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Senior HS Student expelled over stun gun in her mom's car

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If you home school your kids then how will they be prepared to cope with all the a-holes in the world then?

I got a paperless suspension once in that they told me that if I came back to school for 2 days or if I went to the dance that weekend, I'd be arrested. This time 3 years ago someone used LaserWriter 8 drivers to print via the Mac's Chooser a cartoon of an explosion to the main office. Organizing our high school's LAN Commission and being the highest profile tech out of about a dozen... gossip quickly decided that it was me even though I could prove I was nowhere near a computer that day. Interrogation lasted 8 hours with no lunch from 9:30am when they took me from class onwards. No matter how many times I owned them, they kept accusing me and telling me they had "proof" that it was me and that I should confess.

Thank God I knew more about networking than even the district technology coord and my rights better than they were expecting... or I'd have been F'ed

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF YOUR COUNTRY! DRINK UP and H4X teh PLANET! 😉 :beer:
 
Originally posted by: acemcmac
If you home school your kids then how will they be prepared to cope with all the a-holes in the world then?

I got a paperless suspension once in that they told me that if I came back to school for 2 days or if I went to the dance that weekend, I'd be arrested. This time 3 years ago someone used LaserWriter 8 drivers to print via the Mac's Chooser a cartoon of an explosion to the main office. Organizing our high school's LAN Commission and being the highest profile tech out of about a dozen... gossip quickly decided that it was me even though I could prove I was nowhere near a computer that day. Interrogation lasted 8 hours with no lunch from 9:30am when they took me from class onwards. No matter how many times I owned them, they kept accusing me and telling me they had "proof" that it was me and that I should confess.

Thank God I knew more about networking than even the district technology coord and my rights better than they were expecting... or I'd have been F'ed

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF YOUR COUNTRY! DRINK UP and H4X teh PLANET! 😉 :beer:
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So did you actually get a suspension? And why didn't this get leaked to the press, 'cuz if they'd interrogated me for 8 hours without a break and without a lawyer you can sure as hell bet they would've faced a little press.
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: acemcmac
If you home school your kids then how will they be prepared to cope with all the a-holes in the world then?

I got a paperless suspension once in that they told me that if I came back to school for 2 days or if I went to the dance that weekend, I'd be arrested. This time 3 years ago someone used LaserWriter 8 drivers to print via the Mac's Chooser a cartoon of an explosion to the main office. Organizing our high school's LAN Commission and being the highest profile tech out of about a dozen... gossip quickly decided that it was me even though I could prove I was nowhere near a computer that day. Interrogation lasted 8 hours with no lunch from 9:30am when they took me from class onwards. No matter how many times I owned them, they kept accusing me and telling me they had "proof" that it was me and that I should confess.

Thank God I knew more about networking than even the district technology coord and my rights better than they were expecting... or I'd have been F'ed

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF YOUR COUNTRY! DRINK UP and H4X teh PLANET! 😉 :beer:
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So did you actually get a suspension? And why didn't this get leaked to the press, 'cuz if they'd interrogated me for 8 hours without a break and without a lawyer you can sure as hell bet they would've faced a little press.
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I dunno... It was tenth grade I think.... and it wasnt until half way through that they even mentioned that my parents should prolly be called. I was before the trooper before my parents were there. I guess I really was intimidated by the situation... I was a kid (not to say that I'm not now, but I am a legal adult... I can die for my country but not drink, I can get a morgage, have the boats and the mustang... but I cant go on a cruise ship... work for my food and heat) I'm still new to this game....

Edit: I didnt even mention what the justificaton to hold me was. I got a bag of screws with my most recent new computer.. put 2 advil and 2 excedrin in there for stress headaches and threw that into the bag of wintergreen lifesavers I usually had. They wanted me on a "narcotics charge." I didnt even realized that it was a dime bag for another year.... Oh, and they emptied my locker while I was in the room... brought down my jacket, etc... searched the jacket... produced condoms... put them back in with a wink and said "we wont ask" wtf....
 
The problem is not so much that there is a zero-tolerance policy in the schools, but the fact that it is legal, and considered reasonable, to conceal a deadly offensive weapon in a vehicel at all.
 
in related news, a high school girl recently expelled was seen driving through town in her new Maybach on her way to her new 20,000 square foot mansion paid for by the proceeds of a lawsuit brought against the school district for its zero-tolerance policy.
 
Originally posted by: Mark R
The problem is not so much that there is a zero-tolerance policy in the schools, but the fact that it is legal, and considered reasonable, to conceal a deadly offensive weapon in a vehicel at all.
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A stun gun is not an offensive weapon.
 
Originally posted by: Mark R
The problem is not so much that there is a zero-tolerance policy in the schools, but the fact that it is legal, and considered reasonable, to conceal a deadly offensive weapon in a vehicel at all.
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Idiot. :roll:

First, a stun gun is not a deadly offensive weapon. It's no more lethal than a can of mace or pepper spray, and serves roughly the same defensive purpose.

Second, why should law-abiding citizens not have the right to arm themselves? Do you like crime, favor criminals, and want innocent law-abiding people to be victimized? Because when owning and carrying a weapon is a crime, only criminals will have guns, and the law-abiding will be defenseless.

Simple-minded idiots like yourself who seek to control everyone else with your knee-jerk reactionisms is a good part of all that is wrong in this world. Try thinking for a change.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Police conducted a random search of students' cars and, after a trained drug dog alerted investigators, Amanda was asked to open up her mother's Durango.
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What the crap is up with that for starters?
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exactly. random searches of cars? fvck that! :| if that was my kid there would be a rain of unholy hell upon that school :|
 
Originally posted by: stev0
Originally posted by: yllus
Police conducted a random search of students' cars and, after a trained drug dog alerted investigators, Amanda was asked to open up her mother's Durango.
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What the crap is up with that for starters?
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exactly. random searches of cars? fvck that! :| if that was my kid there would be a rain of unholy hell upon that school :|
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Its legal, see, all they have to do is use a drug dog, then they have probable cause to search the car without a warrant.
 
if i was her friend, i would get the entire graduating class to boycott the graduation and prom. i cant believe the other students arent standing up to this... hell. if she's an honors student, the teachers should back her up too. thats bs. they should take a stun gun to those administrators. fvck you zero tolerance...

on a lighter note, she looks like shrek. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Mark R
The problem is not so much that there is a zero-tolerance policy in the schools, but the fact that it is legal, and considered reasonable, to conceal a deadly offensive weapon in a vehicel at all.
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Idiot. :roll:

First, a stun gun is not a deadly offensive weapon. It's no more lethal than a can of mace or pepper spray, and serves roughly the same defensive purpose.

Second, why should law-abiding citizens not have the right to arm themselves? Do you like crime, favor criminals, and want innocent law-abiding people to be victimized? Because when owning and carrying a weapon is a crime, only criminals will have guns, and the law-abiding will be defenseless.

Simple-minded idiots like yourself who seek to control everyone else with your knee-jerk reactionisms is a good part of all that is wrong in this world. Try thinking for a change.
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Students should be able to arm themselves while attending school? That?s ridiculous! I wouldn?t want my child sitting next to a student who has a pistol strapped to their waist. Most children at that age are still very immature. Imagine a fight breaking out and without thinking the student pulls out his gun and kills another pupil! I bet it would happen quite regularly. That?s a very bad idea.
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: stev0
Originally posted by: yllus
Police conducted a random search of students' cars and, after a trained drug dog alerted investigators, Amanda was asked to open up her mother's Durango.
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What the crap is up with that for starters?
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exactly. random searches of cars? fvck that! :| if that was my kid there would be a rain of unholy hell upon that school :|
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Its legal, see, all they have to do is use a drug dog, then they have probable cause to search the car without a warrant.
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Yes that is true. It has been decided in court that drug sniffing dogs do not constitute a search. They sniff the surrounding area and bark three times if drugs are present. That's all that these dogs do. Once that happens school personal has the right to inspect the student's personal belongings, lockers, cars, etc.. As long as there is probable cause then that's all that they need.
 
it was a stun gun, not lethal, but used for protection, not concealed, located away from the driver in the trunk.

and i believe that a stun gun is most likely legal there.

also, how a dog caught on to that6 car, i have no idea, dogs can only smell drugs, coke and its derivitives, marijuana, meth, etc. however it could have caught on due to dead odor, which would mean that drugs were once there but not ne more.

this is stupid as fvck though.

tec: she wasnt armed in school, it was in her fvcking car!!!!!!!!!!! and the school has every right to randomly do drug raids, it is their property, and when you are on their property they can do what they want.

MIKE
 
My first post was quite tongue-in-cheek, and I do think that the school have over-reacted (a problem with zero-tolerance punishments) nevertheless, I would have thought it perfectly reasonable to take such an incident very seriously.

Expulsion, in my opinion, is quite unreasonable and I would have thought simply being sent home for a day or two would have been sufficient: it would send out a clear message that students need to be responsible for what they bring to school (knowing that there are prohibitions on what they can bring in), and that parents need to be responsible for making sure that weapons cannot fall into the hands of their children, while at the same time not causing the student to lose out on education, or cause the emotional distress of having to change schools.

Think carefully, would you have sympathy with someone arrested at an international airport for bringing in a stun-gun which was packed in their luggage? It's very much the same scenario - its unlikely that the weapon was going to be used, but it was brought into a restricted area - where the rules on prohibited items are made quite clear.


Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
it was a stun gun, not lethal, but used for protection, not concealed, located away from the driver in the trunk.
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Stun guns are most definitely lethal - ask the 40 people the cops have killed with them. There is good reason to believe that they are a particular danger to several groups of people, the elderly, those with illnesses (such as heart disease) and children.

Having the weapon hidden in the trunk certainly satisifes my definition of 'concealed'.
 
no chance for appeal? how can that be legal at all? sue the district in federal district court, i say.
 
Originally posted by: Mark R
My first post was quite tongue-in-cheek, and I do think that the school have over-reacted (a problem with zero-tolerance punishments) nevertheless, I would have thought it perfectly reasonable to take such an incident very seriously.

Expulsion, in my opinion, is quite unreasonable and I would have thought simply being sent home for a day or two would have been sufficient: it would send out a clear message that students need to be responsible for what they bring to school (knowing that there are prohibitions on what they can bring in), and that parents need to be responsible for making sure that weapons cannot fall into the hands of their children, while at the same time not causing the student to lose out on education, or cause the emotional distress of having to change schools.

Think carefully, would you have sympathy with someone arrested at an international airport for bringing in a stun-gun which was packed in their luggage? It's very much the same scenario - its unlikely that the weapon was going to be used, but it was brought into a restricted area - where the rules on prohibited items are made quite clear.


Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
it was a stun gun, not lethal, but used for protection, not concealed, located away from the driver in the trunk.
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Stun guns are most definitely lethal - ask the 40 people the cops have killed with them. There is good reason to believe that they are a particular danger to several groups of people, the elderly, those with illnesses (such as heart disease) and children.

Having the weapon hidden in the trunk certainly satisifes my definition of 'concealed'.
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Ok I think we should have a challege to see who can get the most points. Points will be award on the following scale 3 points per kill and 1 point for any non-leathal injury. You can have the stun gun I will take the car who do you think will win?

Why we let teenagers drive a 2-3 ton car but freak out when they have a weapon orders of magnitude less danagures then a car is complete beyond me.
 
Originally posted by: Mark R
Stun guns are most definitely lethal - ask the 40 people the cops have killed with them. There is good reason to believe that they are a particular danger to several groups of people, the elderly, those with illnesses (such as heart disease) and children.
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40 people! Holy cow... that is like... 0.00000001% of the deaths each year in this country. More people die from boredom.
 
All I can say is I am glad for the school that they didn't try to pull this on me...

I would of had my lawyer by my side within 10 minutes ready to slap a lawsuit on the Administrator's desk.
 
A large problem with the youth situation in this country is that parents are not being accountable for their children! So let the parent be accountable! They should be allowed to shoulder the burden as far as accounting for the actions of kids and coming to a workable agreement with the schools.
 
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