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Senate Approves Telco Amnesty, Legalizes Bush's Secret Spy Program

I hate what this country is becoming. Every time we toss our civil liberties aside in order to feel "safer," we allow the terrorists to win. Meh. :|

Senate Approves Telco Amnesty, Legalizes Bush's Secret Spy Program

The Senate overwhelming voted Tuesday evening to legalize President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program and grant amnesty to the phone companies that helped out with the domestic spying..

The 68 to 29 vote is a major step in radically re-configuring 30 year-old limits on how the nation's spying services operate inside America's borders. The vote also deals a severe blow to civil liberties groups that are suing companies such as AT&T and Verizon for turning over millions of American's phone records to the government, and for helping the government wiretap American's phone and internet communications without a court order.

The bill, which expires in six years, allows the government to install permanent wiretapping outposts in telephone and internet facilities inside the United States without a warrant. However, if those wiretaps are used to target Americans inside or outside of the country, the government would have to get a court order. However, if the target is a foreigner or a foreign corporation, and they call an American or an American calls them, no warrant is required.

Prior to this summer, the intelligence community was forbidden by law from wiretapping phone and internet switches inside the United States, unless they had a particular target in mind and applied for a court order from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. That court largely rubber stamps such applications -- it approved 2,072 in 2005 and required modifications to only 61 of those.

But government spies say the paperwork is too onerous and that the process is ill-fitted to the wider surveillance the president launched in October 2001.

Before the changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act becomes law, however, the Senate must reconcile it with a corresponding bill from the House.

Currently the House bill, known as the Restore Act, more sharply limits the government's authority to spy inside the United States without a warrant. It also does not include a telecom amnesty provision. The House now faces the option of adopting the Senate's version, or horse-trading immunity for more limits on the nation's spooks.

Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Connecticut), one of the bill's most outspoken opponents, had vowed to filibuster the bill, but that opportunity was lost Tuesday with a cloture vote that limited debate on the final bill to just four hours. Dodd's filibuster threat worked to delay passage in December, but on Tuesday, he told reporters it was time for the debate to move to the House.

"You run out of string on these things," Dodd said.

"I'd just as soon have this go to the House floor. I'm going to move this thing along. We are not getting anywhere here," Dodd said, referring to the Democrat-controlled Senate where his amendment to remove immunity needed 20 more votes to pass.

This summer the Congress reacted to extreme statements from the Administration and gave the government wide powers to spy inside America with the passage of the Protect America Act in August.

But that bill was set to expire on Feb.1., and through a short term extension early this month, now expires on Feb. 16.

Republicans and the White House oppose another extension and hope the time crunch will force the House to abandon its bill and simply adopt the Senate version as its own.

Immunity opponents, such as Electronic Frontier Foundation attorney Kevin Bankston, hope the House will stand firm.

"It's time for Speaker Pelosi to draw a line the sand, and make clear to the president that this House of Representatives is never going to pass any bill that includes immunity for lawbreaking telecoms," Bankston said.

The administration says that its surveillance program that targeted Americans and foreigners using facilities and services based in the United States was legal. Administration lawyers cite as justification, both the Authorization to Use Military Force to attack Al Qaeda and the president's war-making powers under the Consitution.

Opponents and even former Justice Department lawyer Jack Goldsmith says those arguments are flimsy, and that the president's wartime powers to wiretap inside the United States are curtailed by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Though the administration initially admitted that the existence of the wiretapping program after a December 2005 story in the New York Times, it has refused to disclose the extent of the operation. Officials have repeatedly denied the program is a "dragnet" that searches communications for keywords.

But statements from administration figures over the past year suggest the program is closer to a vacuum cleaner that sucks in communications and stores them in bulk. Those statements suggest many of the sucked-in communications aren't ever looked at but are available for data-mining and social networking analysis -- and inspection by NSA analysts based on that analysis or other evidence.

Under the bill passed by the Senate today, the government could order companies such as AT&T or Google to turn over all phone calls and emails where one party is reasonably believed to be outside the United States.

The Senate also shot down a proposal from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) to include strong language affirming that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was the only way that the government could spy on Americans. That amendment got 57 votes, but due to an agreement by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) that amendment had to get 60 votes to pass.

If the immunity provision is passed into law, the Attorney General can write a letter to the judges overseeing the anti-warrantless wiretapping suit and have them dismissed. Once that happens, expect that the plaintiffs, such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, will challenge the immunity provision as unconstitutional.

Full vote tally.

Democrats voting for the bill:
Evan Bayh (D-IN), Tom Carper (D-DE), Robert Casey (D-PA), Kent Conrad (D-ND), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Joe Lieberman (ID-CT), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Jim Webb (D-VA), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

All Republican senators voted for the bill, except for Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) who did not vote.

Democrats voting against the bill:
Daniel Akaka (D-HI), Joe Biden (D-DE), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Robert Byrd (D-WV), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ben Cardin (D-MD), Chris Dodd (D-CT), Byron Dorgan (D-ND), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Russ Feingold (D-WI), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), John Kerry (D-MA), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Pat Leahy (D-VT), Carl Levin (D-MI), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Patty Murray (D-WA), Jack Reed (D-RI), Harry Reid (D-NV), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), John Tester (D-MT), Ron Wyden (D-OR)

Neither Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-New York) nor Sen. Barack Obama (D-Illinois) voted on the bill, though Obama did vote earlier in the day to support removing telecom immunity.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok...2/senate-approves.html

Note that ALL Republican senators voted for this bill (except Graham-SC, who did not vote), at least some of the Dems have the balls to try and block this invasive crap.
 
Well, in Israel you don't own your records. The government can do whatever it wants with them and give you a dildo to play with.
"Legal"? Heh, who cares about the law as long as you're a friend of a friend...
 
Wow. Bush's secret spy program. I'm scared to death that the NSA might accidentally hear me tell my wife that I already put that load of laundry in the dryer or that the local fish market has some really nice Ahi tuna available.
 
So if I befriend a British exchange student the government can monitor my calls to him or her without a warrant? All senators voting for this bill went into a permanent shit pile as far as I'm concerned.
 
It just takes a few defecting democrats and a lockstep GOP to force passage in the Senate.
Its going to be tougher sledding in the in the house. Hopefully the house will say no. If not, the next democratic congress can kill it well before 2012. I have mixed feeling on the telco immunity, why make shareholders liable for the actions of their nutty executives? Cut to the chase and rewrite the law so that the CEO or the person responsible goes to jail if they violate privacy laws.

Even then the President has to be irresponsible for the law to become a giant privacy danger. And thanks to the American voter, it looks like the next President will be far more rational than GWB.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
So if I befriend a British exchange student the government can monitor my calls to him or her without a warrant? All senators voting for this bill went into a permanent shit pile as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Farang
So if I befriend a British exchange student the government can monitor my calls to him or her without a warrant? All senators voting for this bill went into a permanent shit pile as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

Because I've seen this a few times in this thread.. please tell me you're all in on some kind of joke? Please?
 
It's worth taking a step back and recalling that all of this is the result of the December, 2005 story by the New York Times which first reported that the Bush administration was illegally spying on Americans for many years without warrants of any kind. All sorts of "controversy" erupted from that story. Democrats everywhere expressed dramatic, unbridled outrage, vowing that this would not stand. James Risen and Eric Lichtblau were awarded Pulitzer Prizes for exposing this serious lawbreaking. All sorts of Committees were formed, papers written, speeches given, conferences convened, and editorials published to denounce this extreme abuse of presidential power. This was illegality and corruption at the highest level of government, on the grandest scale, and of the most transparent strain. What was the outcome of all of that sturm und drang? What were the consequences for the President for having broken the law so deliberately and transparently?

Absolutely nothing.

To the contrary, the Senate is about to enact a bill which has two simple purposes: (1) to render retroactively legal the President's illegal spying program by legalizing its crux: warrantless eavesdropping on Americans, and (2) to stifle forever the sole remaining avenue for finding out what the Government did and obtaining a judicial ruling as to its legality: namely, the lawsuits brought against the co-conspiring telecoms. In other words, the only steps taken by our political class upon exposure by the NYT of this profound lawbreaking is to endorse it all and then suppress any and all efforts to investigate it and subject it to the rule of law.
 
Originally posted by: superstition
It's worth taking a step back and recalling that all of this is the result of the December, 2005 story by the New York Times which first reported that the Bush administration was illegally spying on Americans for many years without warrants of any kind. All sorts of "controversy" erupted from that story. Democrats everywhere expressed dramatic, unbridled outrage, vowing that this would not stand. James Risen and Eric Lichtblau were awarded Pulitzer Prizes for exposing this serious lawbreaking. All sorts of Committees were formed, papers written, speeches given, conferences convened, and editorials published to denounce this extreme abuse of presidential power. This was illegality and corruption at the highest level of government, on the grandest scale, and of the most transparent strain. What was the outcome of all of that sturm und drang? What were the consequences for the President for having broken the law so deliberately and transparently?

Absolutely nothing.

To the contrary, the Senate is about to enact a bill which has two simple purposes: (1) to render retroactively legal the President's illegal spying program by legalizing its crux: warrantless eavesdropping on Americans, and (2) to stifle forever the sole remaining avenue for finding out what the Government did and obtaining a judicial ruling as to its legality: namely, the lawsuits brought against the co-conspiring telecoms. In other words, the only steps taken by our political class upon exposure by the NYT of this profound lawbreaking is to endorse it all and then suppress any and all efforts to investigate it and subject it to the rule of law.

This makes me very curious, as someone who isn't a lawyer.. how is retroactive immunity constitutional? So the legislature could go on a killing spree and afterwards declare their actions retroactively immune? It seems to me that on the surface this is a case of Congress taking the power from the hands of the judiciary.
 
I can understand the amnesty/immunity... but the fact that they legalized the rest of the program as-is is fairly disappointing.
 
What else has to come out of Washington for you guys to wake up? Politicians DO NOT have YOU in mind, they have their POWER and their SEAT in Congress/Senate to think about, and that my friends is the ONLY thing they are worried about.
 
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Politicians DO NOT have YOU in mind, they have their POWER and their SEAT in Congress/Senate to think about, and that my friends is the ONLY thing they are worried about.

every one of 'em, huh? 😉
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I hate what this country is becoming. Every time we toss our civil liberties aside in order to feel "safer," we allow the terrorists to win. Meh. :|

Senate Approves Telco Amnesty, Legalizes Bush's Secret Spy Program

What is Clinton or Obama going to do about this, besides continue to demand government grow bigger and more powerful?

The American people have no peaceful solution to these crimes.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Politicians DO NOT have YOU in mind, they have their POWER and their SEAT in Congress/Senate to think about, and that my friends is the ONLY thing they are worried about.

every one of 'em, huh? 😉

You know better 😉
 
As usual, my favorite blogger, Glenn Greenwald, has some excellent commentary on this.

Link

Excerpt:

The long, hard efforts by AT&T, Verizon and their all-star, bipartisan cast of lobbyists to grease the wheels of the Senate -- led by former Bush 41 Attorney General William Barr and former Clinton Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick -- are about to pay huge dividends, as such noble efforts invariably do with our political establishment.

It's worth taking a step back and recalling that all of this is the result of the December, 2005 story by the New York Times which first reported that the Bush administration was illegally spying on Americans for many years without warrants of any kind. All sorts of "controversy" erupted from that story. Democrats everywhere expressed dramatic, unbridled outrage, vowing that this would not stand. James Risen and Eric Lichtblau were awarded Pulitzer Prizes for exposing this serious lawbreaking. All sorts of Committees were formed, papers written, speeches given, conferences convened, and editorials published to denounce this extreme abuse of presidential power. This was illegality and corruption at the highest level of government, on the grandest scale, and of the most transparent strain.

What was the outcome of all of that sturm und drang? What were the consequences for the President for having broken the law so deliberately and transparently? Absolutely nothing. To the contrary, the Senate is about to enact a bill which has two simple purposes: (1) to render retroactively legal the President's illegal spying program by legalizing its crux: warrantless eavesdropping on Americans, and (2) to stifle forever the sole remaining avenue for finding out what the Government did and obtaining a judicial ruling as to its legality: namely, the lawsuits brought against the co-conspiring telecoms. In other words, the only steps taken by our political class upon exposure by the NYT of this profound lawbreaking is to endorse it all and then suppress any and all efforts to investigate it and subject it to the rule of law.

He has a link up to petition the House to vote down the amnesty, I recommend you ask your congressman to vote against it:

Here
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

Summed up.
I don't tend to have al Qaeda on speed dial. You?

What part of the rule of law being overruled when lawbreaking is given a pass are you not understanding?

Whatever your views on the issue, it was illegal, and you should be concerned about the government ignoring the law, and getting businesses to do the same.

If you can't understand that, you are not an American in principle, IMO.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

Summed up.
I don't tend to have al Qaeda on speed dial. You?

What part of the rule of law being overruled when lawbreaking is given a pass are you not understanding?

Whatever your views on the issue, it was illegal, and you should be concerned about the government ignoring the law, and getting businesses to do the same.

If you can't understand that, you are not an American in principle, IMO.

There are a lot of people that should no longer claim to be an American.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

Summed up.
I don't tend to have al Qaeda on speed dial. You?

What part of the rule of law being overruled when lawbreaking is given a pass are you not understanding?

Whatever your views on the issue, it was illegal, and you should be concerned about the government ignoring the law, and getting businesses to do the same.

If you can't understand that, you are not an American in principle, IMO.
He's willing to give up some freedoms to be safer.
 
If Bush&Cheney want to know what I think of them, they don't need to tap my telephone, they can read what I think of them on P&N.
 
For all those that have the "As long as you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" mentality

Speaking out against or criticizing high ranking politicians, business leaders, or any one else in power can be construed as doing something wrong.
 
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