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Seems like many people severely underestimate what they'll need for retirement.

Mai72

Lifer
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/011216/average-retirement-savings-age-2016.asp

Now is when you begin to reap the rewards of decades of saving. At some point, you’ll be using this money to support your lifestyle. By the time you reach 60, you should have six times your salary saved – that’s $360,000 if you make $60,000 per year.

Unfortunately, the average sixty-something has an estimated median of $172,000 in the bank. Not nearly enough. At this point it’s hard to save enough to make up for the shortfall. Instead, look at your assets. What can be monetized at some point to help sustain you?


I had a talk with this guy and we got on the subject of retirement. Now, this guy is in his mid-late 40's. He told me that he has $200k put away and that he could leave work for good. I don't know if he realizes that if he leaved the workforce at 50, he could possible live for the next 30-40 years. How the hell do you live for the next 30 years on $200k? That's $6,666 a year! Even with social security it's not enough.

Even the link I posted has it all wrong. They claim that if you're able to save $360k by the time you're 60, you are doing awesome. But, if you were to live for another 30 years (60-90), you're going to be living on $12k a year! Even with social security you're going to be eating dog food.

What About:

1) The high cost of living.
2) Illnesses like Parkinson's disease
3) Major Events.

1) The cost of living continues to creep upward. Now, imagine drawing on a savings account with no more money coming in. Imagine the cost of milk, eggs, and other daily products skyrocketing when you have no more income. For 30 years? That's not a good scenario.

2) I received a valuable lesson when I took care of my uncle during the last few years of his life. When I cared for my uncle, he was just beginning to develop Parkinson's disease. It robbed him of his independence. As the years progressed, he became dependent on his caregivers. He was lucky though because he was a multi-millionaire. He had the money for care around the clock. He always had someone at the house 24/7. He had a maid. He had someone to cook meals for him. The quality of his life was much more improved because he had the financial resources. You can't do that if you only have $100k in savings. That's when you become totally dependent on the state and/or family and that's never good.

3) Major events could be in the form of hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. Maybe even a house fire. You're going to be able to absorb these disasters and move on if you have a nice money cushion to fall back on. For most people, their life savings could easily be wiped out with one major event.

What are you doing to make sure that you don't become a burden on your family when you get older. For me, that's saving money and investing in real estate. IMO, the magic number that people should strive for before they retire is $1 million. That's in-addition to some form of passive income. I like multi-family apartments. I'd love to have 30-50 doors all cranking out paychecks for me per month. That's with my property already paid in full.
 
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i just wish i had started saving for retirement before i was like 26. now i have over 1yr salary in there and i'm 34, but i'm also contributing a lot more now than i was early on since my salary has gone up. i plan to have millions when i retire if i continue to just do the 401k/roth/ss stuff, but if my business takes off i hope to have millions before i retire.
 
i just wish i had started saving for retirement before i was like 26. now i have over 1yr salary in there and i'm 34, but i'm also contributing a lot more now than i was early on since my salary has gone up. i plan to have millions when i retire if i continue to just do the 401k/roth/ss stuff, but if my business takes off i hope to have millions before i retire.

I'd love to be a millionaire before I get too old. Being a millionaire is great at any age, but it's even better when you're young. Having a million at 70 isn't quite the same as having a million in your 30's. By the time you hit 70, you have more money than time.

By that age, time becomes more valuable.
 
Theres no such thing as retirement certainty especially in an empire in its twilight years like kind of like the last days of the British Empire. Remember when the baby boom started the US was 50 percent of world GDP and the average working class stiff could buy a house with 2 years income and even dishwashers could save some money and buy a house outright after saving for a decade. The fact is there is no such thing as a safe retirement amount as the US continues to decline, you cant predict for example whats going to happen in the future when the dollar breaks and no longer is the reserve currency.
 
What About: The high cost of living.

I make 200 000 €

Fuck bitches = analsexhooker 150 € 150*7*5 = 5250 €
rent 500000*0,035 (loan) = 17500/12 = 1458 €
other housing costs: 1500 €
food= 1000 €
other= 1000 €
5250+1458+1500+1000+1000 = 10208 €

clearly I NEED 10208 € per month to retire !
 
Theres no such thing as retirement certainty especially in an empire in its twilight years like kind of like the last days of the British Empire. Remember when the baby boom started the US was 50 percent of world GDP and the average working class stiff could buy a house with 2 years income and even dishwashers could save some money and buy a house outright after saving for a decade. The fact is there is no such thing as a safe retirement amount as the US continues to decline, you cant predict for example whats going to happen in the future when the dollar breaks and no longer is the reserve currency.

Then it's a good thing we have a shitton of weapons because we're going to need them.
 
Theres no such thing as retirement certainty especially in an empire in its twilight years like kind of like the last days of the British Empire. Remember when the baby boom started the US was 50 percent of world GDP and the average working class stiff could buy a house with 2 years income and even dishwashers could save some money and buy a house outright after saving for a decade. The fact is there is no such thing as a safe retirement amount as the US continues to decline, you cant predict for example whats going to happen in the future when the dollar breaks and no longer is the reserve currency.

Yeah last year I'm self employed made 20k a year average between 13 and 14 bought a house for 42.5k. I had the 13k up front for down payment and repair escrow, managed to fix it up enough to get my escrow back and I'm about to pull 40k equity out of it to buy another.
 
My dad says he has $1200 savings at 97 years young.

He's not looking to save at his age.
 
Yeah last year I'm self employed made 20k a year average between 13 and 14 bought a house for 42.5k. I had the 13k up front for down payment and repair escrow, managed to fix it up enough to get my escrow back and I'm about to pull 40k equity out of it to buy another.
This is Alabama ( or some other country-redneck-state) right? 😎
 
Close Cincinnati I still tell people Im from the south half my families from Northern Kentucky.
 
By the time I get there, I doubt retirement is even going to be a thing anymore. You'll work till you die, and whoever is on your will gets your debt. Cost of living is going up at an insane rate, at some point you'll just have a perpetual mortgage for all your bills and you'll be doing minimum payment on everything.
 
Even that six times your income figure seems low to me.

In fact, it seems incredibly low. They say that you should withdraw 3% per year in retirement. With only six times your salary saved, that would provide 18% of your annual income each in retirement.
 
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I plan to die young, so no worries.

Everyone is betting on dying early because no one regardless of savings or insurance can afford long term healthcare. The government will help but, only after you've spent every last dime earned over a lifetime. In fact, that's their stated policy and recommendation.
 
Everyone is betting on dying early because no one regardless of savings or insurance can afford long term healthcare.
They should move to Europe (or anywhere except the US), the (non-US) MD:s have wet dreams about making 200 000+ USD (some make it, but most do not, and when they do, it is usually 50% income tax for them..)
😱
 
Since I'm not planning on SS existing in about 26 years when I retire, I'm putting away as much as I can in hopes of not needing it to live the way I want.

Unfortunately I didn't start saving until I was 33 so I have a lot of catching up to do.
 
Depends on your lifestyle and cost of living. If you're still going to be paying rent for the rest of your life, then I hope you have a lot more saved up. But, really, your budget is usually a lot less after retirement.
 
Most people don't have 6 months expenses saved?

I'm not surprised they don't have retirement taken care of.
 
Since I'm not planning on SS existing in about 26 years when I retire, I'm putting away as much as I can in hopes of not needing it to live the way I want.

Unfortunately I didn't start saving until I was 33 so I have a lot of catching up to do.

That just made me realize I'm 30 and still not saving for retirement. Any savings I do have is short term like house related projects or toys etc. Though once the mortgage is paid off, then I can probably take that monthly payment and put it towards retirement. I do buy RRSPs every pay if that counts for anything but I'll be taxed to hell and back when I take that money out. I only buy those so I don't end up paying taxes each year come tax season so it's more postponing the inevitable more than anything.

My ideal goal is to find a way to be self sufficient and mostly off grid by the time I can retire though, as cost of everything is just going up too much, it would make it very hard to survive without any kind of constant income.
 
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