to stuck in that school board members' mouth).
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: tec699
So.. the school administers have to protect their asses. Say if she would have brought that stun gun into a classroom and 40 became 41?
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The girl didn't even know the stun gun was in the car. It wasn't even her car. If you read the story, she took her mom's car that morning instead of her car because it kept breaking down.

My son will be attending a private school or be home-schooled. Government schools have gotten out of hand.
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ummmm.......

random searches are still carried out at private schools and if there was a "dead odor" of marijuana in the car and the cops has reason to believe that something is in their, they will still search it and if they find a stun gun, it still might result in a suspension.


tec: i think the stat of 40 ppl killed, is true, however, it has been proven that most, if not 99% of them were on another sort of drug, which "helped" in their deaths. so yea, i could find a link to the rebuke on Taser's part of the 60 minute episode but im to lazy.

MIKE
 
Can anyone justifie punishing the student for having a stun gun but not punishing students that have cars when it is about a million times more likely that the car would be used in an attack then the stun gun?
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Students should be able to arm themselves while attending school? That?s ridiculous! I wouldn?t want my child sitting next to a student who has a pistol strapped to their waist. Most children at that age are still very immature. Imagine a fight breaking out and without thinking the student pulls out his gun and kills another pupil! I bet it would happen quite regularly. That?s a very bad idea.
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Kindly learn to read. The stun gun was the mother's -- an adult. It was concealed in the mother's car. MarkR was referring to the mother's right to carry the weapon. I defended that right. I do not advocate minors carrying weapons, nor did I say so.
 
where is this place, someone tell me so i can make not to never go there

also someone fidn this schools phone number so peopel can call it and tell them how stupid they are
 
That is so stupid. No appeals process under any circumstances? What were they thinking? Somebody cover a stun gun in double stick tape and throw it at the principal's car just as he rolls into the parking lot. :|

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Eli
Seriously, can you imagine, as a parent? I don't even have kids, and I know I would be so utterly outraged... OMG. I don't know what I would do. I would probably end up going to jail, that's what I would do.. LOL.


Unbelievably outrageous.
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IMO, the lawsuit that WILL result from this will not be frivolous. I hope the school district gets reamed hard enough that they change their assinine ways, and remember that their job is to teach children and nuture them to be their best, and not to babysit and dish out unfair selective punishment.
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Well said. The priorties are so fvcked up in this Country we are The Laughing Stock to the world.

I hope she wins a bundle of money and they have to rename the school after her.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Eli
Seriously, can you imagine, as a parent? I don't even have kids, and I know I would be so utterly outraged... OMG. I don't know what I would do. I would probably end up going to jail, that's what I would do.. LOL.


Unbelievably outrageous.
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IMO, the lawsuit that WILL result from this will not be frivolous. I hope the school district gets reamed hard enough that they change their assinine ways, and remember that their job is to teach children and nuture them to be their best, and not to babysit and dish out unfair selective punishment.
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The problem of course is that if they didn't have this policy, then they would be sued by someone who felt their kid was treated unfairly. This kind of policy is a direct result of people playing the race card, the economic card, and other attempts to blame the punishment on discrimination instead of the fact that there are some kids who are seriously trouble makers. For schools, this is a case where they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
 
That?s a very bad idea.
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Well you are wrong. The way it should be is that when you are born you are given a licience to kill one person and you wear this tag around your neck, as long as you have the tag people would be a whole lot nicer but when you used it up your life would change for the worst.

Bleep
 
Originally posted by: Vic
The school administrators should be hauled out back and shot for what they are doing to the poor girl. They knew all along that they could have let this go with a wink and a nod and a we'll-pretend-this-never-happened.
The lie about "zero tolerance" is that the enforcement is still selective. They chose to enforce it in this case, even knowing that it was cruel and unfair and would be devastating to this young girl's whole life.
I hope karma is a real bitch to those fsckers... :|
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Fscked up this is.. but if this ends up 'davastating' her whole life, then she is a drama queen that was destined for odd things anyway.
 
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