seeking advice : CCNA vs B.S.?

ViviTheMage

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I've got my associates, got a Network Admin job, going on 3 years ... love it, but I am thinking long term here. I like networking, CCNA seems like the right path...but will not having my B.S. limit me a lot (I know to an extent it will)?

CCNA could be done in 1-2 years, and B.S. would take 5-7 years depending on my schedule at the U of M. U of M would also cost a lot more.

This is a fallback in case madgenius.com fails and doesn't make me millions :D

Advise me AT...I am unsure!
 

IndyColtsFan

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I've got my associates, got a Network Admin job, going on 3 years ... love it, but I am thinking long term here. I like networking, CCNA seems like the right path...but will not having my B.S. limit me a lot (I know to an extent it will)?

CCNA could be done in 1-2 years, and B.S. would take 5-7 years depending on my schedule at the U of M. U of M would also cost a lot more.

This is a fallback in case madgenius.com fails and doesn't make me millions :D

Advise me AT...I am unsure!

I think we've had this discussion before, haven't we? :)

You know what I'm going to say, but I'll say it anyway. These shouldn't be mutually exclusive. You could do a CCNA in a year, tops. That won't prevent you from also working towards your BS. Please, seriously consider getting the BS. Many companies have this warped perception that a BA/BS is required for every position under the sun, and since you won't beat them, you might as well join them.
 

mcmilljb

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Considering your line of work, why would it take a year to do your CCNA? I'm sure you could almost do the first half right now.

Plus what do you want plan to study for your B.S.? How many credits would you get from your assoc.?
 

ViviTheMage

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I think we've had this discussion before, haven't we? :)

You know what I'm going to say, but I'll say it anyway. These shouldn't be mutually exclusive. You could do a CCNA in a year, tops. That won't prevent you from also working towards your BS. Please, seriously consider getting the BS. Many companies have this warped perception that a BA/BS is required for every position under the sun, and since you won't beat them, you might as well join them.

We have, but I narrowed it down now :D... kind of. It's going to be a huge time consumption to take on CCNA and get my B.S. ... but it could be doable.

My time is really tied up too, I could only take one course a semester.

Madgenius is pretty much a full time job on the side...busy 80+ hours a week with that stuff and Network Admin job.

So throwing 1 class + CCNA work might literally kill me. GF wouldn't like it either, haha.

Considering your line of work, why would it take a year to do your CCNA? I'm sure you could almost do the first half right now.

Plus what do you want plan to study for your B.S.? How many credits would you get from your assoc.?

I assume the book work is relatively different then real world use. I only do VLANs and basic routing stuff.

My B.S. would be a Multidisciplinary studies degree. It's the only way I could complete anything online/distance at the U of M.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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We have, but I narrowed it down now :D... kind of. It's going to be a huge time consumption to take on CCNA and get my B.S. ... but it could be doable.

My time is really tied up too, I could only take one course a semester.

Madgenius is pretty much a full time job on the side...busy 80+ hours a week with that stuff and Network Admin job.

So throwing 1 class + CCNA work might literally kill me. GF wouldn't like it either, haha.

Well, knock out the CCNA in 6 months and then start on the BS. I have little doubt that I could knock a CCNA out in 6 months and you probably have more Cisco experience than I do. Right now though, I am starting work on the PMP certification.
 

scott916

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I've done the CCNA courses. You could do it easily in three months, you're intelligent and if you're diligent, it's primarily memorization.
 

ViviTheMage

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Well, knock out the CCNA in 6 months and then start on the BS. I have little doubt that I could knock a CCNA out in 6 months and you probably have more Cisco experience than I do. Right now though, I am starting work on the PMP certification.

Love to get up to PMP area, but slowly ... company I work for right now is a little small, so I may have to move on elsewhere to get that started.

I've done the CCNA courses. You could do it easily in three months, you're intelligent and if you're diligent, it's primarily memorization.

I thought it was book work, then just GL take the test?

Where can one take actual courses? My employer would reimburse for that at least.

B.S. is going to be out of pocket.
 

scott916

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I took mine at a local community college. I'd say if you're already familiar with the basics of TCP/IP, you're better off with just a book and practicing in Packet Tracer. I believe you can just take the test if you feel you're ready.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Love to get up to PMP area, but slowly ... company I work for right now is a little small, so I may have to move on elsewhere to get that started.

The application is a pain to fill out. I am still trying to finalize my list of projects to submit. I need to start reading the books soon. The test changes 8/31, so I am hoping to sit for it this summer.
 

ViviTheMage

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The application is a pain to fill out. I am still trying to finalize my list of projects to submit. I need to start reading the books soon. The test changes 8/31, so I am hoping to sit for it this summer.

Good luck, I know it isn't easy.

I've got plenty of cisco gear to play with, guess I could go to Barnes and Noble and grab the book? Is there an 'official' one?
 

mcmilljb

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If you look at Cisco's website, you can get a good feel for the exam.

They have a page dedicated to studying for each exam. Includes study and practice stuff. You can see where your current skills match up with the exam.
https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/community/certifications/ccna/icnd1

Also they have an example of the exam interface.
http://www.cisco.com/comm/applicati...Vue_CCNATutorial_Tlt_Sim_simlet_v4_010505.swf

The current exams have simulation questions, which are actually the fun part of the exam. You can use the question mark to check your format like you would on the real IOS.
 

alkemyst

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CCNA should be done in less than 6 months, I am not sure what kind of Network Admin would think it was a 1-2year then. In 2 years you should be able to get CCNA->CCNP + some specialities.

Not having a BS degree will limit you in some fields/companies.
 

MarkXIX

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Let me tell you that you CAN do it and get a college degree at the same time out of it.

I am attending Fort Hays State University virtual college. They have a Information Networking and Telecommunications degree program. Part of that degree is three semester classes that utilize the Cisco CCNA online curriculum. Your final exam for the three classes is your CCNA exam and your score on the exam is equated to your letter grade for the class.

Bottom line, you CAN do it. I am married, have three kids, command an Army Reserve unit, and have a full-time IT Management job and I will have completed over 27 credit hours online in my last year of school. Thank God I graduate in May!
 

alkemyst

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Equating the score for a Cisco exam is a bit nutty...even Cisco formally says the idea is to pass and move on with your career/certification trail.

Getting a perfect score usually means to stayed too long in novice books.

CCNA is meant to be 'fuzzy' when you get it. Much like a Doctor fresh out of med school starting his residency. At CCNP, CCNA is crystal clear and the CCNP stuff fuzzy in areas.

By CCIE, you pretty much speak to any technology you tested on fluently. At any level no one is expected to memorize tomes of commands.
 

MarkXIX

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Equating the score for a Cisco exam is a bit nutty...even Cisco formally says the idea is to pass and move on with your career/certification trail.

I don't disagree on the score being equated with a grade, but I knocked out 9 credit hours and got a certification at the same time.

Might as well find a way to kill two birds with one stone if you're going to do it.
 

0roo0roo

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Lol ccna, is mostly brain dump.

How much trivia can you memorize, it isn't to the point of actual working knowledge yet at that point.
 

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BS, and i dont think u need 5-7 years to complete BS. many people are getting MBA part time in 4 years part time. im sure 2 years of full time undergrad won't take 5-7 years to complete.

also my friend got his CCNA when he was in bronx science from taking a class, that will tell you how useful it is.
 
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destrekor

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My question is this:

I just got my B.A. (June 2010) in a major that is essentially Political Science + International Studies + Psychology + Sociology + Philosophy (all related to security, terrorism, war, and social changes).

In high school, we had the first four semesters of Cisco courses. Not sure if first four were CCNA, second four with CCNP, or if all eight were dedicated to the CCNA curriculum (I knew there was 8 courses total at a local C.C., ours mimicked the first four courses). I did just fine in the course, it was what I wanted to do, then I got bored and felt like I'd be miserable doing that sort of stuff as a career.

Still not sure, but I'm kind of tossing around the idea of trying it out again. Would having tech certs but a B.A. (versus a technical B.S.) hurt my potential? I'm also in the Signal Corps as a platoon leader, so just being in the environment (and saying so on a resume) could be a decent boost. In reality, I don't really get to do, well... anything. My platoon isn't even a tech platoon, but I frequently watch and talk about the tech with the JNN and Netops soldiers (JNN deals with the connections of the nodes, Net Ops actually does the routing tables and configurations for all the various hardware). It would be awesome if I could say I am actually in charge of all that gear, but not yet. I have radios, antennas, and vehicles under my name.

But yeah, I've been entertaining the idea of using my status as a Signal Officer and general knowledge of the equipment and configurations to make headway into a communications-related career... but that's going to be a tough sell with no certifications, considering the only relevant education I've had, thus far, was in high school.

In my free time I could study up with the books, but I definitely liked the hands on nature of the Cisco curriculum - actually making various connections and configurations is a great way to use what you read about, and for me is an easier way to drill that knowledge into memory.

Big thing we got to do was a major redesign of our classroom, it was entirely in our hands (with instructor oversight obviously), and we ran all the wiring, made all the connections at the patch panels and keystones, and made all the configurations in the routers.

Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending how you look at it), I did learn that not all manufacturers are equal in the ethernet cable world: considering I have a mild case of color-deficiency, some brands made it a major challenge to distinguish between the green and orange pairs, or the green and brown pairs, depending on manufacturer (so white-green, green, and white-orange, orange... sometimes was nearly impossible for me). Not sure if that would cripple the career opportunity or not.

Anyway...
For those who just went the books route, do they include software emulator environments for configurations?
 

ViviTheMage

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Let me tell you that you CAN do it and get a college degree at the same time out of it.

I am attending Fort Hays State University virtual college. They have a Information Networking and Telecommunications degree program. Part of that degree is three semester classes that utilize the Cisco CCNA online curriculum. Your final exam for the three classes is your CCNA exam and your score on the exam is equated to your letter grade for the class.

Bottom line, you CAN do it. I am married, have three kids, command an Army Reserve unit, and have a full-time IT Management job and I will have completed over 27 credit hours online in my last year of school. Thank God I graduate in May!

I am not a fan of the online degrees ... I want one from a B&M university.
 

iGas

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IMHO, you are a bit late in the game, because the market is saturated.

I went the BS path (more than a decade ago) and did CCNA, MCSE, A+, and OCP (company paid for CCNA & OCP). There are lots of work if you don't mind working with people (love to kiss asses) and like the corporation mentality, and long work week.

I'm now a licensed construction worker that is better paid with shorter work week.
 

ViviTheMage

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BS, and i dont think u need 5-7 years to complete BS. many people are getting MBA part time in 4 years part time. im sure 2 years of full time undergrad won't take 5-7 years to complete.

also my friend got his CCNA when he was in bronx science from taking a class, that will tell you how useful it is.

I've done the math, would be 5-7 years, haha.

CCNA wouldn't be the endgame, it'd be the start of certs...then to CCNP and CCIE.

IMHO, you are a bit late in the game, because the market is saturated.

I went the BS path (more than a decade ago) and did CCNA, MCSE, A+, and OCP (company paid for CCNA & OCP). There are lots of work if you don't mind working with people (love to kiss asses) and like the corporation mentality, and long work week.

I'm now a licensed construction worker that is better paid with shorter work week.

I am already 'in the game' I am not really late. I am just trying to determine what else I want to do in the game.
 

destrekor

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Just an update:

If you are a Cisco Press member the
http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587202166

CCNA Lab/Network sim is only $94. With tax and overnight shipping $112.

250 labs

hmm

I took a few semesters of CCNA classroom training.
I wonder if that Simulator, alongside picking up a few CCNA exam prep books, would prove to be a good idea.

I'm tempted to jump back into the IT world. But I've never been employed in the IT sector, and don't have a technical degree... even if I prepped myself and earned the Certification, would this at all really help in the job world? With no formal experience, and no formal classroom training after graduating high school (which is when I took the first four semesters of Cisco's classroom material)... is a Cert going to be enough?