Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA)

[LTC8K6]

Yes, this shows him to be duplicitous. I was not a fan of Specter before, and I'm not now.

Duplicitous indeed. I can't see how anyone would want such a person in their party. Can't tell what he will do at all. Can't rely on his word at all.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: loki8481
this means the D's have a filibuster proof majority.

Eh, they already had it with Arlen.

This doesn't change much.

BS. He voted plenty with the right - including for the terrible Supreme Court appointees Alito and Roberts.

Which quite a few democrats voted for in general.

While half the Democrats, sadly, voted for Roberts - I opposed both of them - only four Democrats voted for Alito.

More relevantly, though, EskimoSpy posted info on his record that he voted with Republicans 70% of the time. That's not a Democrat.

Edit: Eskimo posted first.

Didnt Obama vote with Bush about 70% of the time?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Didnt Obama vote with Bush about 70% of the time?

Well yes, but he voted against Bush 435% of the time, so it kinda averaged out.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
He was already a Democrat in every way, shape and form except for name. Now, he's just made it official.

Maybe he'll take his liberal "Republican" buddy McCain with him. We can only hope.

The GOP have to be hoping that Mr Obama crashes and burns. Otherwise, they will remain a regional party of the South.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: loki8481
this means the D's have a filibuster proof majority.

Eh, they already had it with Arlen.

This doesn't change much.

BS. He voted plenty with the right - including for the terrible Supreme Court appointees Alito and Roberts.

Which quite a few democrats voted for in general.

While half the Democrats, sadly, voted for Roberts - I opposed both of them - only four Democrats voted for Alito.

More relevantly, though, EskimoSpy posted info on his record that he voted with Republicans 70% of the time. That's not a Democrat.

Edit: Eskimo posted first.

Didnt Obama vote with Bush about 70% of the time?

No, Obama voted with Bush approximately 40% of the time. When the GOP was setting the agenda in Congress, Obama only voted with him about 30% of the time. 70% of the time with Republicans for Specter fits perfectly with the idea of Specter being a moderate Republican.

I lived in PA for almost 20 years, with almost every single one of them being while Specter was a Senator. This whole idea that he's just been a Democrat the whole time is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: loki8481
this means the D's have a filibuster proof majority.

Eh, they already had it with Arlen.

This doesn't change much.

BS. He voted plenty with the right - including for the terrible Supreme Court appointees Alito and Roberts.

Which quite a few democrats voted for in general.

While half the Democrats, sadly, voted for Roberts - I opposed both of them - only four Democrats voted for Alito.

More relevantly, though, EskimoSpy posted info on his record that he voted with Republicans 70% of the time. That's not a Democrat.

Edit: Eskimo posted first.

Didnt Obama vote with Bush about 70% of the time?

No, Obama voted with Bush approximately 40% of the time. When the GOP was setting the agenda in Congress, Obama only voted with him about 30% of the time. 70% of the time with Republicans for Specter fits perfectly with the idea of Specter being a moderate Republican.

I lived in PA for almost 20 years, with almost every single one of them being while Specter was a Senator. This whole idea that he's just been a Democrat the whole time is absolutely ridiculous.

/facepalm

Got any numbers to back up your claims? Or are they more "thin-air" facts?

Who uttered this quote?

"In the course of the last several months ... I have traveled the state and surveyed the sentiments of the Republican Party in Pennsylvania and public opinion polls, observed other public opinion polls and have found that the prospects for winning a Republican primary are bleak."

That would be...Arlen Specter! He is such a good Republican, he knew he was going to get whipped in the primary so he abandoned ship!

Quoted from the "reputable" CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...arty.switch/index.html

Still no responses to the fact that Specter's approval ratings are abysmal...they are Chris Dodd levels of low...20s and 30s. A fact conveniently ignored by the left. Also ignored by the left is the fact that Specter himself has admitted that he stood no chance of winning the Republican primary.

Nope, Specter has seen the light! What a stand up guy! The GOP is dead! Specter was a good Republican!

:roll:

Facts > Liberal propaganda, every time.

 

[Lemon law]

Much of this thread is backbiting about a past that can't be changed with big dose of sour grapes thrown in at no extra charge.

In the end, I prefer to hope that it changes the GOP for the better.

Its is certainly going to change the filibuster use in the Senate, and now implies that the GOP will have to sell their ideas to more right wing democrats.

 

[LTC8K6]

He switched to keep his job. Plain and simple. He knew he was doomed in the primary and he had no problem saying so:

"It has become clear to me that the stimulus vote caused a schism which makes our differences irreconcilable. On this state of the record, I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate."

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

No, Obama voted with Bush approximately 40% of the time. When the GOP was setting the agenda in Congress, Obama only voted with him about 30% of the time. 70% of the time with Republicans for Specter fits perfectly with the idea of Specter being a moderate Republican.

I lived in PA for almost 20 years, with almost every single one of them being while Specter was a Senator. This whole idea that he's just been a Democrat the whole time is absolutely ridiculous.

/facepalm

Got any numbers to back up your claims? Or are they more "thin-air" facts?

Who uttered this quote?

"In the course of the last several months ... I have traveled the state and surveyed the sentiments of the Republican Party in Pennsylvania and public opinion polls, observed other public opinion polls and have found that the prospects for winning a Republican primary are bleak."

That would be...Arlen Specter! He is such a good Republican, he knew he was going to get whipped in the primary so he abandoned ship!

Quoted from the "reputable" CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...arty.switch/index.html

Still no responses to the fact that Specter's approval ratings are abysmal...they are Chris Dodd levels of low...20s and 30s. A fact conveniently ignored by the left. Also ignored by the left is the fact that Specter himself has admitted that he stood no chance of winning the Republican primary.

Nope, Specter has seen the light! What a stand up guy! The GOP is dead! Specter was a good Republican!

:roll:

Facts > Liberal propaganda, every time.

Haha, facepalm indeed.

Of course this was a political calculation on Specter's part, that's my whole point, genius. He was never some Democrat in Republican's clothing, he just wasn't crazily to the right. That's why he would have lost the Republican primary, but it's also why he'll probably crush Toomey in the general election.

The rest of your post seems to be unrelated ranting and frothing.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Facts > Liberal propaganda, every time.

any opinion on where facts stand with regard to conservative propaganda?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Facts > Liberal propaganda, every time.

any opinion on where facts stand with regard to conservative propaganda?

I can already tell he's going to be one of those, if you know what I mean.

*sigh*

 

[Hacp]

Wait, so you're telling me that in the 2010 election, the senator from Pennsylvania is either going to be a moderate Republican or a real Republican? It looks like the democrats got duped again!

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Wait, so you're telling me that in the 2010 election, the senator from Pennsylvania is either going to be a moderate Republican or a real Republican? It looks like the democrats got duped again!

Very likely he has to bargain something major to put off a primary fight from the left. Healthcare, for example. If Democrats got healthcare passed that is worth a moderate Republican in the Senate. If Specter doesn't do anything for them, I imagine he'll get kicked off the Democratic ticket.

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else, its possible to assert that conservative propaganda quit selling about the same time when conservative results flopped.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Wait, so you're telling me that in the 2010 election, the senator from Pennsylvania is either going to be a moderate Republican or a real Republican? It looks like the democrats got duped again!

Uh, no.

Unless another Republican gets nominated, Pat Toomey doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating Specter in a general election with Specter running as a Democrat. For that matter, if someone other than Specter wins the Democratic nomination, the Democrat is extremely likely to beat Toomey in the general election. Right now Democrats can basically threaten to actually support someone else in the Democratic primary is Specter doesn't vote with the Democrats enough. (Due to Pennsylvania election rules, Specter doesn't have the option of running as a independant like Lieberman did if he loses the primary and is just of out office at the end of his term.)

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Hacp
Wait, so you're telling me that in the 2010 election, the senator from Pennsylvania is either going to be a moderate Republican or a real Republican? It looks like the democrats got duped again!

Uh, no.

Unless another Republican gets nominated, Pat Toomey doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating Specter in a general election with Specter running as a Democrat. For that matter, if someone other than Specter wins the Democratic nomination, the Democrat is extremely likely to beat Toomey in the general election. Right now Democrats can basically threaten to actually support someone else in the Democratic primary is Specter doesn't vote with the Democrats enough. (Due to Pennsylvania election rules, Specter doesn't have the option of running as a independant like Lieberman did if he loses the primary and is just of out office at the end of his term.)

Thanks for that info that further helps explain the situation. Put me in the 'real democrat for the primary instead of Specter in 2010' camp.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
-snip-
Its is certainly going to change the filibuster use in the Senate, and now implies that the GOP will have to sell their ideas to more right wing democrats.

What?

How can it possibly change "the filibuster use in the Senate"? Do you mean they'll somehow actually get one to work now, cause they sure haven't pulled one off so far (that I can think of anyway).

Right-wing Democrats in the Senate? Who the h3ll would that be?

Fern

 

[Lemon law]

Fern asks, "Right-wing Democrats in the Senate? Who the h3ll would that be?"

Evan Bayh is one and there a whole bunch more from many basically conservative states. Lots of Dinos.

Don't ever confuse conservative with the radical right the GOP is swiftly becoming.

 

[JSt0rm]

GOP = god fearing neanderthals

pathetic. You guys need to get it together. Nobody wants a 1 party system and the gop is failing epically. You guys NEED the more center politicians more then the extreme righties no matter what Rush says.

 

[fskimospy]

By the way, I highly recommend watching Fox News today. It's a wonderful mix between sadness and rage.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

No, Obama voted with Bush approximately 40% of the time. When the GOP was setting the agenda in Congress, Obama only voted with him about 30% of the time. 70% of the time with Republicans for Specter fits perfectly with the idea of Specter being a moderate Republican.

I lived in PA for almost 20 years, with almost every single one of them being while Specter was a Senator. This whole idea that he's just been a Democrat the whole time is absolutely ridiculous.

/facepalm

Got any numbers to back up your claims? Or are they more "thin-air" facts?

:roll:

Facts > Liberal propaganda, every time.

Haha, facepalm indeed.

Of course this was a political calculation on Specter's part, that's my whole point, genius. He was never some Democrat in Republican's clothing, he just wasn't crazily to the right. That's why he would have lost the Republican primary, but it's also why he'll probably crush Toomey in the general election.

The rest of your post seems to be unrelated ranting and frothing.

Where'd ya go Ryan? Did you actually smack yourself in the head and knock yourself out?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Fern asks, "Right-wing Democrats in the Senate? Who the h3ll would that be?"

Evan Bayh is one and there a whole bunch more from many basically conservative states. Lots of Dinos.

Don't ever confuse conservative with the radical right the GOP is swiftly becoming.

Speaking of partisan hacks, who is moving the goal post here? Apparently everyone past Specter is a radical.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Fern asks, "Right-wing Democrats in the Senate? Who the h3ll would that be?"

Evan Bayh is one and there a whole bunch more from many basically conservative states. Lots of Dinos.

Don't ever confuse conservative with the radical right the GOP is swiftly becoming.

Speaking of partisan hacks, who is moving the goal post here? Apparently everyone past Specter is a radical.

Nobody said that everyone past Specter is a radical, but both political parties have become radicalized since the 70's. There aren't that many moderates like Specter left on either side.

 

[bbdub333]

If you think Specter is doing this for anything other than his own personal benefit, you're out of your mind.

Specter has been whoring himself out to whichever side will benefit him at the time for the length of his public career. He is the epitome of the worthless modern politician whom we all rail against yet still keep voting for. Pathetic.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
If you think Specter is doing this for anything other than his own personal benefit, you're out of your mind.

Specter has been whoring himself out to whichever side will benefit him at the time for the length of his public career. He is the epitome of the worthless modern politician whom we all rail against yet still keep voting for. Pathetic.

I totally agree. And as a Democrat, I don't wan't him. We already have enough right-wing Democrats in the party.