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Senate votes to prohibit CIA from using waterboarding

marincounty

Diamond Member
Voting yes were 45 Democrats and 5 Republicans and one independent, Voting no were 1 Democrat, 43 Republicans and 1 independent.
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John McCain, who claims he is against torture, voted no.
Forty-three Republican Senators voted NO, in other words they are in favor of torture.
So much for those that argue there is no difference between the parties, I would say this is a clear difference.

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The Senate voted today to prevent the CIA from using waterboarding and other coercive interrogation techniques that are not allowed under U.S. Army regulations.

The provision, part of a larger bill that was previously approved by the House, now goes to President Bush, who has threatened to veto the measure. It passed the Senate on a 51-to-45 vote.

The move to ban coercive techniques at the CIA follows two weeks of public debate over the agency's use of waterboarding, a type of simulated drowning, on three al-Qaeda prisoners in 2002 and 2003.

It also comes in the same week that the Bush administration announced plans to try six prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for alleged involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Five of the six were subjected to harsh CIA tactics, which included sleep deprivation, extremes of hot and cold and, in one case, waterboarding.

Congress had previously banned waterboarding and other harsh tactics for use in the military through the Detainee Treatment Act of 2006, which was sponsored by GOP presidential candidate John McCain (R-Ariz.). But the Bush administration maintained that the law did not apply to the CIA and other intelligence agencies, leading to today's vote.

Under the legislation, the CIA would be restricted to using 19 interrogation techniques outlined in the U.S. Army Field Manual for Human Intelligence Collection.


CIA Director Michael V. Hayden said in testimony last week that the agency no longer uses waterboarding and that it is unclear whether the tactic would be allowed under current law.

But Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey has refused to say whether the technique might be legal, and other Bush administration officials have indicated that they want to preserve the CIA's ability to use harsh tactics.

But the vote drew praise from human rights groups and civil liberties advocates, who argue that the CIA's use of waterboarding amounts to torture in violation of U.S. laws and international treaty obligations.

"This legislation will ensure that the United States no longer employs interrogation methods it would condemn if used by our enemies against captured Americans," said Elisa Massimino, Washington director of Human Rights First.

 
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!


The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.


 
While I am all for the prohibition of torture (including waterboarding), this bill accomplishes nothing. They know it will be vetoed in the same way that all of the political softballs they've thrown Bush have been vetoed. Even if it did go through, outlawing one torture practice doesn't address the real problem. It's appalling that this even needs to be debated, but it's almost more appalling that nothing substantial will be accomplished by the legislature.
 
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!

The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

Are you a real person? I'm wondering if you aren't just some sort of candid camera joke personality that's going to copy our responses to your retarded rambling and put them up on somethingawful.com.

On the off chance that you're a real person and actually think this, you're a moron. You have no understanding of the principles this country was founded upon, and you disrespect the same human rights that you accuse these people of violating.

Please never vote.
 
Originally posted by: Socio
The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives.

Innocent until proven guilty is soooooo yesterday.
 
Good. Waterboarding isn't the worst thing that the CIA does, I'm sure, but the country and government need to send a strong message that we still abide by the Constitution and are working to uphold it as best we can.
 
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!


The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

So you don't mind torture?

OK, how do you determine who gets tortured? Can we torture anyone arrested now?

And what do you do when you are wrong, and you torture someone that is innocent and knows nothing? Say "sorry"?

Do you think we should obey the law? Because torture is illegal.

Can we just torture and kill all accused mass-murders and serial killers in the US as well, since they "no longer have the luxury of human rights"?

Have you thought this through, or this some knee-jerk reaction?

 
boohoo waterboarding....cry cry cry

Good lord, it's not like they are severing body parts with a rusty machete or inserting a glass tube in someones genitalia and smashing it...
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
boohoo waterboarding....cry cry cry

Good lord, it's not like they are severing body parts with a rusty machete or inserting a glass tube in someones genitalia and smashing it...

Hey guys, some forms of torture are okay as long as there are worse kinds!
 
So much for the convictions of John McCain. An outspoken critic of torture who now panders
to GWB&co with his when push comes to shove vote.

You have clarified much, John McShame.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!

The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

Are you a real person? I'm wondering if you aren't just some sort of candid camera joke personality that's going to copy our responses to your retarded rambling and put them up on somethingawful.com.

On the off chance that you're a real person and actually think this, you're a moron. You have no understanding of the principles this country was founded upon, and you disrespect the same human rights that you accuse these people of violating.

Please never vote.

Society has to draw a line between what is human and what is not, it is just that simple.

The Terrorists being waterboarded are responsible for countless deaths and laying the ground work for countless more they are the embodiment of inhuman they neither deserve nor should be afforded the rights reserved for humans.
 
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!

The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

Are you a real person? I'm wondering if you aren't just some sort of candid camera joke personality that's going to copy our responses to your retarded rambling and put them up on somethingawful.com.

On the off chance that you're a real person and actually think this, you're a moron. You have no understanding of the principles this country was founded upon, and you disrespect the same human rights that you accuse these people of violating.

Please never vote.

Society has to draw a line between what is human and what is not, it is just that simple.

The Terrorists being waterboarded are responsible for countless deaths and laying the ground work for countless more they are the embodiment of inhuman they neither deserve nor should be afforded the rights reserved for humans.

So who qualifies as a terrorist?
 
Originally posted by: Socio

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

Tell us about it again AFTER the jack booted storm troopers take you away to your personal undisclosed cell for a little "friendly" waterboarding persuasion... if you survive.

Don't give us any crap that you're not worried because you haven't done anything wrong. That's what lots of people thought when the nazis took over Germany, and Stalin was just as fair and gentle with those who died under his tyrannical reign.

In case you hadn't noticed, your Traitor in Chief and his cabal of murderers, traitors and torturers are as close as this nation has ever come to a facistic tyrannical dictatorship. :|

If you support them, instead of the Constitution, YOU are part of the problem. :thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!

The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

Are you a real person? I'm wondering if you aren't just some sort of candid camera joke personality that's going to copy our responses to your retarded rambling and put them up on somethingawful.com.

On the off chance that you're a real person and actually think this, you're a moron. You have no understanding of the principles this country was founded upon, and you disrespect the same human rights that you accuse these people of violating.

Please never vote.

Society has to draw a line between what is human and what is not, it is just that simple.

The Terrorists being waterboarded are responsible for countless deaths and laying the ground work for countless more they are the embodiment of inhuman they neither deserve nor should be afforded the rights reserved for humans.

As blinderbomber said, who gets to make the decision as to who is a terrorist? It's so strange that the people on the right think that the government is incapable of handling the day to day tasks of running a country, but are more then willing to let them decide if they live or die.

Maybe society should draw a line where people who are okay with torturing any living thing are inhuman. People like you.
 
Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!


The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.

So you don't mind torture?

OK, how do you determine who gets tortured? Can we torture anyone arrested now?

And what do you do when you are wrong, and you torture someone that is innocent and knows nothing? Say "sorry"?

Do you think we should obey the law? Because torture is illegal.

Can we just torture and kill all accused mass-murders and serial killers in the US as well, since they "no longer have the luxury of human rights"?

Have you thought this through, or this some knee-jerk reaction?

Waterboarding is not random, they just don?t grab any prisoner and do it to them. From what I understand they only do it to known high ranking terrorists whom possess vital information that can and has saved lives be it innocent civilians or our military.
 
Originally posted by: Socio
I hope he vetoes the crap out of it!


The people they use these interrogation tactics on are ones deliberately holding back information that could save untold human lives. In doing so are cold blooded murders that are no longer fit to have the luxury of human rights.

It is just beyond my comprehension how so many will go to bat for, take the side of and seek to protect people that would kill their entire family with out so much as a blink of an eye, that would murder any many innocent people as they could given the opportunity.

It just blows my mind how many mamby pamby wuss bag terrorist huggers there are in the US.


:roll: Who are "the people" you speak of? You know for sure they are torturing the right ones? Of course you don't. The point you are trying to make is....

you don't give a shit

Thanks. Here is your :cookie: keyboard patriot.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
So much for the convictions of John McCain. An outspoken critic of torture who now panders
to GWB&co with his when push comes to shove vote.

You have clarified much, John McShame.

I'm sorry, but the Vietnamese did a helluva lot worse than waterboarding
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Lemon law
So much for the convictions of John McCain. An outspoken critic of torture who now panders
to GWB&co with his when push comes to shove vote.

You have clarified much, John McShame.

I'm sorry, but the Vietnamese did a helluva lot worse than waterboarding

Which is why McCain?s vote is so perplexing.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Lemon law
So much for the convictions of John McCain. An outspoken critic of torture who now panders
to GWB&co with his when push comes to shove vote.

You have clarified much, John McShame.

I'm sorry, but the Vietnamese did a helluva lot worse than waterboarding

Which is why McCain?s vote is so perplexing.

Maybe he doesn't consider waterboarding real torture
 
Originally posted by: Socio

Waterboarding is not random, they just don?t grab any prisoner and do it to them. From what I understand they only do it to known high ranking terrorists whom possess vital information that can and has saved lives be it innocent civilians or our military.

From what you know, you don't know jack shit about who is tortured or what they know. For that matter, either do those committing torture in our name. If they did, they wouldn't think they had to torture their prisoner to get the information, and once they do it, they have no way of knowing whether the prisoner was telling the truth or simply saying whatever he hoped would stop the torture.

You do NOT defeat evil by becoming the evil you seek to defeat. If you believe otherwise, you are as much a part of the evil as your Traitor in Chief and his gang of criminals.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Lemon law
So much for the convictions of John McCain. An outspoken critic of torture who now panders
to GWB&co with his when push comes to shove vote.

You have clarified much, John McShame.

I'm sorry, but the Vietnamese did a helluva lot worse than waterboarding

Which is why McCain?s vote is so perplexing.

Maybe he doesn't consider waterboarding real torture

Nope, he sure does.
 
Originally posted by: outriding
Has any repeatable psychologists gave scientific proof that torture gives a positive stats over .7?

Of course not. Torture is notoriously unreliable. This argument isn't about facts or research for the pro-torture people, it's about a gut feeling that they have that this sort of thing should work. They just FEEL that it works, and that's good enough.
 
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