Senate Bill SB-2099

[XMan]

MadRat posted this in "hot deals"; I thought it was worthy of a larger audience.



<< Gun owners BEWARE Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our year 2000 &quot;1040&quot; Federal Tax Form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on 24Feb2000. This Bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986.

This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. >>



Go to this URL and search for SB-2099. It's in there. I almost thought this was one of those Internet e-mail tax jokes at first, but it's straight on true.

 

[thebestMAX]

Does this kind of thing suprise you?

Im sure all the bad guys will comply. Oh wait, They dont pay any taxes because they dont file.

We take it on the chin again.

 

[thebestMAX]

Does this kind of thing suprise you?

Im sure all the bad guys will comply. Oh wait, They dont pay any taxes because they dont file.

We take it on the chin again.

 

[XMan]

Actually, it doesn't surpise me at all.

Just another step in a long process.

 

[Buddha Bart]

wasn't the whole national-regestering thing beaten in some court case?
OR WAS IT JUST COMMON FVCKING SENSE!

bart

 

[thebestMAX]

Right about just another step in the process.

When Bill &amp; Hillary found out that they couldnt take over health care in their way, they just started another process.

Notice what Gore is beating on. Drug Companies. He said that they charge the highest prices nad make the biggest profits in the US all on the backs of the old people. He is going to change this. How????

Why are the same drugs so much cheaper in Canada, mexico and so on. Could it be taxes and Govt intervention? Same with gas prices. Look at the taxes on a gallon of gas and tell me where the real money is going.

 

[XMan]

I agree about the drug prices . . . the problem is, pharmaceutical companies spend billions on research and development. If you begin forcing their revenue down, R&amp;D will be reduced accordingly.

I think rather than addressing the drug prices, they need to look at the way that Medicare and Medicaid pay for things. My grandmother has Medicare AND supplemental insurance, and she still has to pay several hundred dollars a month to chip away at money she owes the hospital from bouts of illness. She is diabetic and has a very bad infection in her leg. Antibiotics won't touch it, but there is apparantly a new medicine which increases blood flow to the area and helps heal the injury. Guess what? It's experimental, so neither Medicare nor her insurance company will pay a dime for it. A bottle of pills costs $800.

 

[thebestMAX]

You are Right again especially about the R&amp;D problem.

Sorry about your Grandmother but again I think Govt is overstepping. It takes so long for a drug to be approved (read fear of lawsuits) that a lot of people who could benifit lose out. Why not an experimental drug if you have nothing to lose and understand the risks? Someone or thing has to be first.

 

[bigvince]

XEROXMAN

see thats what pisses me off so much about our goverment! while they go out and spend billions of dollars or bull$hit social programs (welfare,etc...) people like your grandmother have to suffer because they can't get the meds that they need. of course the govermant is not alone $800 for a bottle of pills! whats the mark up on that like 3000% there is no way that those pills can cost that much to manufacture that they would charge such an outrageous price.

 

[Napalm381]

bigvince, I agree that the pills do not cost 800 dollars a bottle to manufacture. However, manufacturing is only a small part of the cost of a drug. The real cost is in the development of a drug which can take many years, several billion dollars, and a lot of federal testing. The drug company needs to recoup the enormous cost of developing a drug, and charges a price that allows them to make back this money. If the government were to mandate lower prices, drug companies would not be as willing to research new drugs, and innovation in the drug market would decrease. So, you can have low prices, as long as you are willing to accept the fact that more people will die as a result.

 

[rahvin]

<<Look at the taxes on a gallon of gas and tell me where the real money is going>>

TEA21, This bill reauthorized the highway trust fund. All gasoline taxes are spent building transportation projects, with over 80% spent directly on highway projects (the remaining monies go almost entirely to transit but I believe some are spent on intermodal facilties and ports). Recent goals are to lower that to 60% highways, 40% transit.

 

[rahvin]

<<whats the mark up on that like 3000% there is no way that those pills can cost that much to manufacture that they would charge such an outrageous price.>>

The cost of a drug isn't just the cost to manufacture, you must also amortize the R&amp;D costs out over the life of the patent. Patents typically last 7-17 years, factor in R&amp;D costs and an acceptable ROR for the investors and that determines the drug cost. For example, Viagra cost $200million in R&amp;D, thats why it costs $10 a pill.

 

[I'm Typing]

First of all, I have two words:

URBAN LEGEND.

With the Republican Congress, a bill like this is going to reach the floor???? Puhleese. How stupid do you think we are?

 

[BoberFett]

What are you talking about I'm Typing? You're looking more and more like a fool every time you post.

Senate Bill 2099

Get your facts straight.

 

[Napalm381]

A quote from the summary of the bill on the page Boberfett posted:


<< Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000 - Amends chapter 53 (Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, and Certain Other Firearms) of the Internal Revenue Code to, among other things: (1) require the registration of handguns in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record; (2) provide for the sharing of registration information with Federal, State and local law enforcement agencies; and (3) provide for the imposition of the five dollar transfer tax on handguns and a $50 tax upon the making of each handgun. >>



Research a bit before you denounce something, I'm Typing.

 

[woodie1]

Call me a little slow, but if this is true I would think the NRA would be screaming bloody murder. How come there hasn't been a huge outcry from them over this?

C. Heston, where are you when we need you?

 

[thebestMAX]

Im with Bobberfett on this one but I also think that Im Typing is either 2 people or has a split personality. They say &quot;how stupid do you think we are?&quot;

OK, OK the royal we yeah yeah. Just joking. lighten up.

 

[DaBoneHead]

Let me antagonize you all here...

anything that gets guns off the streets and into the incinerator is fine by me...

maybe then there will be fewer accidental deaths and woundings. And maybe just maybe, it will make it harder for a few disgruntled high school kids to whack 13 of their fellow students...

I grew up with a cop for a father, and my own opinion is that only 1 out ever 4 (maybe higher) gun owners are responsible enough to actually keep them.

People good, guns bad. And when bad people get good guns, tragedy happens.

 

[Underclocked]

&quot;DaBoneHead&quot; - truly fitting. I'm sure the criminal element will just stumble all over themselves to comply with this new &quot;law&quot;.

 

[DaBoneHead]

Well, like I said, I was going to antagonize ya'll...

Of course, that's why we are all free to express our opinions, and no, we most certainly don't have to agree.

The funny thing is, when I was 15 (15 years ago), I was a huntin', gun shooting, truck driving, republican, red-neck.

Today: Vegetarian, anti-gun, liberal, sport-coup drivin', corporate kinda guy.

Where did I go wrong!

Must have been when I went to college...

 

[thebestMAX]

An admission like that in Texas could get you in BIG trouble.
You are probably right about College though. Most academians are as bad as the actors in Hollywood. UH, Oh, here it comes.

Said it before, will say it again:

Self Discipline, training and responsibility go hand in hand with gun ownership. Havent shot anyone myself lately but am sure tempted all the time.

Dont want to see the bad guys with the only weapons nor the police and Govt either.

 

[Napalm381]

College doesn't ruin everybody...I've been here for 2 years and haven't changed my libertarian-leaning political views a bit.

 

[thebestMAX]

Only 2 years??

And In Ames? You havent sobered up long enough to go to classes yet.

Heh, Heh, I know.

 

[XMan]

<< anything that gets guns off the streets and into the incinerator is fine by me... >>



And what will you do in 40 years when you live in a totalitarian nation? Don't get me wrong, I'm not against gun control. I think licensing, registration, waiting periods, and background checks are all good things if implemented properly. But when there are tens of thousands of gun control laws on the books, and lawmakers want to keep piling them on, something has to give. Little by little our rights are being taken away, and sooner or later, something has to give.

You know how they say that history is the best predictor of the future?

&quot;Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.&quot;
Mahatma Gandhi

&quot;The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.&quot;[/b]
Thomas Jefferson

&quot;Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?&quot;
Patrick Henry

&quot;An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.&quot;
Robert A. Heinlein

 

[chess9]

DaBoneHead:

My father was also a cop, and I'm anti-gun as well. I think you were overgenerous in your estimation of the gun owning population that should actually be allowed to have guns. I'd say it's more like 1 in 10 has the emotional stability, training, and intelligence to own a weapon. Dumb gun owners kill more people each year than all the felons. Grind 'em all up and feed 'em to the right wing Republicans.