Sempron 64 2800+ vs. Celeron 64 2.93MHz ?

[dnd728]

Hi there
For a general usage PC which would you recommend? Both are 64 bits. I guess the celeron is 341, but I can't find any relevant benchmarks. Price is the same.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.🙂

 

[Hacp]

Sempron. Cooler, uses less power, and def matches/beats the celeron is almost all areas of performance.

 

[mwmorph]

sempy is better than celly at multimedia, otherwise, it's comparable and not too bad v.s. a p4(a64 still beats both though)

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

If you pair it with an Epox EP-8KDA3I ($50 at Newegg), you can get that Sempron 64 2800+ up to 2.2 GHz easily on stock cooling. I got mine up to 2.4 GHz (also on the retail cooler), and I've seen others get it past 2.5 GHz.

The Celeron's overclocking ability is much more limited, and an LGA775 motherboard capable of doing anything significant in that area is well over $50.

EDIT: The Sempron 64 2800+ is $76. The Celeron D 341 is $106. The Sempron 64 3100+, at $102, is much closer in price to the CD-341. The Celeron D 336 ($87, 2.8 GHz) and 331 ($69, 2.66 GHz) are more comparable in price to the 2800+.

 

[Corporate Thug]

2800+ FTW

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

One other thing...

Although I highly recommend getting a 2800+ and overclocking it to ~2.4 GHz, if you're keeping it at stock speed the choice is a bit muddier.

This XBitLabs article pits a Celeron D 340 (which is basically a 341 with DDR) against a Sempron 3100+ (which is just a 2800+ running 200 MHz faster). In the tests, the 3100+ beat the 340 in gaming and data compression apps, while the 340 toasted the 3100+ in audio/video encoding apps. So, if you plan to run at stock speeds, getting the 2800+ only makes sense if (A) it is cheaper, and/or (B) you play a lot of graphic-intensive games. Otherwise, the 341 is your best bet.

But, again, let me stress that if you overclock, you should get the 2800+ regardless of which apps you run the most. Also, the CPU itself is cheaper, so unless the RAM and motherboard costs outweigh that discrepancy, it's not really a fair comparison.

 

[dnd728]

Thanks all! Yes, these are two complete systems that sell for a similar price. A retired relative needs someting to start with. I don't wish to build a system and then have to drive over every time that they lose a shortcut...😕

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: dnd728
Thanks all! Yes, these are two complete systems that sell for a similar price. A retired relative needs someting to start with. I don't wish to build a system and then have to drive over every time that they lose a shortcut...😕

Are the systems identical, otherwise? If so, go with the Celeron D 341. Even if it's used for gaming--which I doubt it will be--it should come close to if not outright beat the 2800+. In A/V apps, the 341 toasts the 2800+. Data compression is a bit iffier, but, again, they should both be fairly close in performance. I didn't see anything about photo editing or multitasking.

Plus, the 341 should be worth a bit more when it comes time to sell it.

Anyway, that's my recommendation. Too bad you're not overclocking.

 

[dnd728]

Only the CPU and mobo are different but with the same features and from Asrock. I am tempted yet reluctant to overclock, as you may guess. They probably wouldn't really need it, but if they suddenly want Vista... It would be nice having the option to overclock later, as well as adding a dedicated graphics adapter.

 

[Hacp]

The 2800+ is just slightly under the Celeron-D 540 in performance right now. You probably won't notice a difference in performance overall, but heat/cooling/power will make the sempron cheaper to maintain. In the end, the Sempron will end up costing loess.

EDIT: Actually, I think that the 2800+ is better than the Celeron D in performance.... I was looking at the XP based Sempron 🙂

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: dnd728
Only the CPU and mobo are different but with the same features and from Asrock. I am tempted yet reluctant to overclock, as you may guess. They probably wouldn't really need it, but if they suddenly want Vista... It would be nice having the option to overclock later, as well as adding a dedicated graphics adapter.

Which ASRock boards are we talking about? Because if the AMD-based system has sufficient overclocking features, it's a whole new ballgame. The Sempron 64 2800+ is one of the best overclockers ever, and it will blow away the Celeron if you can take advantage of that.

However, if neither board overclocks well--even if they can overclock a little bit--then the Celeron D 341 is your best bet.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Hacp
The 2800+ is just slightly under the Celeron-D 540 in performance right now. You probably won't notice a difference in performance overall, but heat/cooling/power will make the sempron cheaper to maintain. In the end, the Sempron will end up costing loess.

EDIT: Actually, I think that the 2800+ is better than the Celeron D in performance.... I was looking at the XP based Sempron 🙂

First of all, this is the s754 Sempron 64 2800+ @ 1.6 GHz, not the s462 Sempron 2800+ @ 2.0 GHz. Any benchmark for the latter won't have any bearing on the former, as they are based on two completely different platforms, and use very different features.

Anyway, where are you finding this information about the Celeron D 340 being just over the Sempron 64 2800+ in performance? Or are you talking about the s462 Sempron? In benchmarks I cited above, you can see that the Sempron 3100+ (which is basically a 2800+ running 200 MHz faster) beats the 340 in games and data compression, but the 340 beats it in audio/video editing. The margins are already in favor of the 340. The LGA775 341 is faster that the 340 from the tests, while the Sempron 64 2800+ is slower than the 3100+. You can imagine what effect that would have on performance margins.

 

[klah]

Big difference in one metric: HERE

 

[dnd728]

:laugh:
I say nay to any close relative of prescott, but I doubt they would use it enough to make a difference. Although it's Hard telling what they need, since they have zero experience and knowledge.

 

[dnd728]

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[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: dnd728
Their ad lists:
K8-Upgrade VM800
and
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I added the links.

They both look like decent overclockers, but the product manuals don't say for sure. Unless you can find someone who can vouch for the K8Upgrade-VM800, I'd stick with the Celeron D 341 system. Yes, it consumes more power, but how much could that possibly cost, especially for someone who's never owned a PC before and likely not to use this one very much? Besides, the Celeron D 341 overclocks well, too.