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Senate GOPers hop on gay bash bandwagon

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WASHINGTON - In this week?s Senate debate over a proposed constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, proponents of the measure say the issue is simple: Who should decide whether same-sex marriage will be legal ? judges or the voters through their elected representatives?
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I think that's the wrong question. The real question is how is it any of your GD business?!

?If the vote were today, it probably would not get two-thirds,? said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., two weeks ago. ?The reason for bringing it up is to elevate an issue which defines us as a society. The institution of marriage constitutes the fabric of our society. ? That fabric is being torn apart by activist judges.?
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Hmm, the kind that argue leniency for cross burners or the kind that say women cannot be raped b/c the "juices don't flow?"

Urging Congress to act, he said, ?When judges insist on imposing their arbitrary will on the people, the only alternative left to the people is an amendment to the Constitution ? the only law a court cannot overturn.?
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Uhh what's the difference between that and arbitrary religious beliefs held by a bare majority of the population being imposed upon others?
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
MSNBC
WASHINGTON - In this week?s Senate debate over a proposed constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, proponents of the measure say the issue is simple: Who should decide whether same-sex marriage will be legal ? judges or the voters through their elected representatives?
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I think that's the wrong question. The real question is how is it any of your GD business?!

?If the vote were today, it probably would not get two-thirds,? said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., two weeks ago. ?The reason for bringing it up is to elevate an issue which defines us as a society. The institution of marriage constitutes the fabric of our society. ? That fabric is being torn apart by activist judges.?
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Hmm, the kind that argue leniency for cross burners or the kind that say women cannot be raped b/c the "juices don't flow?"

Urging Congress to act, he said, ?When judges insist on imposing their arbitrary will on the people, the only alternative left to the people is an amendment to the Constitution ? the only law a court cannot overturn.?
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Uhh what's the difference between that and arbitrary religious beliefs held by a bare majority of the population being imposed upon others?
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Those same activist judges who ruled 7-2 in Bush's favor in 2000. 😉
 
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic because Bush-lite's administration has nothing to show for their term in office. He, and those who support this POS, are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one. :|
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic because Bush-lite's administration has nothing to show for their term in office. He, and those who support this POS, are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one. :|
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I could say the same thing of all you liberals concerning the conservatives on this forums... you are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Harvey
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic because Bush-lite's administration has nothing to show for their term in office. He, and those who support this POS, are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one. :|
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I could say the same thing of all you liberals concerning the conservatives on this forums... you are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one.
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Just because you can replace Bush with liberals does not mean the originial is untrue and it doesn't mean your replacement is true.
 
It won't pass, but they want to get everyone who oppose it, especially the Republicans, on record as opposing it. It will then be a campain tactic to rail against those who voted no. The fundies are sure this is a huge issue.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Harvey
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic because Bush-lite's administration has nothing to show for their term in office. He, and those who support this POS, are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one. :|
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I could say the same thing of all you liberals concerning the conservatives on this forums... you are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one.
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ROFL

Like you said it works both ways.

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One more crowed pleaser.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
I could say the same thing of all you liberals concerning the conservatives on this forums... you are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one.
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Excuse you, but would you care to justify that last blast of unfounded personal attack blather with some coherent thought? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Harvey
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic because Bush-lite's administration has nothing to show for their term in office. He, and those who support this POS, are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one. :|
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I could say the same thing of all you liberals concerning the conservatives on this forums... you are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one.
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See? I thought for a second there you were going to take the high road. You know, show us how the conservatives on these forums are better than the spittle-spewing extremists. Oh well.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Harvey
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic because Bush-lite's administration has nothing to show for their term in office. He, and those who support this POS, are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one. :|
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I could say the same thing of all you liberals concerning the conservatives on this forums... you are simply biggoted, pea-brained terrorists waging a war of hatred against a significant number of tax paying, contributing American citizens who are guilty of harming no one.
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See? I thought for a second there you were going to take the high road. You know, show us how the conservatives on these forums are better than the spittle-spewing extremists. Oh well.
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Are you calling Harvey a "spittle-spewing extremist"? You might want to reconsider since....😉

CkG
 
americans shouldn't tolerate lawmakers that spew such ignorance. listening to santorum(sp) was disgusting. it was amazing how he based his arguements on false assumptions. like that hetero marriage would lose all meaning and fall apart just because gays get married. i guess heteros have abandoned marriage in all the countries that have legalized gay marriage right? course not. its amazing they get away with such infantile arguements. its like.... wheres your facts..statistics? show me a valid line of logic atleast.
don't tell me its bad because it just is😛

these hateful people have been on the wrong side of history time and time again. when will they learn.
 
Originally posted by: PsharkJF
constitutional amendments banning a cultural practice = bad thing
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I agree. It's not an issue of whether I agree with gay marriage or not, but I think that this is clearly an issue where the local communities (ie: states) should be able to decide for themselves.

what's right for the North East and West Coast may not be what's right for the Mid-West or South.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PsharkJF
constitutional amendments banning a cultural practice = bad thing
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I agree. It's not an issue of whether I agree with gay marriage or not, but I think that this is clearly an issue where the local communities (ie: states) should be able to decide for themselves.

what's right for the North East and West Coast may not be what's right for the Mid-West or South.
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the thing is that Massachusetts did not decide for themselves, rather the State justices decided for everyone...no vote, no nothing, just what they wanted....

While I don't think the ammendment is a good solution, I also don't think it is fair for the non elected officials to be making decisions that will effect the state as a whole...it should be decided by the people.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
americans shouldn't tolerate lawmakers that spew such ignorance. listening to santorum(sp) was disgusting. it was amazing how he based his arguements on false assumptions. like that hetero marriage would lose all meaning and fall apart just because gays get married. i guess heteros have abandoned marriage in all the countries that have legalized gay marriage right? course not. its amazing they get away with such infantile arguements. its like.... wheres your facts..statistics? show me a valid line of logic atleast.
don't tell me its bad because it just is😛

these hateful people have been on the wrong side of history time and time again. when will they learn.
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You can't listen to Santorum very long anyhow. He makes speaches like a nutter with an agenda! 😕

I got to listen to him during a repub fund raiser I was invited to.... and no I did not contribute. It was a freebee for me since I am good friends with the hosts.
 
heh, i'm not sure whats worse. that these people actually believe what they are saying, or that they will say such things to court voters.
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PsharkJF
constitutional amendments banning a cultural practice = bad thing
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I agree. It's not an issue of whether I agree with gay marriage or not, but I think that this is clearly an issue where the local communities (ie: states) should be able to decide for themselves.

what's right for the North East and West Coast may not be what's right for the Mid-West or South.
Click to expand...

the thing is that Massachusetts did not decide for themselves, rather the State justices decided for everyone...no vote, no nothing, just what they wanted....

While I don't think the ammendment is a good solution, I also don't think it is fair for the non elected officials to be making decisions that will effect the state as a whole...it should be decided by the people.
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Most people here in Mass don't give a sh!t one way or another about Gayt Marriages. It's just the few who always seem to be worried about other peoples business like the Deviant Catholic Church.
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PsharkJF
constitutional amendments banning a cultural practice = bad thing
Click to expand...

I agree. It's not an issue of whether I agree with gay marriage or not, but I think that this is clearly an issue where the local communities (ie: states) should be able to decide for themselves.

what's right for the North East and West Coast may not be what's right for the Mid-West or South.
Click to expand...

the thing is that Massachusetts did not decide for themselves, rather the State justices decided for everyone...no vote, no nothing, just what they wanted....

While I don't think the ammendment is a good solution, I also don't think it is fair for the non elected officials to be making decisions that will effect the state as a whole...it should be decided by the people.
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Actually, it should be decided by the courts. The way the our constitution designed the 3 powers is this. The Congress passes laws. The President is allowed to veto but then congress can re-pass the law (with higher requirements for it to pass) and then the Pres. can't veto it. Then people are arrested for breaking the law and go to court. The court then decides whether the law is constitutional or not. If they decide yes it stays a law, if they decide no it stays a law but everyone can break it and they won't get convicted. That's the whole idea of the court is to judge the legality of laws and how much each person broke them etc. But in the end the courts have the final say period. That's why the MOST important elections are for judges, just no one really knows.
 
Well I agree with everything except the "deviant Catholic Church" . . . now there certainly are deviants in the Catholic Church . . . but there are deviants in every world religion and amongst people that have no more religion than how much money they can make/steal.

One of my colleagues is a lesbian and her partner works at the University as well. They have an adorable 22 month old and live in a nice home in Paris of the South (if you don't know you don't matter). We have the same complaints about our spouse/partner, identical childcare issues, complain about the academic man trying to keep the little guy down, and worry about finding time to do everything that needs to be done.

I've NEVER imagined what her sex life is like . . . in part b/c just like the typical young academic . . . she doesn't have time for one. She loves her partner, her child, and enjoys most . . . OK . . . some aspects of her career.

If the Santorums, Frists, and Bushes of the world would just bind their own damn business . . . everybody's families would be stronger/better.

You want to strengthen families?
Fund better daycare (it's a great stress on families to find quality/affordable care)
Exempt the 1st 20k of income from FICA and remove the cap (most American families have not seen a boom from Bush tax policy)
Enact workplace rights to guarantee parents can take "necessary" time off to visit school or take care of their kids
Properly fund substance abuse treatment programs (particularly alcohol which has torn more families asunder than virtually anything else)
Make it harder to get married (and easier to get divorced)
Enact domestic partnerships/civil unions (for anyone that wants civil recognition of their committment to another)
Stop unnecessary wars that separate families for 12 months at a time

There's a lot government could do to strengthen families . . . banning gay marriage ain't one of them.
 
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