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Senate Republicans want to give Obama the purse strings.
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dmcowen674
No Lifer
Awesome
Too bad it is not likely to happen.
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With budget sequestration looming and no deal to avert it in sight, Senate Republicans, eager to avoid blame for any cuts, have devised a strategy that is as unconstitutional as it is ill-advised: Let the president decide what to cut.
Clearly, then, there is more to this move than simply ensuring that budget cuts occur. If Congress does nothing, or if it puts forth its own plan to avoid sequestration, Congress will get the blame for whatever cuts take place. But if the president is given carte blanche to decide what will be cut, he will become the scapegoat.
This, however, is the same logic that has given rise to dictatorships over and over again; and according to Politico, not all Republicans are swallowing it: “Congress has a constitutional responsibility to authorize and appropriate for the nation’s security,” [Sen. John] McCain [R-Ariz.] said Tuesday. “And why give that responsibility over [to] the president of the United States — and that renders us not just ineffective but irrelevant.”
The good news, then, is that the plan to cede Congress’s constitutional power of the purse to the executive branch is almost certain to be defeated. The bad news is that there are actually Republicans in the Senate, including their leaders, who thought it was a good idea in the first place.
Too bad it is not likely to happen.
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With budget sequestration looming and no deal to avert it in sight, Senate Republicans, eager to avoid blame for any cuts, have devised a strategy that is as unconstitutional as it is ill-advised: Let the president decide what to cut.
Clearly, then, there is more to this move than simply ensuring that budget cuts occur. If Congress does nothing, or if it puts forth its own plan to avoid sequestration, Congress will get the blame for whatever cuts take place. But if the president is given carte blanche to decide what will be cut, he will become the scapegoat.
This, however, is the same logic that has given rise to dictatorships over and over again; and according to Politico, not all Republicans are swallowing it: “Congress has a constitutional responsibility to authorize and appropriate for the nation’s security,” [Sen. John] McCain [R-Ariz.] said Tuesday. “And why give that responsibility over [to] the president of the United States — and that renders us not just ineffective but irrelevant.”
The good news, then, is that the plan to cede Congress’s constitutional power of the purse to the executive branch is almost certain to be defeated. The bad news is that there are actually Republicans in the Senate, including their leaders, who thought it was a good idea in the first place.
DominionSeraph
Diamond Member
Conservatives will just blame Obama for the fact that they have to try to blame the cuts on Obama.
Fox News isn't that difficult to write for.
Fox News isn't that difficult to write for.
michal1980
Diamond Member
stupid idea.
P.S.
This spending cut plan was Obama's.
He got his tax raise earlier this year, so why is he crying for more? I thought he wanted a balanced approach, yet all I hear from dumbo is "more taxes"
P.S.
This spending cut plan was Obama's.
He got his tax raise earlier this year, so why is he crying for more? I thought he wanted a balanced approach, yet all I hear from dumbo is "more taxes"
You mean back to Pre-Bush rates?
Ryan
Lifer
As far as I'm concerned, Republicans voted to raise your taxes when they passed the Bush tax cuts. They were not designed to last forever - they were never supposed to be permanent.
Thump553
Lifer
Pretty startling proposal when I first heard of it. Basically, if approved, Congress would pass on THE central power of the legislative branch to the executive Branch, albiet in a somewhat limited form.
This bill got squashed yesterday in the Senate. Obama had already stated he would veto it if it passed.
The more I think about it, this was a purely political move by the GOP to hang all the blame for the sequester cuts on Obama and he was smart to duck it.
The Progressives have a one sentence bill pending in the House which effectively says the sequester is repealed. That is the bill that needs action to avoid derailing the recovery.
This bill got squashed yesterday in the Senate. Obama had already stated he would veto it if it passed.
The more I think about it, this was a purely political move by the GOP to hang all the blame for the sequester cuts on Obama and he was smart to duck it.
The Progressives have a one sentence bill pending in the House which effectively says the sequester is repealed. That is the bill that needs action to avoid derailing the recovery.
Doc Savage Fan
Lifer
Dems got $600B in revenue increases last month....but are in full fearmonger-mode over $85B in spending cuts that they agreed to as part of previous negotiations. This does not compute.
Not only did Dems agreed to this sequester and Obama signed it into law...Obama specifically promised that he would veto any attempt to get rid of these spending cuts (http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontev...mpts-to-get-rid-of-automatic-spending-cuts/).
Yesterday Dems were given the opportunity to unilaterally control how the spending cuts could implemented. This would allow them complete power to mitigate the "dire impact on the economy" that they've been fearmongering about for the past month. But no...they don't want this. Instead they want more tax revenue as a condition for negotiating something they've already agreed to. Now Democrats are doing everything possible to blame Republicans. Wut? This is such bullshit.
Not only did Dems agreed to this sequester and Obama signed it into law...Obama specifically promised that he would veto any attempt to get rid of these spending cuts (http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontev...mpts-to-get-rid-of-automatic-spending-cuts/).
Yesterday Dems were given the opportunity to unilaterally control how the spending cuts could implemented. This would allow them complete power to mitigate the "dire impact on the economy" that they've been fearmongering about for the past month. But no...they don't want this. Instead they want more tax revenue as a condition for negotiating something they've already agreed to. Now Democrats are doing everything possible to blame Republicans. Wut? This is such bullshit.
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waggy
No Lifer
DominionSeraph
Diamond Member
Doc Savage Fan
Lifer
Please do me a favor....please don't respond to any of my posts unless you have something reasonably intelligent to say.
Jaskalas
Lifer
I never looked at it that way.
OTOH, that temporary tax cut is likely the only thing Democrats in the Senate would allow to pass without filibuster. When you need a 60+ majority, which no one ever has, then legislation cannot pass without compromise. Making it temporary was the compromise.
DominionSeraph
Diamond Member
Matt1970
Lifer
When have you ever provided anything other than "gonna tard"
Doc Savage Fan
Lifer
I've been posting in this forum for about 7 years and have seen more than my fair share of idiots from all sides of the political spectrum. However, during this 7 year period I've only placed one exceptional idiot on "Ignore"...you will be the second. Peace.
umbrella39
Lifer
You really are clueless aren't you? Sometimes I think you are a parody account meant to make conservatives look like uneducated voters. Mission accomplished.
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umbrella39
Lifer
Hey that's me that's me!!!! I am that 'exceptional idiot'! DSF simply doesn't like the mirror some place in front of his face, Dominion. Twice now he has had to smash them. Silly boy...
xj0hnx
Diamond Member
Ponytard gonna tard
BoberFett
Lifer
Everyone keep in mind, this guy is a crash test dummy.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31779862&postcount=114
michal1980
Diamond Member
taxes went up this year, did they not?
Or is their some other history book that liberals write?
"Made up facts by the liberal camp"- Sub Title - keep repeating until true
DominionSeraph
Diamond Member
When was the last time someone provided an interesting challenge?
I'm not interested in arguing belief wrapped in excuse warped around ego. The penetration of that doesn't say anything about my skill, it only provides rather unsatisfying personal information regarding the strength and extent of their shield. If they have nothing of intellectual interest to offer me, there isn't a meaningful difference between someone whose mind is total shit and someone who's merely weakly misguided, so that isn't useful data.
I'm sifting through heaps of garbage looking for some sign of one who can actually play.
Ah, Bober. Still can't quite get your head around the terribly complex concept of human bodies being controlled while accelerating under the effect of gravity.
One day you will no longer be so impressed by the concept's relation to you. But that day is not today.
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