Senators Consider Soda Tax to Help Fund Health Care Overhaul

Specop 007

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And so it begins. Smoking is bad, tax the hell out of it. Soda is bad, tax the hell out of it. Once they have curbed use of "bad" products through taxes they will then pass laws against certain other foods.

I cant wait to get me some of that government run health care......

Course the way Obummer is spending I cant see UHC lasting long....

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Senators Consider Soda Tax to Help Fund Health Care Overhaul

Senate leaders are considering new federal taxes on soda and other sugary drinks to help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

The taxes would pay for only a fraction of the cost to expand health-insurance coverage to all Americans and would face strong opposition from the beverage industry. They also could spark a backlash from consumers who would have to pay several cents more for a soft drink.

On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee is set to hear proposals from about a dozen experts about how to pay for the comprehensive health-care overhaul that President Barack Obama wants to enact this year. Early estimates put the cost of the plan at around $1.2 trillion. The administration has so far only earmarked funds for about half of that amount.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington-based watchdog group that pressures food companies to make healthier products, plans to propose a federal excise tax on soda, certain fruit drinks, energy drinks, sports drinks and ready-to-drink teas. It would not include most diet beverages. Excise taxes are levied on goods and manufacturers typically pass them on to consumers.

Senior staff members for some Democratic senators at the center of the effort to craft health-care legislation are weighing the idea behind closed doors, Senate aides said.

The Congressional Budget Office, which is providing lawmakers with cost estimates for each potential change in the health overhaul, included the option in a broad report on health-system financing in December. The office estimated that adding a tax of three cents per 12-ounce serving to these types of sweetened drinks would generate $24 billion over the next four years.

So far, lawmakers have not indicated how big a tax they are considering.

Proponents of the tax cite research showing that consuming sugar-sweetened drinks can lead to obesity, diabetes and other ailments. They say the tax would lower consumption, reduce health problems and save medical costs. At least a dozen states already have some type of taxes on sugary beverages, said Michael Jacobson, executive director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
 

bobsmith1492

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The thing is that drinking soda does NOT hurt you.

Drinking a gallon a day will be unhealthy, sure. However, this proposition hurts everyone, including those who only have a can now-and-then.

I disagree with your comparison to tobacco, though, Specop. Tobacco is proven to cause many forms of cancer and other ailments regardless of the quantity, PLUS it is not food.
 

SammyJr

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As someone who goes through a 24 pack of Mountain Dew a week, I think this is a fine idea. Soda isn't exactly good for your health.

I would also like to see increased taxes on heavily processed foods to subsidize fresh fruits, veggies, and meats. Its a shame and a costly burden that eating healthy costs so much more than eating garbage.
 

Fingolfin269

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I guess it's time to hide on a soda delivery truck and start tossing out cargo as it drives down the interstate.
 

ayabe

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If they include metro drinks like Red Bull, etc then I'm all for it.

The money has to come from somewhere and gee I'm not all that impressed with the 1.2 trillion dollars savings from the oh so generous HMO's. Yeah sure we're only raising your premiums 12% this year instead of 15%....awesome.
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: SammyJr
As someone who goes through a 24 pack of Mountain Dew a week, I think this is a fine idea. Soda isn't exactly good for your health.

I would also like to see increased taxes on heavily processed foods to subsidize fresh fruits, veggies, and meats. Its a shame and a costly burden that eating healthy costs so much more than eating garbage.

Hrmm... so you're for MORE taxes? Really?
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: SammyJr
As someone who goes through a 24 pack of Mountain Dew a week, I think this is a fine idea. Soda isn't exactly good for your health.

I would also like to see increased taxes on heavily processed foods to subsidize fresh fruits, veggies, and meats. Its a shame and a costly burden that eating healthy costs so much more than eating garbage.

Hrmm... so you're for MORE taxes? Really?

Yes, but only if I get something useful in return - health care, cheaper healthy foods, etc.
 

Blackjack200

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I don't agree with any of this excise "sin tax" bullshit. It's ultimately a way to otherize people. If you think a substance (fructose, apparently, in this case) is that bad, ban it or control it. I once read in a magazine (can't remember which) that scientists have problems getting funding for lung cancer research because of the stigma of lung cancer patients as culpable for their own disease. Disgusting.
 

Thump553

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The hard cold fact is that the behaviors that "sin taxes" address directly drive up the cost of health care. To me it's a no-brainer to have sin taxes pay for health care. Makes a lot more sense than having them go into general revenues as most states do.

And for those that don't consider soda "sin" consider this: Back in the 60's when I was growing up the average size of a soda was about seven ounces-it's now pushing 20. Thera are roughly TEN teaspoons of sugar in a 12 oz. can. Frankly we Americans have horrible eating habits. I saw a while back a chart of the sources for average percentage of calories we Americans eat. Soda was in the top five and the only thing near a vegatable in the top ten was french fries.

 

Genx87

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Heh I was just talking about this in the smoking thread. Go figure, the govt is now going to regulate your sugar intake. They also had people briefing congress about salt intake on Monday.

 

cubby1223

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We all laughed at the future depicted in the movie Demolition Man, but dang it if the "liberals" are making it a reality.
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh I was just talking about this in the smoking thread. Go figure, the govt is now going to regulate your sugar intake. They also had people briefing congress about salt intake on Monday.

Eat as much junk as you want, but don't expect society to pick up the costs of your bad habits.
 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: Thump553
The hard cold fact is that the behaviors that "sin taxes" address directly drive up the cost of health care. To me it's a no-brainer to have sin taxes pay for health care. Makes a lot more sense than having them go into general revenues as most states do.

And for those that don't consider soda "sin" consider this: Back in the 60's when I was growing up the average size of a soda was about seven ounces-it's now pushing 20. Thera are roughly TEN teaspoons of sugar in a 12 oz. can. Frankly we Americans have horrible eating habits. I saw a while back a chart of the sources for average percentage of calories we Americans eat. Soda was in the top five and the only thing near a vegatable in the top ten was french fries.

I agree that consumption of cigarettes and soda both impact the cost of health care. But so does other behavior, including drinking alcohol, driving cars, and reproduction. If you wanted to be fair you would have to look at all those behaviors and fold the health-care costs into them as well.

I also agree with you about soda btw, terrible stuff. But last I read obesity is becoming a problem almost everywhere that people can afford more food than they need. To me it goes beyond a few individuals making irresponsible choices. It's pathology, and you don't charge a sick patient for his illness.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh I was just talking about this in the smoking thread. Go figure, the govt is now going to regulate your sugar intake. They also had people briefing congress about salt intake on Monday.

Eat as much junk as you want, but don't expect society to pick up the costs of your bad habits.

I wouldnt expect them to, why would you?
 

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Im sorry but this is starting to get rediculous.

My government needs to stay out of my food choices.

This would be just one step in shaping what we eat to go along with choosing what we drive, what we live in, bla bla bla.


I dont agree with the extreme spending for the new health care plan anyway, so of course Im not going to be in favor of raising taxes to do it. If they really want to spend all this money, then find a way to do it without taking more from us.
 

cubeless

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sweet tea taxed? unsweetened not?

no more sugar on the table at restaurants? it'll be in a dispenser so the tax can be collected?

got to lose the salt shaker, too...
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh I was just talking about this in the smoking thread. Go figure, the govt is now going to regulate your sugar intake. They also had people briefing congress about salt intake on Monday.

Eat as much junk as you want, but don't expect society to pick up the costs of your bad habits.

I wouldnt expect them to, why would you?

But you do. Look at your group insurance policy. You're paying the same rate as that fat fuck who eats McDonald's for lunch every day. In a universal health care scenario, that fat fuck would be paying a McDonald's/fast food tax to pay for his quadruple bypass at age 40.