Senate Okays "assault weapons" ban extension (EDIT: Senate GOP Scuttles Gun Bill)

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: buckmasterson
And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

An accurate AR-15 doesnt make a nice varmit rifle? Really? And why would a AR-10 be a bad rifle for deer? Hell, you can use an AR-15 for deer in a pinch, though I'd prefer a -10.

Personally, I wouldnt recommend an AK for deer hunting, but it isnt any worse for most deer hunting than using a smoothbore shotgun and slugs.

Now, like I said, I'm not much of a fan of the AKs for hunting, but why are ARs bad hunting rifles?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: ElFenix

"These are weapons of war. They are designed to kill a lot of people quickly," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who authored the 1994 gun ban while in the House.

yeah, they kill a lot faster than any other semi automatic rifle! down with assault weapons!

to bad the law doesn't do anything to help;

what do you mean? of course it does! it bans those big guns that kill people faster! and it bans clips with lots of rounds that let you kill more people between changing clips! it's an assault weapon! not a normal gun! the military uses them!

No, the difference between an assault weapon and a 'standard' gun can be, and often is, as small as having everything the same but having a 'flash suppressor' on it, or having everything the same, but having a shorter stock on the Gun.

you can kill the same number of people w/out a flash suppressor;

The AWB is just a token law; some might say it actually encourages gun ownership because of the fear that the right will be taken away.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: buckmasterson
And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

An accurate AR-15 doesnt make a nice varmit rifle? Really? And why would a AR-10 be a bad rifle for deer? Hell, you can use an AR-15 for deer in a pinch, though I'd prefer a -10.

Personally, I wouldnt recommend an AK for deer hunting, but it isnt any worse for most deer hunting than using a smoothbore shotgun and slugs.

Now, like I said, I'm not much of a fan of the AKs for hunting, but why are ARs bad hunting rifles?

Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: buckmasterson
And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

An accurate AR-15 doesnt make a nice varmit rifle? Really? And why would a AR-10 be a bad rifle for deer? Hell, you can use an AR-15 for deer in a pinch, though I'd prefer a -10.

Personally, I wouldnt recommend an AK for deer hunting, but it isnt any worse for most deer hunting than using a smoothbore shotgun and slugs.

Now, like I said, I'm not much of a fan of the AKs for hunting, but why are ARs bad hunting rifles?

Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

I think it's a better idea to let the kooks have the guns, but keep records of who purchased what gun.

although the big-brother aspect hits me wrong, I'm hoping it will hit the potential murderer wrong as well.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: buckmasterson
And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

An accurate AR-15 doesnt make a nice varmit rifle? Really? And why would a AR-10 be a bad rifle for deer? Hell, you can use an AR-15 for deer in a pinch, though I'd prefer a -10.

Personally, I wouldnt recommend an AK for deer hunting, but it isnt any worse for most deer hunting than using a smoothbore shotgun and slugs.

Now, like I said, I'm not much of a fan of the AKs for hunting, but why are ARs bad hunting rifles?

Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

I think it's a better idea to let the kooks have the guns, but keep records of who purchased what gun.

Sorry Bubba, but I don't believe you were thinking before you posted this. It's never good for a mentally unstable individual to own a gun

although the big-brother aspect hits me wrong, I'm hoping it will hit the potential murderer wrong as well.

Yeah right, a Professional Hitman is going to worry about the legal aspects or a Looney Toons Paint Chip Eater is going to care before he takes out his Co-Workers at the Post Offioce or where ever it was that he was fired from?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

Linky. (Take the challenge, if you have the time)

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Sorry Bubba, but I don't believe you were thinking before you posted this. It's never good for a mentally unstable individual to own a gun

by kooks i figured you where refering to NRA members, not the truly mentally ill; a test for mental illness should be required to get a license to buy any gun that isn't a standard shotgun.

Yeah right, a Professional Hitman is going to worry about the legal aspects or a Looney Toons Paint Chip Eater is going to care before he takes out his Co-Workers at the Post Offioce or where ever it was that he was fired from?

hit man is going to know enough to mod his own gun; Tracking the ballistics of each gun sold to an individual would be best to discourage people from thinking they can kill someone w/out being caught.

nothing we can do to keep someone who was fine yesterday from going nuts today, but a waiting period, back ground check, licenses, and new gun responsibility's *such as making guns purchasers that have guns 'stolen' partly responsible for anyone that the 'stolen' guns kill* can help reduce premeditated murder.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: buckmasterson
And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

An accurate AR-15 doesnt make a nice varmit rifle? Really? And why would a AR-10 be a bad rifle for deer? Hell, you can use an AR-15 for deer in a pinch, though I'd prefer a -10.

Personally, I wouldnt recommend an AK for deer hunting, but it isnt any worse for most deer hunting than using a smoothbore shotgun and slugs.

Now, like I said, I'm not much of a fan of the AKs for hunting, but why are ARs bad hunting rifles?

it would be an inhumane deer rifle perhaps.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: buckmasterson
And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

An accurate AR-15 doesnt make a nice varmit rifle? Really? And why would a AR-10 be a bad rifle for deer? Hell, you can use an AR-15 for deer in a pinch, though I'd prefer a -10.

Personally, I wouldnt recommend an AK for deer hunting, but it isnt any worse for most deer hunting than using a smoothbore shotgun and slugs.

Now, like I said, I'm not much of a fan of the AKs for hunting, but why are ARs bad hunting rifles?

it would be an inhumane deer rifle perhaps.

Which specific part of my post (ie, which gun) are you applying that statement to?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Sorry Bubba, but I don't believe you were thinking before you posted this. It's never good for a mentally unstable individual to own a gun

by kooks i figured you where refering to NRA members, not the truly mentally ill; a test for mental illness should be required to get a license to buy any gun that isn't a standard shotgun.

No I wasn't. Though there are some Kooks who are members (can you say Chucky Heston?) I'd say that the NRA does more than anybody else to promote Gun Safety

Yeah right, a Professional Hitman is going to worry about the legal aspects or a Looney Toons Paint Chip Eater is going to care before he takes out his Co-Workers at the Post Offioce or where ever it was that he was fired from?

hit man is going to know enough to mod his own gun; Tracking the ballistics of each gun sold to an individual would be best to discourage people from thinking they can kill someone w/out being caught.[/quote] Come on now, a Pro would either have an untracable gun or mod it so it can't be traced. People off their rocker many times don't care if they are caught

nothing we can do to keep someone who was fine yesterday from going nuts today, but a waiting period, back ground check, licenses, and new gun responsibility's *such as making guns purchasers that have guns 'stolen' partly responsible for anyone that the 'stolen' guns kill* can help reduce premeditated murder.

By partly responsible to you mean that if they don't report their gun stolen they can be charged? What if they don't realize that it's been stolen?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

If someone wants to take on the right of owning an asault rifle then they should be willing to take on responsiblity for keeping it locked up.

I doubt we can do much of anything but give the kooks some cool-down time, and track the gun-owner if they get away; or do you have another solution?

C Heston is an old man who got confused by and edited into looking like he was saying the opposite of what he intended in "bowling";

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

Linky. (Take the challenge, if you have the time)

I missed this one, thought the forward grip made it illegal...

I have a pre ban Olympic Arms frankengun AR mine's on top. I also have a sniper rifle I built up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
If someone wants to take on the right of owning an asault rifle then they should be willing to take on responsiblity for keeping it locked up.

I doubt we can do much of anything but give the kooks some cool-down time, and track the gun-owner if they get away; or do you have another solution?

C Heston is an old man who got confused by and edited into looking like he was saying the opposite of what he intended in "bowling";

Never seen "Bowling" I do remember his testimony and his reading of "Cop Killer" to the Senate. It was a Hoot!

 

[Pliablemoose]

I have the right to purchase any legal weapon on the spot in Texas. Went through the CCW background check & have a CCW permit. They still run my permit # during a purchase to ensure the permit is current & valid.

The only thing that bothers me is that even in traditional Brady Bill waiting/background checks, people with a significant psychiatric history can purchase weapons because of medical record confidentiality laws.

 

[Bulk Beef]

And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

What does or does not make a good hunting rifle is totally irrelevant. By your logic, firearms should only be possessed by hunters. That sounds like an infringement to me. Tell me where in the BoR hunting is mentioned.

What can a FAL do that a BAR can't? What did Malvo do with his (stolen) AR that he could not have done with a Model 70 (or a muzzle loader, for that matter)?

You've been duped. How long do you think your BDL or your 870 will be immune?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: buckmasterson

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Todd33

Agreed, they need to ban just about all guns, save hunting rifles. There is no need for cowboy yee-haw crap in the 21st centry. Legal gun owners scare me as much as illegal ones.

You sir are a perfect model for a citizen. Afraid to protect themselves and afraid of people who arent. Chuck Schumer would love you.

Oh yeh, and mebbe if ya read around you might find out that AR based weapons make great varmint rifles and ak based rifles are decent deer rifles.

And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

Congratulations, you are the proud owner of a sniper rifle. You don?t need to have that so hand it over.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: buckmasterson

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Todd33

Agreed, they need to ban just about all guns, save hunting rifles. There is no need for cowboy yee-haw crap in the 21st centry. Legal gun owners scare me as much as illegal ones.

You sir are a perfect model for a citizen. Afraid to protect themselves and afraid of people who arent. Chuck Schumer would love you.

Oh yeh, and mebbe if ya read around you might find out that AR based weapons make great varmint rifles and ak based rifles are decent deer rifles.

And you sir, are wrong. AR and AK weapons DO NOT make good hunting equipment. I've hunted for over 30 years, I own many guns, NONE of them are AR or AK. Most of the AK's out their have terrible accuracy problems, and I'd take my Remmington 308 BDL over any AR or AK. Heck I'd take my 870 and buckshot first!!! AR's and AK's should be banned, period! The thought of a hunter needing something like this is just plain stupid. The NRA needs to get their heads out of thier butts, and agree to a total ban of these types of weapons.

Congratulations, you are the proud owner of a sniper rifle. You don?t need to have that so hand it over.

Yep, the .308's trajectory & history of use as a sniper rifle round should make it a banned caliber...

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Yep, the .308's trajectory & history of use as a sniper rifle round should make it a banned caliber...

And it is more powerful than the rifles carried by America's troops!!!

If the AWB is ever made permanent, within a couple years you'll hear arguments like the above as to why we should ban some rifles for being "sniper rifles"

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Yep, the .308's trajectory & history of use as a sniper rifle round should make it a banned caliber...

And it is more powerful than the rifles carried by America's troops!!!

If the AWB is ever made permanent, within a couple years you'll hear arguments like the above as to why we should ban some rifles for being "sniper rifles"

Buckmasterson is a perfect example of the biggest problem in the pro-gun community. Many hunters that think the best way to keep their guns is to sell out everyone else first. I mean nobody would really outlaw bolt action rifles or shotguns, would they?

If it was up to many of the Democrats, particularly a seantor from Cali who will remain nameless, there would be no legal guns allowed in the country.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Yep, the .308's trajectory & history of use as a sniper rifle round should make it a banned caliber...

And it is more powerful than the rifles carried by America's troops!!!

If the AWB is ever made permanent, within a couple years you'll hear arguments like the above as to why we should ban some rifles for being "sniper rifles"

Buckmasterson is a perfect example of the biggest problem in the pro-gun community. Many hunters that think the best way to keep their guns is to sell out everyone else first. I mean nobody would really outlaw bolt action rifles or shotguns, would they?

If it was up to many of the Democrats, particularly a seantor from Cali who will remain nameless, there would be no legal guns allowed in the country.

rape and burglary are much higher in country's like england with no civilian gun ownership.

 

[Bulk Beef]

If it was up to many of the Democrats, particularly a seantor from Cali who will remain nameless, there would be no legal guns allowed in the country.

That's no joke.

If I could?ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban picking up every one of them... Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ?em all in, I would?ve done it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: sward666

If it was up to many of the Democrats, particularly a seantor from Cali who will remain nameless, there would be no legal guns allowed in the country.

That's no joke.

If I could?ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban picking up every one of them... Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ?em all in, I would?ve done it.

She is going to have to come and take them from me, physically.

An outright ban on all firearms would be the biggest joke since prohibition. There are millions upon millions of firearms in the United States. Going out and trying to find every last one would be an exercise in futility. Several of the weapons I own requred no paperwork or government check to obtain (All legally mind you).

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

Linky. (Take the challenge, if you have the time)

I missed this one, thought the forward grip made it illegal...

I have a pre ban Olympic Arms frankengun AR mine's on top. I also have a sniper rifle I built up.

You are the man, man. I wish I had the spare bucks to build a collection like yours. Maybe one day...

OTOH I just upgraded to a 2.8c running @ 3.3, 2 gigs of PC4000 Hyper X and ordered a 10,000 rpm raptor from newegg. 😀

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well if what you say about those guns not being anymore lethal that the guns that are legally sold is true then I can't see why they should be banned. However if per chance they are, there is no reason for them to be legal, especially with all the kooks out in society today.

Linky. (Take the challenge, if you have the time)

I missed this one, thought the forward grip made it illegal...

I have a pre ban Olympic Arms frankengun AR mine's on top. I also have a sniper rifle I built up.

You are the man, man. I wish I had the spare bucks to build a collection like yours. Maybe one day...

OTOH I just upgraded to a 2.8c running @ 3.3, 2 gigs of PC4000 Hyper X and ordered a 10,000 rpm raptor from newegg. 😀

Great, now give me your PayPal addy and I'll send you some money so you can call somone who actually gives a sh!t.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Yep, the .308's trajectory & history of use as a sniper rifle round should make it a banned caliber...

And it is more powerful than the rifles carried by America's troops!!!

If the AWB is ever made permanent, within a couple years you'll hear arguments like the above as to why we should ban some rifles for being "sniper rifles"

actually the .308 is the same round as the 7.62 nato