Senate Republicans say they'll block tax increase on wealthy

[Double Trouble]

I want to see Obama get on national TV holding up the bill and say to the American people:

Such grandstanding would do nothing but confirm him to be a pompous ass.

 

[woolfe9999]

Surely that's the intent with this push before the election. I thought the R's were going to sidestep the punch after Boehner's comments Sunday, but it's good to see McConnell and the rest step right into it. I was almost in a full-blown mental crisis, my perception of reality shaken to the core, when it looked the R's might actually play ball on this.

Whatever decision the R's have made on this, it's because they think it works to their political advantage and not for any other reason. While Shira's scenario sounds like it works best for the D's, don't ever underestimate the tendency of the current electorate to blame the D's for any and all negative outcomes. It's just the way it works when one party has the majority, especially when things aren't going well with the economy.

So you can hope all you want, but I bet the D's get blamed if everyone's taxes go up. The irony is that the R's would rather that everyone gets their taxes raised just so that they can blame the D's. Just you wait, they will not compromize, the Bush cuts will expire, and they will campaign on how the D's "raised everyone's taxes"

- wolf

 

[Engineer]

Kudos to the republicans for standing up to the usual class warfare arguments (even though it's probably for the wrong reasons, political personal gain). "hey, they are rich, they don't deserve to keep the same tax cuts the rest of the population should get! Get your torches and pitchforks!". The republicans need to hold the democrat's feet to the fire: extend the tax cuts for all, or face the wrath of the population for raising everyone's taxes during an economic depression.

For the record, I don't make anywhere near $250k, so raising taxes on that group does not impact me. That doesn't make it right, so I'm 100% against it.

So you are willing to pay more because of it though? Good for you. Maybe you can pay my extra share too as I am not. I don't give a fuck who pays more as long as I pay less and yes, I'm Goddamn serious.

If the Reps manage to filibuster this, they aren't blocking raising taxes on the rich as that would be what happens whether this bill passes or not. They would be blocking a tax cut for the rest of us. But CAD is right...until a bill is produced that is filibustered (or passed), it's all in the Dems court.

 

[her209]

Such grandstanding would do nothing but confirm him to be a pompous ass.

Didn't stop the Republicans from doing it with the HCR bill.

 

[Double Trouble]

So you can hope all you want, but I bet the D's get blamed if everyone's taxes go up.

Remind me again, which party is in the white house, controls the senate and controls the house? Oh yeah, that's right. Well guess what, they are the ones I'm going to blame when everyone's taxes go up. It's that simple. They're trying to play the class warfare game against the supposed "rich", then they should get the blame when the thing backfires and everyone's taxes go up.

and they will campaign on how the D's "raised everyone's taxes"

Oh, you'd better believe it, and rightfully so.

 

[Double Trouble]

Didn't stop the Republicans from doing it with the HCR bill.

Correct, nobody ever said the republicans were not pompous asses as well!

 

[Double Trouble]

So you are willing to pay more because of it though? Good for you. Maybe you can pay my extra share too as I am not. I don't give a fuck who pays more as long as I pay less and yes, I'm Goddamn serious.

Well, at least that's honest I know when times are tough, it's easy to think "hey, that impacts someone else, not me, screw them", but the principle of the matter is that taxes should not be getting raised right now -- on anyone. Either keep the cuts for all, or make everyone pay more. If that means we all pay more, so be it, and I'll be sure to take it out on the party in government that does it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I want to see Obama get on national TV holding up the bill and say to the American people:

I suspect Dems are waiting to get the timing right, so that the message is nice and fresh when voters step into the booth, but we'll see...

Repubs are begging for the Ass-hammer on this, or just playing for time to see if Dems blink first...

If they filibuster to prevent cloture, then the game comes to a climax... but they can back down any time before that...

 

[Engineer]

Well, at least that's honest I know when times are tough, it's easy to think "hey, that impacts someone else, not me, screw them", but the principle of the matter is that taxes should not be getting raised right now -- on anyone. Either keep the cuts for all, or make everyone pay more. If that means we all pay more, so be it, and I'll be sure to take it out on the party in government that does it.

Fuck that. If 97% can keep the cuts vs 0% keeping the cuts, that's bunch of shit. As I said above, it the R's blocking my (and 96.99999999999%) of the rest of us tax cut (assuming it is brought to a bill by the Dems).

I'm a CEO....of me. It's my job to the best and make the most for my company...ME Inc.

 

[Zebo]

I'm preparing for Mexico. Where 10% lives well and 90% in misery and destitution. I already live in a "gated" compound. I already know day and night captain of local PD personally as in hunt fish and play golf w/ them. All that's left is bullet proofing cars when rabble gets exited. No big deal I'm handy. Americans are too stupid for anything else.

 

[Engineer]

I'm preparing for Mexico. Where 10% lives well and 90% in misery and destitution. I already live in a "gated" compound. I already know day and night captain of local PD personally as in hunt fish and play golf w/ them. All that's left is bullet proofing cars when rabble gets exited. No big deal I'm handy. Americans are too stupid for anything else.

I love you Zebo.....man crush!!! :wub:

 

[Jhhnn]

Such grandstanding would do nothing but confirm him to be a pompous ass.

Hardly. It would confirm that he's fed up with repubs, and that he's ready to play hardball politics.

In Obama's place, Cheney wouldn't hesitate for a nanosecond...

 

[Double Trouble]

Fuck that. If 97% can keep the cuts vs 0% keeping the cuts, that's bunch of shit. As I said above, it the R's blocking my (and 96.99999999999%) of the rest of us tax cut (assuming it is brought to a bill by the Dems).

I'm a CEO....of me. It's my job to the best and make the most for my company...ME Inc.

Using your logic, you'd be fine then with saying "everyone gets a tax cut, except people who drive toyotas, their taxes are doubling". Since I don't drive a toyota, it wouldn't impact me, so sure, why not, right? Of course not. It makes no sense to raise people's taxes right now, and any tax raise will be (and should be) attributed to the party in full power of the house, senate and white house, none of this "the dog ate my homework or the republicans wouldn't cooperate with us" bullshit excuses.

 

[brencat]

I suspect Dems are waiting to get the timing right, so that the message is nice and fresh when voters step into the booth, but we'll see...

Frankly, I'd like to see them compromise and raise the threshold for the rollback of tax cuts to at least $500k married filing jointly. This will shield most of the upper middle class, especially in the high cost of living states like NJ-NY-CT metro area and CA, and ensure only the truly wealthy pay more...as opposed to the comfortable but nowhere near wealthy group.

But of course both sides suck ass and are looking to exploit whatever will do the most political damage. I feel this topic is 'advantage-Dems' but hardly enough of importance to not vote their asses out this November after all the crap that's been passed on their watch these past 2 yrs. I think the electorate feels the same way -- really doesn't matter at this point. The Dems goose is cooked.

 

[Double Trouble]

Hardly. It would confirm that he's fed up with repubs, and that he's ready to play hardball politics.

In Obama's place, Cheney wouldn't hesitate for a nanosecond...

Sure thing. I'm sure the republicans would not counter with their own adds etc, and given the current polls and general sentiment, who do you think the public will blame for stupid things happening in DC? I'm guessing those in power will be blamed (D's).

 

[Engineer]

Using your logic, you'd be fine then with saying "everyone gets a tax cut, except people who drive toyotas, their taxes are doubling". Since I don't drive a toyota, it wouldn't impact me, so sure, why not, right? Of course not. It makes no sense to raise people's taxes right now, and any tax raise will be (and should be) attributed to the party in full power of the house, senate and white house, none of this "the dog ate my homework or the republicans wouldn't cooperate with us" bullshit excuses.

I don't care as long as I get mine. If they block mine, fuck them. You're just like a few others around here....withe the "I don't care if it's against my principles (i.e. higher taxes) so as long as my team gets the best of the next team or rams it down their throat". There are others in this very thread that have posted shit like that in the past (they know who they are). Fuck Dems...fuck Reps....both suck ass. If my taxes raise, I'll vote against every single mother fucker in office who didn't vote to keep my cut or against them all if they don't bring it to the floor to debate/vote on, period.

Oh, and I've heard many times that the Dems are the reason why the GOP didn't make these cuts permanent the first time, even though they had control of both chambers and the President at the time. How could that be? I mean, couldn't they just have rammed it down the Dems throats? How could the Dems have stopped that, right?

Using your logic, somebody hijacks a plane and tells the pilot to throw off 3% of the people or else. The Pilot says fuck you and tells the hijacker to throw off 100% of the people. See what I did there?

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure thing. I'm sure the republicans would not counter with their own adds etc, and given the current polls and general sentiment, who do you think the public will blame for stupid things happening in DC? I'm guessing those in power will be blamed (D's).

Good luck with that. I'm betting Repubs will fold. They have a winning hand this cycle, and this is just about the only way they can screw it up.

They'll apologize to the Koch bros and the Scaifes later... it's not like their donor base will switch to funding Dems...

 

[cubby1223]

But of course!!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Senat...tml?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

What else are you going to do as a republican except look out for #1 right?

Let's see:

1) Me Me Me
2) Money Money Money
3) Religion is good
4) Atheists BAD
5) No taxes 'cuz I deserve it ALL bitches


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What DID I MISS about Republicans?

Congratulations, you have shown your amazing ability to repost the yahoo news article of the day!

Does this story make you feel all warm and tingly inside?

 

[JS80]

A couple making $125k is "wealthy"? lol fucking idiots.

 

[woolfe9999]

Remind me again, which party is in the white house, controls the senate and controls the house? Oh yeah, that's right. Well guess what, they are the ones I'm going to blame when everyone's taxes go up. It's that simple. They're trying to play the class warfare game against the supposed "rich", then they should get the blame when the thing backfires and everyone's taxes go up.



Oh, you'd better believe it, and rightfully so.

Yes, this is the exact republican spin I said would happen on the campaign. It goes exactly like this, and this is the 10,000th time we've heard it right here on this discussion board. If one party has the majority that party is responsible for the bad outcome, even if the other party voted in unity for the bad outcome. According to this logic, the R's have no responsibility for how they vote on an issue. If one dem defects to the R's and we get a bad result because of it, then it's the dems fault. Heck, we don't even have to have a defection any more in the Senate. The R's have 41 so they can fillibuster even if the dems have total unity.

Same pretzel logic. It's how you blame the D's for the R's not being willing to compromize here.

May I propose a more logical model of who is "to blame" when things don't turn out the way they should? Each congress person is responsible for his or her own vote. That means if YOU refused to vote for a bill to extend cuts to everyone but the wealthy and because of that the cuts went away for everyone, then YOU are responsible for that vote. If you want to assess PARTY responsibility, you need only look at how many on each side voted Yea or Nay on a given piece of legislation. Sorry, the R's don't get a pass for voting on the wrong side of an issue just because the dems have a majority.

- wolf

 

[Throckmorton]

A couple making $125k is "wealthy"? lol fucking idiots.

If you don't think the top 2% is wealthy, you're the fucking idiot.

What next, top 2% IQ isn't intelligent? Top 2% weight isn't fat? LOLZ

 

[PeshakJang]

Let's see:

1) Me Me Me
2) Money Money Money
3) Religion is bad, except Islam
4) Atheists GOOD.
5) Raise taxes 'cuz somebody else deserves it ALL bitches

What DID I MISS about Democrats?

 

[JS80]

If you don't think the top 2% is wealthy, you're the fucking idiot.

What next, top 2% IQ isn't intelligent? Top 2% weight isn't fat? LOLZ

So a yuppie couple who got promoted to Sr Manager level making $125k each with $100k in liquid savings and a few bucks in their 401k is in the same category as a CEO making $300k and $10 million in the bank?

 

[Lemon law]

This time the gridlock works against the GOP.

The Bush tax cuts for everyone are due to sunset soon.

Either the GOP gives up on the tax cuts for the under 250K/yr set to get tax cuts for the under 250K/yr set, or they face an Obama veto which gives no one a tax cut.
And unless the GOP takes 2/3'rd of the House and Senate, they can't over ride the Obama veto.

If Obama had some backbone, he should stand firm on not extending the Bush tax cuts for the over 250K/yr. set and let the public wrath fall on the GOP. If the GOP wants to champion policies that benefit only one to two percent of the population, the GOP will start getting only one or two percent of the voting public.

 

[nonlnear]

This time the gridlock works against the GOP.

The Bush tax cuts for everyone are due to sunset soon.

Either the GOP gives up on the tax cuts for the under 250K/yr set to get tax cuts for the under 250K/yr set, or they face an Obama veto which gives no one a tax cut.
And unless the GOP takes 2/3'rd of the House and Senate, they can't over ride the Obama veto.

If Obama had some backbone, he should stand firm on not extending the Bush tax cuts for the over 250K/yr. set and let the public wrath fall on the GOP. If the GOP wants to champion policies that benefit only one to two percent of the population, the GOP will start getting only one or two percent of the voting public.

I'm not so sure they work against the GOP. I think they were designed precisely with such a scenario in mind. Time the sunset so that the Dems are likely to be in control, and then it's a win-win. The GOP gets to raise a stink about it and if they prevail that's great. On the other hand, if the GOP fails, that would have been a likely indication that it was a political climate in which the Dems were going to raise taxes anyways. That being the case, look at what happens: the debate is shifted from forward-looking tax changes (i.e. the tax raises the Dems would prefer to implement) to backward-looking debate wherein the GOP gets remembered as the tax-cut fairy and the big bad Dems are taking away the shiny new toy. If the Dems prevail it costs them political capital and time to pass... nothing. However it takes a lot of momentum away from their other tax objectives of the Dems.

It's not always about winning. Sometimes it's about losing less.