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Senate passes Bill on 700 Mile Border Fence

babylon5

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Congress Approves 700 Mile Border Fence

Americans demand it, Congress has no choice but listen if they want to get re-elected in November.

Mexico needs a big kick in the butt to stop relying on Illegals sending wages back home to keep dysfunctional Mexican economy afloat.



Washingtonpost.com article below:
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With Senate Vote, Congress Passes Border Fence Bill
Barrier Trumps Immigration Overhaul

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 30, 2006; A01

The Senate gave final approval last night to legislation authorizing the construction of 700 miles of double-layered fencing on the U.S.-Mexico border, shelving President Bush's vision of a comprehensive overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in favor of a vast barrier.

The measure was pushed hard by House Republican leaders, who badly wanted to pass a piece of legislation that would make good on their promises to get tough on illegal immigrants, despite warnings from critics that a multibillion-dollar fence would do little to address the underlying economic, social and law enforcement problems, or to prevent others from slipping across the border. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) surprised many advocates of a more comprehensive approach to immigration problems when he took up the House bill last week.

But in Congress's rush to recess last night for the fall political campaigns, the fence bill passed easily, 80 to 19, with 26 Democrats joining 54 Republicans in support. One Republican, Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.); one independent, Sen. James M. Jeffords (Vt.); and 17 Democrats opposed the bill. The president has indicated that he will sign it.

Mexico's foreign affairs secretary, Luis Ernesto Derbez, told reporters in Mexico City yesterday that his country plans to send a letter strongly condemning the measure in an effort to dissuade Bush from signing the bill.

If fully constructed, the fence would span a distance equivalent to the distance between Washington and Jacksonville, Fla.

The Secure Fence Act authorizes the construction of at least two layers of reinforced fencing around the border town of Tecate, Calif., and a huge expanse stretching from Calexico, Calif., to Douglas, Ariz. -- virtually the entire length of Arizona's border with Mexico. Another expanse would stretch over much of the southern border of New Mexico, with another section winding through Texas, from Del Rio to Eagle Pass, and from Laredo to Brownsville.

The Department of Homeland Security would be required to install an intricate network of surveillance cameras on the Arizona border by May 30, 2007, with the entire fence set for completion by the end of 2008.

Under the measure, the secretary of homeland security would have 18 months to achieve "operational control" of the U.S. frontier, using unmanned aerial vehicles, ground-based sensors, satellites, radar and cameras to prevent all unlawful U.S. entries. Fortifying those requirements, Congress approved $1.2 billion in a separate homeland security spending bill to bankroll the fence.

That figure, however, is only a down payment and falls far short of the $6 billion the fence is expected to cost. Lawmakers from both parties conceded that even at 700 miles in length, the barrier would leave nearly 1,300 miles of border uncovered.

Foes of illegal immigration had clamored for the bill, flooding lawmakers' phones in the past week and sending lawmakers bricks symbolizing the wall they want on the southern border. Advocates of the measure called it a landmark step toward securing the nation's porous borders.

"Fortifying our borders is an integral component of national security," Frist said. "We can't afford to wait."

But opponents dismissed it as a political stunt, an international disgrace and an affront to the ideals laid out by Bush earlier this year when he called for legislation that would couple a border crackdown with new paths to lawful work and citizenship for foreigners seeking entry and for the nation's estimated 12 million undocumented workers.

"This is not a sign of strength and engagement, but a sign of weakness and fear. And frankly, speaking as an American, it's an embarrassment," said Kevin Appleby, director of migration and refugee policy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) taunted Bush for laying out an expansive vision of immigration reform, only to cave "to the radical anti-immigrant right wing of his party."

"It is a shame that after he went on national television to call for comprehensive reform, even after he went to Mexico this summer and said he was against fences, he is now willing to settle for this ineffective half-measure," Reid said.

Advocates and opponents of the measure said it is not clear that the fence can be built as the bill envisions. The Arizona branch would have to plunge down steep ravines and scale craggy mountain peaks. "This is not Iowa farmland," said Rep. Raul M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.). Construction is "going to be near impossible."

A vast stretch of the Arizona fence would traverse the lands of the Tohono O'odham Nation, which strongly opposes it and could bring suit, said Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.). Construction crews would have to deal with rivers and streams running north to south and wildlife migration routes that do not respect the U.S.-Mexico divide. And the Border Patrol does not have enough agents to stop smugglers from simply knocking holes in remote stretches.

"It's not feasible," said Kolbe, who is retiring from Congress at the end of the year. "It's a statement for the election. That's all."

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) tried to amend the Senate bill to give the Department of Homeland Security more flexibility in the placement of the barriers, but House leaders resisted any changes to the House-passed bill. In the end, she settled for a letter from GOP leaders promising to revisit the issue when Congress returns after the elections.

An effort by Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) to moderate the bill's definition of "operational control" was also dropped. The bill defines operational control as preventing all unlawful entries. Martinez suggested dropping the word "all."

Passage of the fence bill culminated a year of sometimes-vicious infighting among Republicans, who were divided between the get-tough approach of the House GOP and the more comprehensive vision embraced by Bush and many Senate Republicans. In December, the House approved legislation to declare illegal immigrants to be felons, build a border fence, increase penalties for employers who hire undocumented workers, expedite the detention and removal of illegal immigrants, and create a vast database of lawful Social Security numbers and other indicators for employers to use to check the legality of their workers.

The Senate, led by a bipartisan coalition headed by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), followed in May with legislation that coupled many of the same border security measures with guest-worker programs that would allow illegal immigrants to find lawful employment and, eventually, citizenship.

But House GOP leaders never moved to negotiate a final compromise. Instead, this summer, they launched a series of politically freighted immigration field hearings that entrenched the House's enforcement-only approach. House Republicans saw the final passage of the fence bill last night as a victory.
 
we will watch them steal the cameras and dig under the fence as well as cut through the fence as they laugh all the way across the border. And our umanned aerial vehicles will be there to video the entire act and we can't do anything about it.

This nation was founded on immigrants - don't turn them back
 
Originally posted by: babylon5
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2006/09/29/AR2006092901912.html

Americans demand it, Congress has no choice but listen if they want to get re-elected in November.

Mexico needs a big kick in the butt to stop relying on Illegals sending wages back home to keep dysfunctional Mexican economy afloat.

Aye, but this is only the first meager step in the right direction. We've an LA marathon between us and any actual results that end up with anything less than 100 million illegals in our country by 2050.

Then twenty years later every single one of their kids are legal and voting and control this country. I doubt we truly have the gut required to do what is necessary to prevent this. I only hope they are loyal to us before Hugo Chavez and Reconquista.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
Will still need an electronic frontier kill zone ala The Running Man

I prefer the Wedlock/Deadlock way. Everyone has a partner, if you move too far away from your partner your head blows up. Problem is, no one knows who their partner is. It would make it very easy to stop when you see 20,000,000 or so Mexicans coming towards the border all at once.

But seriously, this won't fix the problem. If this turned out to be a "public works" kind of deal that put Americans to work, it would be great. We need projects like that again. But it will never happen, the contract will go do someone in the Oval Office's buddies who will in turn hire illegals to build it.
 
So the next thing to do is to contract this out to corporations who will hire illegal immigrants to perform the work -
so that the properly connected contractors can maximize their profits.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
So the next thing to do is to contract this out to corporations who will hire illegal immigrants to perform the work -
so that the properly connected contractors can maximize their profits.

Yep, the neocon circle of life. Invade a country, destroy its infrastructure, pay buddies at Halliburton to fix it (make millions yourself in the process).

Create an "imminent" problem with the US/Mexican borders, hire buddies to fix it, they pay substandard wage to the Mexicans on this side of the fence to build it (make millions in the process) Ask Mecians kindly not to walk around the fence after it's built.
 
Its a trueism---you can fence yourself in but you can't fence the world out---but its a feel good way to waste money---the great wall of China didn't protect China---and now its a tourist attraction---I very much doubt our fence will last as long.

But if you want to stop illegal immigration---just enforce existing laws against hiring them---but no one has the political guts to say it---or enforce it.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Its a trueism---you can fence yourself in but you can't fence the world out---but its a feel good way to waste money---the great wall of China didn't protect China---and now its a tourist attraction---I very much doubt our fence will last as long.

But if you want to stop illegal immigration---just enforce existing laws against hiring them---but no one has the political guts to say it---or enforce it.

Its because you can't enforce it. Almost every employer I had when going through high school and college, hired illegals and paid them cash.
 
Some of you people are just plain ignorant on this issue. We have a whole world full of people that would love to come to this country. Why do we sit around and allow uneducated people to flock in (illegally) when we have hordes of educated people standiong in line to come here (legally)?

I think a 700 mile fence is just a good start and I think we should take the illegals we catch trying to cross and make them build it for room and board.
 
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
2006 Conservative Base ignition checklist:

Xenaphobia - check
blame game - check
frighten public - check
homophobia - ?


Do you really think Mexico is all peaceful flower people inviting everyone and anyone from other countries to come in?

Read on:


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Mexico Harsh to Undocumented Migrants

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press WriterTue Apr 18, 6:08 PM ET

Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.

While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence.

And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people ? compared with 12 percent in the United States.

The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.

Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common.

"At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here."

Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you ? federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train.

Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico.

"The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'"

Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food.

"If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said.

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police.

"They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train.

The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police.

The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

"One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said.

In the United States, mostly Mexican immigrants have staged rallies pressuring Congress to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants rather than making them felons and deputizing police to deport them. The Mexican government has spoken out in support of the immigrants' cause.

While Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal said Monday that "Mexico is a country with a clear, defined and generous policy toward migrants," the nation of 105 million has legalized only 15,000 immigrants in the past five years, and many undocumented migrants who are detained are deported.

Although Mexico objects to U.S. authorities detaining Mexican immigrants, police and soldiers usually cause the most trouble for migrants in Mexico, even though they aren't technically authorized to enforce immigration laws.

And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common.

The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran.

Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.

She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient.

Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.

 
It'a a great day for defense contractors. But if you are thinking of getting in line to cash in on the billions of dollars of new federal contracts for this-forget it, the promises and backroom deals have already been made.

One more example of patriotic spirit being exploited for financial gain at the public trough.
 
Too bad they didn't actually fund the fence, just vote for it to pander to their base.
a useful propaganda tool that will be used as more marching cadence to keep the lock-step going. zombie music. nothing else to it.
 
Hillary voted for the bill, after she voted against it... amazing John Kerry all over again.

She voted against cloture (ending debate and moving to final vote) and the joined seven other Democrats who voted against cloture to vote for the bill.

BTW it passed 80-19 in the senate.
 
BTW it passed 80-19 in the senate.
hmmm...interesting figure. thanks for posting it.

seems to me that since this whole fence deal along with sending in national guard units to help the border patrol is pure political posturing initiated by the repubs, that vote count could also reflect the political posturing the dems were forced to take in response.

in the meantime, AFAIK, our borders are as pourous as they ever were under bush's or any other president's adiminstration, and it'll probably be that way long after bush leaves office.

so much for the creation of the dept. of "homeland security", which only seems to have done one thing: consolidate control of the security and intelligence services so that the bush administration could micromanage them as to keep a tight lid on what comes in and especially what goes out from them all.

oops sorry babylon, i digress. 😱
 
What a waste of resources. Instead of builing a big expensive fence, that money could have gone to health care, education, and the national debt. This fence is a prime example of the torrid policies of the Bush Administration.
 
Originally posted by: Hacp
What a waste of resources. Instead of builing a big expensive fence, that money could have gone to health care, education

For all the aliens and their children?😉
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Too bad they didn't actually fund the fence, just vote for it to pander to their base.

They have to wait until after the election to see who is going to get the contract. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Hacp
What a waste of resources. Instead of builing a big expensive fence, that money could have gone to health care, education, and the national debt. This fence is a prime example of the torrid policies of the Bush Administration.

So you want to treat the symptoms, not the illness?
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Hacp
What a waste of resources. Instead of builing a big expensive fence, that money could have gone to health care, education, and the national debt. This fence is a prime example of the torrid policies of the Bush Administration.

So you want to treat the symptoms, not the illness?

The fence just treats symptoms as well. They could have spent a fraction of the fence money on increased crackdown on businesses that hire illegals. But that will never happen. Crackdown on politically connected businesses that are causing the problem?

And we don't need the fence to fight terrorists. It's much easier, safer, and quicker to just fly into this country through an airport.
 
it's a decent start... now, if we would only make it a wall instead of a fence... and patrol it using armed robots... and attack dogs...
 
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