Sen. Sinema chased into and videoed in bathroom by leftists

[imported_tajmahal]

First: please find better sources. Those are hyperpartisan hacks.

Second: the sheer amount of distortion and outright falsehood in those stories is ridiculous. Waters, Booker and others weren't calling for violence, they were clearly calling for protests; when they talked about civil unrest following if Mueller were booted, that was just a logical prediction of what would happen, not a call to action.

That's not to say the left never crosses the line; of course it does. But those sources are very clearly reaching, desperately trying to turn calls for protest and prediction of unrest into explicit calls for violence. And at last check, a Democrat President has never called on supporters to explicitly rough someone up like Trump has, fostered sedition or praised people after/during a violent event (like the "nice people" neo-Nazis or the Jan. 6th seditionists).

For that matter, why the hell do you even think you have ground to stand on? So long as you support the current crop of Republicans, which support Trump, you wholeheartedly endorse violence. You oppose violence? Reject all Republicans until they abandon Trump.

As soon as you reject all Democrats.

 

[HomerJS]

You mean like :

Here are six videos of Democrats calling for violence or physical confrontations that are still active on Twitter

Videos of Democrats during the Trump administration calling for their supporters to confront Republicans physically or warning of “civil unrest” on the

www.washingtonexaminer.com

20 Liberal Calls For Violence Against Conservatives in Quotes

townhall.com

Your assholes also call for violence, don't pretend your shit doesn't stink.

confront is not violence
civil unrest is not violence
take a punch - throw a punch (self defense)
Don't run away - punch him in the face (metaphor of how to handle a bully)

The only one I'll give you is Eric Holder

Remember during one of Trump's rallies the actually physically attacked a protestor.

Also Trump committed violence against peaceful lawful protesters in DC. He had them gassed and shot.

Now tell me again who is the purveyor of violence? Want to know how I know it?

How many acts of violence in the name of Donald Trump have been committed? Hundreds possibly thousands including Jan 6
How many acts of violence in the name of Joe Biden have been committed? Zero
How many acts of violence in the name of Nancy Pelosi have been committed? Zero
How many acts of violence in the name of Barack Obama have been committed? Zero
How many acts of violence in the name of Chuck Schumer have been committed? Zero

 

[Commodus]

Search out your own if you don't like mine.

No, stop foisting responsibility on other people and please do better. You're never going to improve if you keep turning to hyperpartisan sites that fail basic objectivity and fact-checking tests. And if you notice that reasonably objective outlets aren't repeating the same story (and they aren't here)... that's probably a sign those hyperpartisan outlets aren't telling the truth.

 

[Commodus]

As soon as you reject all Democrats.

Don't equivocate, please. You know damn well calls to violence are much more of a problem on the right (mainly due to Trump) than the left.

And if you want to stick to Republicans, here's an easy solution: promise to explicitly condemn Trump and any Republican who endorses or defends him. Then we'll know you actually have some scruples.

 

[Homerboy]

Just out of curiosity, and I don't know the answer to this (I can take a pretty good guess I bet), but when was the last time she met with her constituents at a town hall or similar?

 

[HomerJS]

Just out of curiosity, and I don't know the answer to this (I can take a pretty good guess I bet), but when was the last time she met with her constituents at a town hall or similar?

Monday I listed to a radio show where residents of AZ called in. She doesn't meet with constituents and does not do town halls

 

[K1052]

Monday I listed to a radio show where residents of AZ called in. She doesn't meet with constituents and does not do town halls

This is a very valid criticism of her behavior. She is consistently elusive to voters, her constituents, and the press. Ultimately it is hard to shake the impression that she is a really strange person and does not feel any obligation to any of them to explain herself or what she is doing on their behalf. If you don't want to talk to people fine, don't run for Congress.

Some WV people rowed up to Manchin's houseboat on kayaks and he came out and had a conversation with them and took their meeting the next day. Even if he didn't tell them something they wanted to hear he at least respected them.

 

[Pohemi]

This is a very valid criticism of her behavior. She is consistently elusive to voters, her constituents, and the press. Ultimately it is hard to shake the impression that she is a really strange person and does not feel any obligation to any of them to explain herself or what she is doing on their behalf. If you don't want to talk to people fine, don't run for Congress.

I get the feeling that her attitude and internal dialogue is very similar to this...

 

[MrSquished]

This is a very valid criticism of her behavior. She is consistently elusive to voters, her constituents, and the press. Ultimately it is hard to shake the impression that she is a really strange person and does not feel any obligation to any of them to explain herself or what she is doing on their behalf. If you don't want to talk to people fine, don't run for Congress.

Some WV people rowed up to Manchin's houseboat on kayaks and he came out and had a conversation with them and took their meeting the next day. Even if he didn't tell them something they wanted to hear he at least respected them.

I saw that about Manchin, and while it's good he did the bare minimum and spoke with them, I thought the whole thing was pretty symbolic.

Rich old white dude on big ass quarter of a million dollar yacht, talking down to the little people below in kayaks why we couldn't give old people dental, vision and hearing healthcare with Medicare because he didn't want to spend the money (while of course being against taxing corporations). That subject literally came up and he literally said we couldn't afford to give seniors basic healthcare. From his big boat. To the little kayaks.

You just can't get more symbolic than that about moderate to conservative political thought in this country.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

No, stop foisting responsibility on other people and please do better. You're never going to improve if you keep turning to hyperpartisan sites that fail basic objectivity and fact-checking tests. And if you notice that reasonably objective outlets aren't repeating the same story (and they aren't here)... that's probably a sign those hyperpartisan outlets aren't telling the truth.

You mean the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian? I agree that those hyperpartisan outlets don't usually tell the truth.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Monday I listed to a radio show where residents of AZ called in. She doesn't meet with constituents and does not do town halls

How can anyone possibly distrust a talk radio call in show?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Don't equivocate, please. You know damn well calls to violence are much more of a problem on the right (mainly due to Trump) than the left.

And if you want to stick to Republicans, here's an easy solution: promise to explicitly condemn Trump and any Republican who endorses or defends him. Then we'll know you actually have some scruples.

The calls for violence started long before Trump was ever on the map. Do you remember Nixon? Reagan? Bush ? and the violent calls against them. Fuck you and fuck your false claims that incivilty or violence in politics begins and ends with Trump.

Remember this ? I do.

The Bombings Across America That We've 'Forgotten'

And what has changed since

time.com

"It may be hard to recall now, but there was a time when most Americans were decidedly more blasé about bombing attacks. This was during the 1970s, when protest bombings in America were commonplace, especially in hard-hit cities like New York, Chicago and San Francisco. Nearly a dozen radical underground groups, dimly remembered outfits such as the Weather Underground, the New World Liberation Front and the Symbionese Liberation Army, set off hundreds of bombs during that tumultuous decade—so many, in fact, that many people all but accepted them as a part of daily life. As one woman sniffed to a New York Post reporter after an attack by a Puerto Rican independence group in 1977: “Oh, another bombing? Who is it this time?’”

 

[HomerJS]

How can anyone possibly distrust a talk radio call in show?

Hey stupid, town halls are public record. It would be pretty easy to verify.

Oh look
Audio Reveals Kyrsten Sinema Saying She Wants to Hear from Constituents. She Got Her Wish (newsweek.com)

Sinema hasn't said much, if anything, publicly about what she does and doesn't support in the legislation. She's not hosting press conferences or town halls, and she isn't talking to reporters in the halls of the Capitol.

 

[MrSquished]

The calls for violence started long before Trump was ever on the map. Do you remember Nixon? Reagan? Bush ? and the violent calls against them. Fuck you and fuck your false claims that incivilty or violence in politics begins and ends with Trump.

It's 2021, Nixon is long gone.

And no, leftist extremists did not try to overthrow the government even back in the day. And violent righties, they are not extremist, they are a big chunk of your shit party, twice as many GQP conspiracy loons think violence might be necessary vs Dems. And the GQP'ers are coming from a loony conspiracy land of the election was stolen, so the Dems kinda have a point that we may have to protect ourselves from fascists at least:

After the Ballots are Counted: Conspiracies, Political Violence, and American Exceptionalism - The Survey Center on American Life

The January 2021 American Perspectives Survey looks at post-election sentiments, beliefs in conspiracies, attitudes toward political violence, political segregation, and general feelings toward the United States.

www.americansurveycenter.org

"More than one in three (36 percent) Americans agree with the statement: “The traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.” Six in 10 (60 percent) Americans reject the idea that the use of force is necessary, but there is significant partisan disagreement on this question.

A majority (56 percent) of Republicans support the use of force as a way to arrest the decline of the traditional American way of life. Forty-three percent of Republicans express opposition to this idea. Significantly fewer independents (35 percent) and Democrats (22 percent) say the use of force is necessary to stop the disappearance of traditional American values and way of life."

 

[VW MAN]

You mean the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian? I agree that those hyperpartisan outlets don't usually tell the truth.

Hey bitch-boy provide examples of those publications knowingly lying about things. Not errors that were later corrected, but known falsehoods done on purpose.

 

[K1052]

I saw that about Manchin, and while it's good he did the bare minimum and spoke with them, I thought the whole thing was pretty symbolic.

Rich old white dude on big ass quarter of a million dollar yacht, talking down to the little people below in kayaks why we couldn't give old people dental, vision and hearing healthcare with Medicare because he didn't want to spend the money (while of course being against taxing corporations). That subject literally came up and he literally said we couldn't afford to give seniors basic healthcare. From his big boat. To the little kayaks.

You just can't get more symbolic than that about moderate to conservative political thought in this country.

Manchin actually is much more agreeable to raising corporate and high income taxes. As for his views on social spending in general I won't defend him in the slightest, especially since he hails from a state that would basically be an empty husk without federal spending.

My comments were more about how much of an anomaly Sinema is in Congress with how she interacts with constituents and the press (or doesn't more accurately). Some people are trying to compare her to McCain and they aren't the least bit similar because you literally could not shut McCain up even if you opposed what he was saying and he routinely talked to voters. She seems to view any accountability to the people who elected her, the American people at large via the press, and the general expectations of her job as beneath her.

 

[MrSquished]

Manchin actually is much more agreeable to raising corporate and high income taxes. As for his views on social spending in general I won't defend him in the slightest, especially since he hails from a state that would basically be an empty husk without federal spending.

My comments were more about how much of an anomaly Sinema is in Congress with how she interacts with constituents and the press (or doesn't more accurately). Some people are trying to compare her to McCain and they aren't the least bit similar because you literally could not shut McCain up even if you opposed what he was saying and he routinely talked to voters. She seems to view any accountability to the people who elected her, the American people at large via the press, and the general expectations of her job as beneath her.

I agree. But regardless, the symbolism of Manchin talking down from his big expensive boat about how we can't afford to give seniors basic healthcare is really rich.

 

[Commodus]

You mean the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian? I agree that those hyperpartisan outlets don't usually tell the truth.

Can you please stop acting like a child? You know damn well those outlets are far more truthful than the ones you referenced. They cite verifiable sources; when they have to cite anonymous sources, they check with multiple sources to corroborate claims. They might not be perfectly neutral, but they don't outright lie like your choices did.

I'd be amused to see an example of what you consider to be a neutral source... something tells me it doesn't jive with actual neutrality.

 

[Commodus]

The calls for violence started long before Trump was ever on the map. Do you remember Nixon? Reagan? Bush ? and the violent calls against them. Fuck you and fuck your false claims that incivilty or violence in politics begins and ends with Trump.

Remember this ? I do.

The Bombings Across America That We've 'Forgotten'

And what has changed since

time.com

"It may be hard to recall now, but there was a time when most Americans were decidedly more blasé about bombing attacks. This was during the 1970s, when protest bombings in America were commonplace, especially in hard-hit cities like New York, Chicago and San Francisco. Nearly a dozen radical underground groups, dimly remembered outfits such as the Weather Underground, the New World Liberation Front and the Symbionese Liberation Army, set off hundreds of bombs during that tumultuous decade—so many, in fact, that many people all but accepted them as a part of daily life. As one woman sniffed to a New York Post reporter after an attack by a Puerto Rican independence group in 1977: “Oh, another bombing? Who is it this time?’”

I didn't say violence in politics began or ended with Trump. But at last check, Trump is the first US President encouraging and tolerating that kind of violence. The President shouldn't be rallying mobs to the Capitol; he shouldn't be praising violence against journalists or using Nazi terms to demonize them. And it's disturbing that you don't seem to have a problem with this basic collapse in civility.

 

[Meghan54]

I didn't say violence in politics began or ended with Trump. But at last check, Trump is the first US President encouraging and tolerating that kind of violence. The President shouldn't be rallying mobs to the Capitol; he shouldn't be praising violence against journalists or using Nazi terms to demonize them. And it's disturbing that you don't seem to have a problem with this basic collapse in civility.

Tajjy has no problem with anyone else using violence to achieve their goals. Tajjy personally gives of the vibe that he’d soil himself repeatedly if subjected to anything more than a stern word or cutting glance…i.e.:a fucking blowhard coward.

 

[trenchfoot]

I didn't say violence in politics began or ended with Trump. But at last check, Trump is the first US President encouraging and tolerating that kind of violence. The President shouldn't be rallying mobs to the Capitol; he shouldn't be praising violence against journalists or using Nazi terms to demonize them. And it's disturbing that you don't seem to have a problem with this basic collapse in civility.

Marching under the Trump banner requires most if not all of his followers to abandon whatever morals and ethics they had left over from the war mongering Bush 43 era, of which extracted a huge toll on their morals/ethics to begin with. Releasing themselves of such civilized burdens allowed them to ignore those numerous really bad things Trump committed before, during and after his tenure. For all practical purposes, it was the only way an incompetent bumbling rogue criminal in the name of one Donald Trump could ever amass such a large following.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I didn't say violence in politics began or ended with Trump. But at last check, Trump is the first US President encouraging and tolerating that kind of violence. The President shouldn't be rallying mobs to the Capitol; he shouldn't be praising violence against journalists or using Nazi terms to demonize them. And it's disturbing that you don't seem to have a problem with this basic collapse in civility.

Seriously? A reporter gets hit with a rubber bullet while in the middle of rioters because their magic journalist shield didn't work and you equate that with politically motivated bombings?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Tajjy has no problem with anyone else using violence to achieve their goals. Tajjy personally gives of the vibe that he’d soil himself repeatedly if subjected to anything more than a stern word or cutting glance…i.e.:a fucking blowhard coward.

Bullshit.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Another example of violence being OK for Democrats.

Senate confirms eco-terrorist-linked Biden nominee who endorsed population control

In a 50-45 party-line vote, Tracy Stone-Manning was confirmed as the director of BLM on Thursday evening.

www.foxnews.com

Confirmed with no Republican votes.

 

[nickqt]

Another example of violence being OK for Democrats.

Senate confirms eco-terrorist-linked Biden nominee who endorsed population control

In a 50-45 party-line vote, Tracy Stone-Manning was confirmed as the director of BLM on Thursday evening.

www.foxnews.com

Confirmed with no Republican votes.

Back in WWII the Democrats committed a lot of violence against fascists.

Here we are a good 70 years later and you're very, very concerned.

Not much of a surprise there, you piece of shit traitor.