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Senate's top Democrat took free boxing tickets
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moshquerade
No Lifer
true!
it would please me immensely if Reid took a fall for this off his pompous pedestal.
The part I love- "several ethics experts said..."
Which experts are these? The ones who work for the NRO, Heritage Foundation, Independence institute, AEI, or any number of other rightwing think tanks?
The part none of the critics want to mention is that Reid's efforts and votes have always followed the interests of his own state wrt regulating their big money making enterprises, or that it's not like laundering money thru various non-profits to get very high dollar golfing junkets in Scotland... or thru the RNC to get illegal money back to local Texas candidates...
Gotta divert attention from the Abramoff scandal, and the obvious foot-dragging from the DOJ in that regard- Quick, Look over there! Harry Reid went to a Boxing Match, for free! With tickets from a Nevada State Agency! Oh, the Horror!
Shows how desperate they've become, and how picayune their issues really are wrt to Reid...
Which experts are these? The ones who work for the NRO, Heritage Foundation, Independence institute, AEI, or any number of other rightwing think tanks?
The part none of the critics want to mention is that Reid's efforts and votes have always followed the interests of his own state wrt regulating their big money making enterprises, or that it's not like laundering money thru various non-profits to get very high dollar golfing junkets in Scotland... or thru the RNC to get illegal money back to local Texas candidates...
Gotta divert attention from the Abramoff scandal, and the obvious foot-dragging from the DOJ in that regard- Quick, Look over there! Harry Reid went to a Boxing Match, for free! With tickets from a Nevada State Agency! Oh, the Horror!
Shows how desperate they've become, and how picayune their issues really are wrt to Reid...
I just plane disagree with this sh!t. There is no reason politicians have to be corrupt or take bribes and there is no excusing any of this in any way. Reid should be out on his ass or doing time, in my opinion. Congress should accept nothing at all for free. Absolutely nothing at all, period. Accepting gifts should be put up there with treason with the penalty being shot on in public.
Clearly the average ethical evolution of the average American and his average politician is on a par and that's why this crap is tolerated. I say they should be shot for violating the public trust which should be sacred. You don't sh!t on God and you don't f#ck the people. Get yourselves some f#cking morals.
Wow. Someone has relativity issues. All the while people are whining about Reid going to a boxing match, Abramoff is screwing Indian tribes, Cheney is netting millions of dollars from his 'former' company, and Bush is stealing the television while Reid gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Hooray for priorities!
You are either unfamiliar with the basic tenets of human nature, or have never lived outside of the U.S.
WE HAVE IT REALLY GOOD HERE.
The public officials here are far less corrupt than they are in other countries, at least on a level that affects us individually. There are certainly some curve-skewing exceptions that are extraordinarily bad... but of all the things a politician can do, using their post to obtain game tickets is probably the least.
Wow. Someone has relativity issues. All the while people are whining about Reid going to a boxing match, Abramoff is screwing Indian tribes, Cheney is netting millions of dollars from his 'former' company, and Bush is stealing the television while Reid gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Hooray for priorities!
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You are either unfamiliar with the basic tenets of human nature, or have never lived outside of the U.S.
WE HAVE IT REALLY GOOD HERE.
The public officials here are far less corrupt than they are in other countries, at least on a level that affects us individually. There are certainly some curve-skewing exceptions that are extraordinarily bad... but of all the things a politician can do, using their post to obtain game tickets is probably the least.
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These two posts strike me as typifying why nothing changes on the political front. The first ignores corruption on one side by pointing to the corruption on the other side pretty much cutting in half the number of people who care what any one side does. The second takes the position that things could always be worse so be happy with the corruption we've got.
Nothing could be truer than the fact that we have the government we deserve. They are a perfect reflection of our expectations of them and of ourselves.
What man is, is not what he can become and the significance of that fact cannot be taken in. Everybody on the ladder of human spiritual evolution believes that he is at the top because all notions, thoughts, or contemplations of further rungs evoke comparison. "There can't be anybody more evolved then me because that would mean I'm inferior and I can't allow myself to feel that because it triggers my hidden feelings that I'm the worst in the world." In short, we are all absolutely convinced that what we are and what we see is reality, our true human nature. And anybody who knows more will be accused of knowing less. You would know this, of course, if you knew something about yourself.
We do all know the Zen story of the tea cup that has to be emptied to be filled, right?
Hooray for priorities!
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You are either unfamiliar with the basic tenets of human nature, or have never lived outside of the U.S.
WE HAVE IT REALLY GOOD HERE.
The public officials here are far less corrupt than they are in other countries, at least on a level that affects us individually. There are certainly some curve-skewing exceptions that are extraordinarily bad... but of all the things a politician can do, using their post to obtain game tickets is probably the least.
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These two posts strike me as typifying why nothing changes on the political front. The first ignores corruption on one side by pointing to the corruption on the other side pretty much cutting in half the number of people who care what any one side does. The second takes the position that things could always be worse so be happy with the corruption we've got.
Nothing could be truer than the fact that we have the government we deserve. They are a perfect reflection of our expectations of them and of ourselves.
What man is, is not what he can become and the significance of that fact cannot be taken in. Everybody on the ladder of human spiritual evolution believes that he is at the top because all notions, thoughts, or contemplations of further rungs evoke comparison. "There can't be anybody more evolved then me because that would mean I'm inferior and I can't allow myself to feel that because it triggers my hidden feelings that I'm the worst in the world." In short, we are all absolutely convinced that what we are and what we see is reality, our true human nature. And anybody who knows more will be accused of knowing less. You would know this, of course, if you knew something about yourself.
We do all know the Zen story of the tea cup that has to be emptied to be filled, right?
LegendKiller
Lifer
As compared to Abramoff, 1 *TRILLION* dollars in spending caused by stupidity and greed, Cunningham, DeLay, and Frist, along with the dozens of other people, yeah, 100k is paltry.
I agree that they all should be booted. However, as previously mentioned, this is nothing but a diversion from all of the other scandals the Reps have going against them.
The 100k was found in a *night* raid that didn't allow the Congressman to be present, or have an attourney present. It seems to me that they are trying to dig up anything, and everything, they can to divert attention away from the real issues.
You can be a complete tool and fall for it, or you can see it for what it really is, a desperate executive trying to prop up their buddies long enough to squeek past mid-terms so they can have free-run of the house for another 2 years.
He crossed the line when he took a gift worth more than $49.99. Anyone who disagrees with that needs to take their head out of the sand.
The sad part is, we all know that nothing will come of this.
edit:
Yes, perhaps those experts are people who actually read the ethics rules. I know politicians don't have time to read every piece of paper that comes across their desks...
Reid appeases to those with sticks up their asses.
There. Now, if you want to call him all corrupt and whatnot, whatever, just know that you were all lambasting a man who took free boxing tickets, and comparing him to high-criminals Cheney and Abramoff, who have done so much more to hurt this country than boxing tickets could ever do.
There. Now, if you want to call him all corrupt and whatnot, whatever, just know that you were all lambasting a man who took free boxing tickets, and comparing him to high-criminals Cheney and Abramoff, who have done so much more to hurt this country than boxing tickets could ever do.
All of a sudden, under scrutiny, the asshole gets a spine and says he won't take bribes any more. What a slimy piece of crap. Everybody knows that it's all about appearances and that's not supposed to mean appearances that show up when somebody turns a spotlight into your filthy little worm hole.
What did I tell you... nothing will come of it. All politicians from boths sides of the aisle, should be tossed on their ear when they demonstrate behavior like this. Though this same people, come up with legislation to cover their own rear ends. It's the fault of the constituents who vote them in. If they enjoy having corrupt politicians that will pander to them for material possessions, why of course they'll forgive and forget, but most importantly mark their mans dot come election day.
I can pretty much guarantee no one is even going to remember about this past next month. Sorry, but this is such small fries compared to any of the other scandals going on these days.
Besides, the only people he "extorted" was the Nevada Bureau of Boxing, or whatever it was called. Article said that since he's the guy from Nevada, it was a gift from the state. I guess it wasn't, but this is pretty much in no way comparable to the Cheneys and Delays and Jeffersons of this world. Face it, people got their panties in a twist over this one because they wanted the spotlight off of the real problems. Since there was pretty much nothing wrong, it didn't work.
Besides, the only people he "extorted" was the Nevada Bureau of Boxing, or whatever it was called. Article said that since he's the guy from Nevada, it was a gift from the state. I guess it wasn't, but this is pretty much in no way comparable to the Cheneys and Delays and Jeffersons of this world. Face it, people got their panties in a twist over this one because they wanted the spotlight off of the real problems. Since there was pretty much nothing wrong, it didn't work.
You make a lot of assumptions. I will not forget. I didn't focus on this to deflect attention from elsewhere. I can focus on and not forget about many sets of problems and rank them according to their seriousness. The turd bucket from Nevada has earned his rank in my opinion.
See, this highlights the problems with the people that vote slimeballs like this into office. You are fully willing to accept a certain amount of corruption in your politics. While it is certainly the "lesser" of the two events mentioned, it still should be investigated and punished. All actions of these types should be punished, and the more serious crimes should get a greater degree of it. All things relative, even the small stuff should not be waved away because there are bigger fish...
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