Senate approves Social Security for illegals

[Aisengard]

Haha, yeah, if there was identity theft, where 10 people use the same card, where would the money go to? The real person, using their money, duh. If they used stolen cards, how do they get the money?

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Tom
If you rob a bank you are taking someone else's money. This issue is about people who paid into a system with their own money.

No, social security is not paid by the employee. They did not pay a dime into the system. Social Security is paid in by the employer and has nothing to do with the employee's wages, salary, or any other form of compesatory exchange. The employer is the one that has the burden to pay in to the Social Security fund. Period.

The whole idea that they paid is wrong. The idea they are part of the system is wrong. They are forgers and cons for participating in our economy using faked credentials.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Tom
If you rob a bank you are taking someone else's money. This issue is about people who paid into a system with their own money.

No, social security is not paid by the employee. They did not pay a dime into the system. Social Security is paid in by the employer and has nothing to do with the employee's wages, salary, or any other form of compesatory exchange. The employer is the one that has the burden to pay in to the Social Security fund. Period.

The whole idea that they paid is wrong. The idea they are part of the system is wrong. They are forgers and cons for participating in our economy using faked credentials.

Actually, SS is paid by both employee and employer.

 

[blackllotus]

I don't think most people who've posted on this thread understand. Illegals are not getting any benefit from this amendment. Only legal citizens who used to be illegal. I don't see why people find this to be such a big deal.

 

[Xcobra]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Tom
If you rob a bank you are taking someone else's money. This issue is about people who paid into a system with their own money.

No, social security is not paid by the employee. They did not pay a dime into the system. Social Security is paid in by the employer and has nothing to do with the employee's wages, salary, or any other form of compesatory exchange. The employer is the one that has the burden to pay in to the Social Security fund. Period.

The whole idea that they paid is wrong. The idea they are part of the system is wrong. They are forgers and cons for participating in our economy using faked credentials.

apparently youve never worked in your life

 

[JacobJ]

dmn those fvcking illegals I hop etheyall burn!!!!111!!!!1111!1! How dare they!

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: techs
Read the article. It is hugely misleading and incomplete.
Pay attention:
The Ensign amendment would undermine the work of these people by preventing lawfully present immigrant workers from claiming Social Security benefits that they earned before they were authorized to work in our community
Based on this amendment they are talking about LEGAL immigrants who paid into SS before they became legal. Not illegals who never became legal.
There is something very fishy about this article.

I agree. . .it is a pretty weak argument in support of this bill. How many currently legal aliens actually fall into this category percentage-wise? I'd guess not that many. And actually. . it makes perfect sense to me that those that DO fall into this category should NOT be able to collect benefits for wages they earned while they were illegal.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
If that causes my personal SS payments to go down, when I retire, I'm gonna kick bush in the bush.
That is just wrong!
Those who are getting benefits, had better have paid in. This is America, not Free ride America.

Actually it is free-ride America for lots of poor or lazy American born citizens. But the benefits should be for our own lazy degenerates, not all of Mexico, South America, and Cuba.

 

[BoomerD]

It'll still be interesting to see how this plays out, considering that so many use forged SS#'s. Who will get the $$ that they allegedly paid into the system, if the account # is phony? How will they prove how much they paid in? Check stubs (if given might not be legal proof, since the documents were forged, who's to say the payroll wasn't phonied as well...

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: magomago
Why not just legalize every one of them, along with legalizing everyone currently in the process, and everyone rejected legally in the past ten years, and extending the potential of legalizing those who came to study and left because their visas expired. Seems like a much better plan and simplifies things.

Actually, why don't we just do away with all our immigration laws and procedures? And lets not call ourselves the United States of America any more either. Lets just dissolve the borders and call our country Any Man's Land.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Haha, yeah, if there was identity theft, where 10 people use the same card, where would the money go to? The real person, using their money, duh. If they used stolen cards, how do they get the money?

More likely, if they were successful and thorough in their identity theft, the real person's SS benefits would go to the fraud.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Tom
If you rob a bank you are taking someone else's money. This issue is about people who paid into a system with their own money.

No, social security is not paid by the employee. They did not pay a dime into the system. Social Security is paid in by the employer and has nothing to do with the employee's wages, salary, or any other form of compesatory exchange. The employer is the one that has the burden to pay in to the Social Security fund. Period.

The whole idea that they paid is wrong. The idea they are part of the system is wrong. They are forgers and cons for participating in our economy using faked credentials.

Actually, SS is paid by both employee and employer.

People can claim all they want that they pay in directly, but only the self-employed and victims of a bad employer pay in directly. As an employee of any responsible employer you never actually recieved the money, so its not coming out of your pocket. Technically only the self-employed - and if your employer folds shop without paying you could be stuck too - pay in due to the way its collected.

Otherwise you as an employee are paying indirectly yet another tax against your income. Only in the extreme case would you pay in directly as an employee. If you overpay your "share" of the SS burden, say by working multiple jobs, then you can apply for a refund for any overpayments against your own income.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
It'll still be interesting to see how this plays out, considering that so many use forged SS#'s. Who will get the $$ that they allegedly paid into the system, if the account # is phony? How will they prove how much they paid in? Check stubs (if given might not be legal proof, since the documents were forged, who's to say the payroll wasn't phonied as well...

Good points. It looks like you have to prove a violation of law to collect. Any laws calling for self incrimination is generally frowned upon by the courts.

 

[Aisengard]

But, that's what happens. You have an income, SS gets taken out of it automatically. It's not really very different than income tax, except that income tax most of the time isn't automatic.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Tom
If you rob a bank you are taking someone else's money. This issue is about people who paid into a system with their own money.

No, social security is not paid by the employee. They did not pay a dime into the system. Social Security is paid in by the employer and has nothing to do with the employee's wages, salary, or any other form of compesatory exchange. The employer is the one that has the burden to pay in to the Social Security fund. Period.

The whole idea that they paid is wrong. The idea they are part of the system is wrong. They are forgers and cons for participating in our economy using faked credentials.

You're completely wrong about who pays payroll taxes. Here is how it works. A person does some work for an employer, to compensate the employee for the work, the employer pays the employee wages. There is a law that a percentage of those wages has to be paid in Social Security and Medicare taxes. Part of this tax is paid directly out of the employee's paycheck, and part of it is paid indirectly, but still as a tax on that person's compensation. Both parts are funded by the income generated by that person's work.

It is nothing like robbing a bank.

As to the particulars, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. When you label them as "forgers and cons", you could be violating the laws of the United States. 😉

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
But, that's what happens. You have an income, SS gets taken out of it automatically. It's not really very different than income tax, except that income tax most of the time isn't automatic.

You've basically made my point. If its not voluntary and its not directly paid then its not something the employee has truly lost. It never was there money to begin with in the eyes of the government.

 

[zendari]

Yup, people really want these democrats in power! :roll:

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They should just take the word illegal out of the dictionary, none of them seem to understand the meaning of the word anyway.

Not the Democratic party anyway; selling out America 1 mexican at a time.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The House will never agree and I hope Bush would never sign. FVCKING IDIOTS!

I fear they will just baste us with a dosing of double talk/ political correctness and pass it right on through with some warm and fuzzy tagline.

Welcome to the Pan Americain Union. Our sovernity is being sold/voted away from right under our feet.

 

[fitzov]

If its not voluntary and its not directly paid then its not something the employee has truly lost.

Cool. Let's increase the payroll tax to 80% of gross.

 

[Snoop]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
It'll still be interesting to see how this plays out, considering that so many use forged SS#'s. Who will get the $$ that they allegedly paid into the system, if the account # is phony? How will they prove how much they paid in? Check stubs (if given might not be legal proof, since the documents were forged, who's to say the payroll wasn't phonied as well...

This is exactly what I am wondering. How in the phuck are they going to figure out who made what? ... What would stop one of these now legals from claiming they worked under sheitloads of different aliases and collect for all of them? Is the gov going to hire a team of investigators to figure this out on a per person basis, because I could see each individual case taking months. Thats assuming its even possible!

 

[Puffnstuff]

See crime does pay.

 

[IdaGno]

When I was a kid, there was an American flag on a stand in the corner of the school room and each and every school day beagan w/the recital of The Pledge of Allegiance, after which, we would sing, My Country,' tis of thee.

Participation was *NOT* voluntary.

As a small child, I used to wonder, "What's this all about?", cuz it felt just like being in church on Sundays. In that moment of insight, my uninformed little mind had made a profound connection: these things, too, are sacred.

Ahh, but that was then & this is now & our world has turned to ******. Yes. Crime does pay & we've been lied to about many things.

 

[Jadow]

Can somebody please kick the idiots who voted for this crap out?

Agreed, we need to clean house in congress, both sides. And now more than ever I think we need term limits

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: Jadow
Can somebody please kick the idiots who voted for this crap out?

Agreed, we need to clean house in congress, both sides. And now more than ever I think we need term limits

I don't think we *need* term limits, we just need a citizenship that cares enough to vote.

 

[Shuxclams]

I beleive this is an amendment to the ImmiLaw being worked on in the senate.... This would provide the means for the worker program as far as restitution for thier being here illegally. So sure they "could" get some money for thier previous SS contributions, after they pay the fine/debt. I am sure you will see that added to this before its all a pretty new anti-darker skinned person law.








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