Senators Consider Soda Tax to Help Fund Health Care Overhaul

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ebaycj
<whiny republican voice>"BHO" said that there would be no tax increases for anyone making under 250k.</whiny republican voice>

Obviously he was talking about fucking income tax. give it up already.

EDIT: so obviously due to your clarified quote (bolded above), you were talking about income taxes. I felt you still deserved a response to your "which horse?" question.

wtf does the desire for no raised taxes have to do with being a "republican"?!

Your partisan tone is exactly what is wrong with this country.

Please forgive me for holding Obama accountable for his promises...

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I'd give him a pass...

offffffff course you would... :roll:

So you're happy to be paying twice as much for private insurance as long as those evil taxes don't go up?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ebaycj
<whiny republican voice>"BHO" said that there would be no tax increases for anyone making under 250k.</whiny republican voice>

Obviously he was talking about fucking income tax. give it up already.

EDIT: so obviously due to your clarified quote (bolded above), you were talking about income taxes. I felt you still deserved a response to your "which horse?" question.

wtf does the desire for no raised taxes have to do with being a "republican"?!

Your partisan tone is exactly what is wrong with this country.

Please forgive me for holding Obama accountable for his promises...

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I'd give him a pass...

offffffff course you would... :roll:

So you're happy to be paying twice as much for private insurance as long as those evil taxes don't go up?

tell you what - if my taxes go up more than half the cost of my existing HI and I don't get "free" HC that is as good or better than I have now - will you personally cover the difference?

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ebaycj
<whiny republican voice>"BHO" said that there would be no tax increases for anyone making under 250k.</whiny republican voice>

Obviously he was talking about fucking income tax. give it up already.

EDIT: so obviously due to your clarified quote (bolded above), you were talking about income taxes. I felt you still deserved a response to your "which horse?" question.

wtf does the desire for no raised taxes have to do with being a "republican"?!

Your partisan tone is exactly what is wrong with this country.

Please forgive me for holding Obama accountable for his promises...

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I'd give him a pass...

offffffff course you would... :roll:

So you're happy to be paying twice as much for private insurance as long as those evil taxes don't go up?

tell you what - if my taxes go up more than half the cost of my existing HI and I don't get "free" HC that is as good or better than I have now - will you personally cover the difference?

Not likely, but you can thank me if you lose your job and you don't have to pay for fucking COBRA.

 

[Genx87]

You dont have to pay for COBRA anyways. I got laid off in 2002 and Blue Cross Blue Shield had a plan for 105 a month with a 500 deductible. My COBRA option was 490\month.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Genx87
You dont have to pay for COBRA anyways. I got laid off in 2002 and Blue Cross Blue Shield had a plan for 105 a month with a 500 deductible. My COBRA option was 490\month.

Must be nice to be single, young, and healthy.... private insurance LOVES you guys.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87
You dont have to pay for COBRA anyways. I got laid off in 2002 and Blue Cross Blue Shield had a plan for 105 a month with a 500 deductible. My COBRA option was 490\month.

Must be nice to be single, young, and healthy.... private insurance LOVES you guys.

You think the ratio changes now that I am married? Instead of 105 I pay 210 and instead of 490 it is 900\month. COBRA is laughably stupid.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87
You dont have to pay for COBRA anyways. I got laid off in 2002 and Blue Cross Blue Shield had a plan for 105 a month with a 500 deductible. My COBRA option was 490\month.

Must be nice to be single, young, and healthy.... private insurance LOVES you guys.

You think the ratio changes now that I am married? Instead of 105 I pay 210 and instead of 490 it is 900\month. COBRA is laughably stupid.

Add a kid or two. Does your private insurance cover childbirth? Does it cover pregnancy complications? Does it cover well baby visits? Immunizations? What if your kid has some sort of problem?

Its easy when you're young and childless. Add a bunch of kids (family values??) and it starts to cost a lot.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ebaycj
<whiny republican voice>"BHO" said that there would be no tax increases for anyone making under 250k.</whiny republican voice>

Obviously he was talking about fucking income tax. give it up already.

EDIT: so obviously due to your clarified quote (bolded above), you were talking about income taxes. I felt you still deserved a response to your "which horse?" question.

wtf does the desire for no raised taxes have to do with being a "republican"?!

Your partisan tone is exactly what is wrong with this country.

Please forgive me for holding Obama accountable for his promises...

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I'd give him a pass...

offffffff course you would... :roll:

So you're happy to be paying twice as much for private insurance as long as those evil taxes don't go up?

tell you what - if my taxes go up more than half the cost of my existing HI and I don't get "free" HC that is as good or better than I have now - will you personally cover the difference?

Not likely, but you can thank me if you lose your job and you don't have to pay for fucking COBRA.

Figures, you people keep trying to claim it'll be cheaper or won't cost as much - yet clearly you don't believe that if you won't pony up the difference when it costs me more.

Sure, COBRA sucks but it's not supposed to be used as a long term thing anyway, it's a bridge. IF I were to ever lose my job (have twice) I'd do what I needed to do to provide for my family. Hell, I've worked shit jobs just to pay the bills and I'd do so again if the need arose.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ebaycj
<whiny republican voice>"BHO" said that there would be no tax increases for anyone making under 250k.</whiny republican voice>

Obviously he was talking about fucking income tax. give it up already.

EDIT: so obviously due to your clarified quote (bolded above), you were talking about income taxes. I felt you still deserved a response to your "which horse?" question.

wtf does the desire for no raised taxes have to do with being a "republican"?!

Your partisan tone is exactly what is wrong with this country.

Please forgive me for holding Obama accountable for his promises...

Originally posted by: SammyJr
I'd give him a pass...

offffffff course you would... :roll:

So you're happy to be paying twice as much for private insurance as long as those evil taxes don't go up?

How much do you believe a comprehensive UHC plan will cost the average family in increased taxes per year or per month?

Just curious...

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87
You dont have to pay for COBRA anyways. I got laid off in 2002 and Blue Cross Blue Shield had a plan for 105 a month with a 500 deductible. My COBRA option was 490\month.

Must be nice to be single, young, and healthy.... private insurance LOVES you guys.

You think the ratio changes now that I am married? Instead of 105 I pay 210 and instead of 490 it is 900\month. COBRA is laughably stupid.

Add a kid or two. Does your private insurance cover childbirth? Does it cover pregnancy complications? Does it cover well baby visits? Immunizations? What if your kid has some sort of problem?

Its easy when you're young and childless. Add a bunch of kids (family values??) and it starts to cost a lot.

You are digging, keep trying. COBRA is a terrible program. Much cheaper alternatives out there.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87
You dont have to pay for COBRA anyways. I got laid off in 2002 and Blue Cross Blue Shield had a plan for 105 a month with a 500 deductible. My COBRA option was 490\month.

Must be nice to be single, young, and healthy.... private insurance LOVES you guys.

You think the ratio changes now that I am married? Instead of 105 I pay 210 and instead of 490 it is 900\month. COBRA is laughably stupid.

Add a kid or two. Does your private insurance cover childbirth? Does it cover pregnancy complications? Does it cover well baby visits? Immunizations? What if your kid has some sort of problem?

Its easy when you're young and childless. Add a bunch of kids (family values??) and it starts to cost a lot.

You are digging, keep trying. COBRA is a terrible program. Much cheaper alternatives out there.

Preexisting conditions? COBRA is the only way to maintain that coverage.

Have you actually looked into private health insurance that provides the level of coverage of a typical group policy?

Try to imagine a life where you don't have perfect health or perfect credit or no dependents. Then run your numbers again.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Preexisting conditions? COBRA is the only way to maintain that coverage.

Have you actually looked into private health insurance that provides the level of coverage of a typical group policy?

Try to imagine a life where you don't have perfect health or perfect credit or no dependents. Then run your numbers again.

Yes and I determined there is no need to have a 15 dollar copay and no deductible. It is no surprise how much cheaper health insurance gets when you make it more catastrophic in nature instead of a daily buffet service.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Absolute utter bullshit.

This.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Preexisting conditions? COBRA is the only way to maintain that coverage.

Have you actually looked into private health insurance that provides the level of coverage of a typical group policy?

Try to imagine a life where you don't have perfect health or perfect credit or no dependents. Then run your numbers again.

Yes and I determined there is no need to have a 15 dollar copay and no deductible. It is no surprise how much cheaper health insurance gets when you make it more catastrophic in nature instead of a daily buffet service.

Glad you have $50+ per visit for well baby visits. Most don't. See if you feel the same way when you have to buy diapers and pay for preschool. All of these things add up.

And what about that preexisting condition?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Preexisting conditions? COBRA is the only way to maintain that coverage.

Have you actually looked into private health insurance that provides the level of coverage of a typical group policy?

Try to imagine a life where you don't have perfect health or perfect credit or no dependents. Then run your numbers again.

Yes and I determined there is no need to have a 15 dollar copay and no deductible. It is no surprise how much cheaper health insurance gets when you make it more catastrophic in nature instead of a daily buffet service.

Glad you have $50+ per visit for well baby visits. Most don't. See if you feel the same way when you have to buy diapers and pay for preschool. All of these things add up.

So I spend more on a visit instead of giving it to an insurance company whoopie do?

And what about that preexisting condition?

What about them? You going to cherry pick the perfect situation in some vane attempt to win this argument? In MN we have MinnCare which is a state run health insurance program. It is also very spendy but they take pre-existing conditions.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Preexisting conditions? COBRA is the only way to maintain that coverage.

Have you actually looked into private health insurance that provides the level of coverage of a typical group policy?

Try to imagine a life where you don't have perfect health or perfect credit or no dependents. Then run your numbers again.

Yes and I determined there is no need to have a 15 dollar copay and no deductible. It is no surprise how much cheaper health insurance gets when you make it more catastrophic in nature instead of a daily buffet service.

Glad you have $50+ per visit for well baby visits. Most don't. See if you feel the same way when you have to buy diapers and pay for preschool. All of these things add up.

And what about that preexisting condition?

One thing I fail to understand is how people have an issue paying $50 to go to the doctor but have no problem paying $50 to go to a concert. Actually $50 for a concert is probably for a crappy artist these days.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Preexisting conditions? COBRA is the only way to maintain that coverage.

Have you actually looked into private health insurance that provides the level of coverage of a typical group policy?

Try to imagine a life where you don't have perfect health or perfect credit or no dependents. Then run your numbers again.

Yes and I determined there is no need to have a 15 dollar copay and no deductible. It is no surprise how much cheaper health insurance gets when you make it more catastrophic in nature instead of a daily buffet service.

Glad you have $50+ per visit for well baby visits. Most don't. See if you feel the same way when you have to buy diapers and pay for preschool. All of these things add up.

And what about that preexisting condition?

One thing I fail to understand is how people have an issue paying $50 to go to the doctor but have no problem paying $50 to go to a concert. Actually $50 for a concert is probably for a crappy artist these days.

not to mention $100 a month for cell phones and another $100 a month for cable tv... those true necessities are expensive...

 

[piasabird]

If you had to pay for the same insurance you get at work, it would be like $1200.00. For a family it would probably be $2,000.00. There are different kinds of insurance. Look at the price of the average CAT scan??? $1,200.00 - $2,000.00?

$50.00 for a doctors visit is a joke. The real pain comes when you need some actual medical attention.

Just think Broken Bone, Emergency Appendectomy, treatment for Kidney Stones, Disease like MS, Aids or Diabetes.

Who knows what a Heart Bypass or a Kidney transplant would run? $120,000.00???

Take a chance and you might be dead.

 

[Hacp]

Now I am conflicted. This is good only if the tax offsets another tax, like the capital gains tax. If its a tax just for the sake of increasing government, I'm against it. However, if it helps relieve the burden of investment in the US by reducing capital gains, I'm all for it. People get fat drinking soda, and those buggers increase health care costs for all of us.

 

[trooper11]

So basically this conversation has come down to either paying money for private insurance or paying money for government run insurance.

UHC isnt free, so, to me, it comes down to my trust in the government running a massive program like UHC at the same level of quality that can be obtained now.

And if I work fulltime, most jobs will offer benefits at very reasonable rates.

As much as it might put me at risk, Im not going to ask the government to pay for my health care (IE everyone paying for it) when there are plenty of oppurtunities out there for me to pay for.

To be honest, if the economy were better and jobs were plentiful, few people would be complaining becuase the expense would be much less. So there are many ways to improve health care coverage without directly overhauling the system itself.

But taxing foods isnt the answer. that will not convince Americans to change anything, its just going to piss them off.... if you dont like that someone overweight is getting benefits through this UHC system proposed, then why not just ban anyone that you deem a 'drag' on the system from participating? They can still get all the private care they want.

Let me put ti this way, what is so different between private health insurance companies minimizing 'high risk' customers and government run UHC minimizing 'high risk' customer through taxes on 'unhealthy' products? Sounds like the same BS to me, just under a different name.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: SammyJr
So you're happy to be paying twice as much for private insurance as long as those evil taxes don't go up?

How much do you believe a comprehensive UHC plan will cost the average family in increased taxes per year or per month?

Just curious...

*crickets*