Senator Kennedy 'flip-flops' on Kerry Law

[Pens1566]

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Nothing on P&N is "educational" ....

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
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Nothing on P&N is "educational" ....

... nor nonpartisan.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Patranus
So back in 2004 Senator Kennedy lobbied the state legislature and got the law changed in Massachusetts to take away the power of then governor Romney to appoint a temporary senator if Kerry had won the presidential election.

Fast forward 5 years....

Now Kennedy wants the law changed back to allow the governor to appoint his replacement because he has brain cancer and will step down shortly.

Change you can believe in!

EDIT: For the lazy among ushttp://www.boston.com/news/loc...illing_of_senate_seat/

As if you think we should take you at your word??? Now that is funny!!!

Thx for the link!!@

 

[Lemon law]

Personally, I see this less as a hypocritical issue than a matter of timing pragmatism. IF Ted Kennedy dies before its passed, its five months before an election can be held just to fill the last few remaining months of his term, and then another election must be held in 11/2010. And if Ted Kennedy is still alive when the ball drops announcing 1/1/2010, it really becomes bad timing.

Even in 2004, the amount of partisan rancor was not as high as it is now, and since Teddy Kennedy is likely to die fairly soon. It seems pointless to deprive Massachusetts of the two Senate votes it should have to be effective.

But at the end of the day, Ted Kennedy can request to his hearts content, the deciders are at the State legislative and governor level and they can choose to grant or not grant the request. And if the GOP decides to oppose it simply as a delaying tactic, they too win some of the hypocrisy.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even in 2004, the amount of partisan rancor was not as high as it is now, and since Teddy Kennedy is likely to die fairly soon. It seems pointless to deprive Massachusetts of the two Senate votes it should have to be effective.

It would only be because of his own doing. Not only that, wouldn't Massachuetts been deprived of a representative if Kerry would have won the presidential election?

Not really sure if that excuse flies.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even in 2004, the amount of partisan rancor was not as high as it is now, and since Teddy Kennedy is likely to die fairly soon. It seems pointless to deprive Massachusetts of the two Senate votes it should have to be effective.

It would only be because of his own doing. Not only that, wouldn't Massachuetts been deprived of a representative if Kerry would have won the presidential election?

Not really sure if that excuse flies.

There's no requirement that he relinquish his seat upon winning is there?

 

[Budmantom]

He is a liberal, it's not like anyone will think less of him because of this shameless act.

This is the Democratic party we are talking about, set the standards low and not meet those standards.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He is a liberal, it's not like anyone will think less of him because of this shameless act.

This is the Democratic party we are talking about, set the standards low and not meet those standards.

sort of like the quality of your posts....

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He is a liberal, it's not like anyone will think less of him because of this shameless act.

This is the Democratic party we are talking about, set the standards low and not meet those standards.

sort of like the quality of your posts....

actually more like you

 

[DaveSimmons]

Can't we all just get along?

Democrats:
- flip-flop
- free health care without spending cuts
- don't change as much from Bush as promised
- want to take all your monies and hand you over to death panels

Republicans
- flip-flop
- tax cuts for the rich without spending cuts
- pile up American dead in Iraq
- have lots of adulterous gay sex

Neither side is that great.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He is a liberal, it's not like anyone will think less of him because of this shameless act.

This is the Democratic party we are talking about, set the standards low and not meet those standards.

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I can remember when the GOP changed the rules to allow indicted congressional figures like Tom Delay serve in the GOP leadership.

So at best, budmantom is the black kettle calling the other side black.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Can't we all just get along?

Democrats:
- flip-flop
- free health care without spending cuts
- don't change as much from Bush as promised
- want to take all your monies and hand you over to death panels

Republicans
- flip-flop
- tax cuts for the rich without spending cuts
- pile up American dead in Iraq
- have lots of adulterous gay sex

Neither side is that great.

Excellent synopsis. Well done.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He is a liberal, it's not like anyone will think less of him because of this shameless act.

This is the Democratic party we are talking about, set the standards low and not meet those standards.

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I can remember when the GOP changed the rules to allow indicted congressional figures like Tom Delay serve in the GOP leadership.

So at best, budmantom is the black kettle calling the other side black.

I'm sure the Dems don't have such rules.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Please just die Sen. Kennedy. You will not be missed.

Well rest assured he will and so will you.

We all will when our time.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Please just die Sen. Kennedy. You will not be missed.

You're a real class act.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
That is hypocritical of him.

> Change you can believe in!

Mission Accomplished!

Bring it on!

I'm the decider!

Read my lips!

Random slogan!!!

"there you go again" is the lie you're missing

 

[alphatarget1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Craig234
I think hypocrisy is too strong a word. Politics, yes.

There's no deep democratic principle clearly involved here to how the replacement is chosen. It's not free speech or Habeus Corpus or freedom from torture.

This is a politician changing the rules in an area the rules can changeto try to get his side in power.

Now, if Kennedy in 2004 based his position on a claim to principles he's now violating, then yoiu have a case for hypocrisy.

But from the OP, it's about the same as a candidate who wants debates when they'll help him and doesn't when they won't, just politics.

The *context* is not hypocritical, insofar as Kennedy viewing a Democrat getting the seat as having moral benefits, as long as he doesn't go too far to violate democracy.

Now, speaking of hypocrisy, did you condemn (I'll bet not) or will you condemn, say, the Republican power grab the way the Republicans did an unprecedented between-census change to the districting in Texas in order to get more Republicans in Congress, among schemes they did in several states?

While the gerrymandering is always a crass political act, they took it to new levels. Will you condemn *their* actions to grab power too, or only if it involves a democrat?

If you want strict hypocrisy, then condemn their rules changes on the judicial nomination process to hurt Clinton - and then reversing the changes to help Bush.

What do you give us - consistency or a concert by they Hypocrisy Crickets?

Good post. Its all a bunch of bullshit and we should all be upset when they pull crap like that. Unfortunately, the only time we actually think its wrong is when the other side is doing it.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Patranus
So back in 2004 Senator Kennedy lobbied the state legislature and got the law changed in Massachusetts to take away the power of then governor Romney to appoint a temporary senator if Kerry had won the presidential election.

Fast forward 5 years....

Now Kennedy wants the law changed back to allow the governor to appoint his replacement because he has brain cancer and will step down shortly.

Change you can believe in!

EDIT: For the lazy among us
http://www.boston.com/news/loc...illing_of_senate_seat/

Is it possible that the fact he is dying could cause him to change his mind on this issue?

 

[MovingTarget]

Name one Senator in Kennedy's position, both now and in 2004, that would do the exact same thing. If my state elected another Democratic governor and Jeff Sessions were diagnosed with Leukemia, you bet your ass he would do everything possible to ensure that another Republican is appointed in his stead. I don't think we have the problem of a gap as our governor can appoint temporary replacements, but you get the idea. (and no, I'm not linking to that replacement clause. Our constitution sucks donkey balls by being the most convoluted tl;dr pos from sea to shining sea)

 

[EagleKeeper]

the constitutions (Fed & state) were initially designed by people who were attempting to implement honorable politics.

Since, then especially at the state level, politics for self serving short sighted has become the norm for changes.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Please just die Sen. Kennedy. You will not be missed.

"I'm an a-hole" post of the day ...

You didn't see this coming after the Novak thread? Please link us to your objections there.

Now all that's missing is that liberals need to start shrieking about how the moderators are biased.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

Shhh.... libs don't like his murderous past being brought up...

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

Shhh.... libs don't like his murderous past being brought up...

He has been a MA Senator since 1962. Nationally, he unsuccessfully ran for the Democratic POTUS nomination at least once.

I think you replace "libs" with Massachusetts' citizens.

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Patranus
So back in 2004 Senator Kennedy lobbied the state legislature and got the law changed in Massachusetts to take away the power of then governor Romney to appoint a temporary senator if Kerry had won the presidential election.

Fast forward 5 years....

Now Kennedy wants the law changed back to allow the governor to appoint his replacement because he has brain cancer and will step down shortly.

Change you can believe in!

EDIT: For the lazy among ushttp://www.boston.com/news/loc...illing_of_senate_seat/

As if you think we should take you at your word??? Now that is funny!!!

Thx for the link!!@

Jedi, please do yourself a favor and look over this helpful guide. Pay close attention to this part:

"4. Multiple Punctuation Marks

Unless you want to sound like an overly emotional teenager writing on MySpace, you should limit yourself to one exclamation point, regardless of how excited you might be when writing that sentence. The same applies to question marks and to the ellipsis (which should have only three dots). Also, keep in mind that exclamation points are not used that frequently in business and formal writing. If your text is loaded with them, you probably should review it."