Seeing a doctor is a privilege.

[shortylickens]

Looks like you need to change doctors. Go to one in the suburbs.. oh and make sure you're white.

Shens.
I am white in the suburbs and I routinely get fucked over for large crowds of illegals. For whom I end up paying anyway.

 

[BoomerD]

Hah, laughable. Kiss 12+ years of your life goodbye to be a doctor thats 300K or more in debt and tell me whose time is a bit more valuable. You deserve to be billed if you dont give notice. They could've seen another patient.

You must be a med student...the sense of entitlement is strong in your posts.

Why should the doctor's time be more valuable than that of the patient? Odds are, (as in this case) the patient has had to take time off of work for the appointment. Many people do NOT get paid when they don't work...not everyone gets paid sick-leave...

As for the years spent in med school...and the costs involved...it's not like anyone FORCED these spoiled self-important people into the medical field...they made the choice. The outrageous costs of medical schools is however, something that needs to be part of the reforms, as is the huge restriction on the number of new medical students. NO, not everyone should be a doctor...GAWD NO! but there's no good reason not to increase the number of new students admitted...even if it means building new schools to handle the increase.

 

[shortylickens]

You must be a med student...the sense of entitlement is strong in your posts.

Why should the doctor's time be more valuable than that of the patient? Odds are, (as in this case) the patient has had to take time off of work for the appointment. Many people do NOT get paid when they don't work...not everyone gets paid sick-leave...

As for the years spent in med school...and the costs involved...it's not like anyone FORCED these spoiled self-important people into the medical field...they made the choice. The outrageous costs of medical schools is however, something that needs to be part of the reforms, as is the huge restriction on the number of new medical students. NO, not everyone should be a doctor...GAWD NO! but there's no good reason not to increase the number of new students admitted...even if it means building new schools to handle the increase.

And if they hadnt made the choice THERE WOULD BE NO FUCKING DOCTOR TO VISIT!!

 

[BoomerD]

And if they hadnt made the choice THERE WOULD BE NO FUCKING DOCTOR TO VISIT!!

So what the fuck is your point? Does their education and huge student loan debt make them more important than their patients? Is their time more "valuable" than that of the people who look to them in time of medical problems?

 

[RollWave]

You must be a med student...the sense of entitlement is strong in your posts.

Why should the doctor's time be more valuable than that of the patient? Odds are, (as in this case) the patient has had to take time off of work for the appointment. Many people do NOT get paid when they don't work...not everyone gets paid sick-leave...

As for the years spent in med school...and the costs involved...it's not like anyone FORCED these spoiled self-important people into the medical field...they made the choice. The outrageous costs of medical schools is however, something that needs to be part of the reforms, as is the huge restriction on the number of new medical students. NO, not everyone should be a doctor...GAWD NO! but there's no good reason not to increase the number of new students admitted...even if it means building new schools to handle the increase.

Laughable. No I dont feel entitled to anything, but I clearly know more about the problem than you do. Sorry.

 

[RollWave]

So what the fuck is your point? Does their education and huge student loan debt make them more important than their patients? Is their time more "valuable" than that of the people who look to them in time of medical problems?

Well is a cashier's time more valuable than a plumber's? It isnt because the plumber has specialized training that the cashier doesnt. Extrapolate. If you flake on a doctor, another patient isnt getting care that they could have. Its as simple as that. You cheat another by being a no-show. Or even if you show and choose to be non-compliant like so many people are.

 

[BoomerD]

Well is a cashier's time more valuable than a plumber's? It isnt because the plumber has specialized training that the cashier doesnt. Extrapolate. If you flake on a doctor, another patient isnt getting care that they could have. Its as simple as that. You cheat another by being a no-show. Or even if you show and choose to be non-compliant like so many people are.

Yet, doctors who pull the kind of shit such as in the OP are cheating the patient out of HIS/HER time. Perhaps, as I said earlier, that patient doesn't have sick pay that covers them for doctor's visits. Is it fair for the patient to sit around, waiting on the doctor for hours...only to have to leave because the doctor has to deal with an emergency? No. The emergency is understandable...the hours of waiting is not.

 

[shortylickens]

Yet, doctors who pull the kind of shit such as in the OP are cheating the patient out of HIS/HER time. Perhaps, as I said earlier, that patient doesn't have sick pay that covers them for doctor's visits. Is it fair for the patient to sit around, waiting on the doctor for hours...only to have to leave because the doctor has to deal with an emergency? No. The emergency is understandable...the hours of waiting is not.

And as you pointed out, those people CHOOSE to go to med school, endure residency, and then setup a practice. And if more people made such a decision, there would be more competition and in theory prices would be kept in check and doctors would have to offer more and better services. Interestingly, this has not happened. And the cost of med school goes up. And the cost of medicine goes up.
WE NEED A DEMOCRAT TO GIVE US FREE HEALTH CARE!

 

[IAteYourMother]

You must be a med student...the sense of entitlement is strong in your posts.

Why should the doctor's time be more valuable than that of the patient? Odds are, (as in this case) the patient has had to take time off of work for the appointment. Many people do NOT get paid when they don't work...not everyone gets paid sick-leave...

As for the years spent in med school...and the costs involved...it's not like anyone FORCED these spoiled self-important people into the medical field...they made the choice. The outrageous costs of medical schools is however, something that needs to be part of the reforms, as is the huge restriction on the number of new medical students. NO, not everyone should be a doctor...GAWD NO! but there's no good reason not to increase the number of new students admitted...even if it means building new schools to handle the increase.

im confused... wasn't the doctor late because he was taking time to see other patients? It's self-important patients that demand the doctor's time at the expense of other patients.

Oh right, and we're just going to make med schools cheaper because it shouldn't cost that much to train quality doctors... given how many people complain about their doctors and the rise of malpractice lawsuits, I don't think that's a realistic goal.

 

[slayer202]

Its obnoxious having to wait for doctors/dentists all the damn time. patients are probably part of the problem, but why can't these "doctors" figure out they gotta work on their appointment times. you would think if they were so smart they'd have some common sense. oh wait, most of em aren't that smart but just worked really hard in school. damn

 

[RollWave]

And as you pointed out, those people CHOOSE to go to med school, endure residency, and then setup a practice. And if more people made such a decision, there would be more competition and in theory prices would be kept in check and doctors would have to offer more and better services. Interestingly, this has not happened. And the cost of med school goes up. And the cost of medicine goes up.
WE NEED A DEMOCRAT TO GIVE US FREE HEALTH CARE!

We need Americans who care about their own health first. Then let doctors sort out the rest.

 

[RollWave]

im confused... wasn't the doctor late because he was taking time to see other patients? It's self-important patients that demand the doctor's time at the expense of other patients.

Oh right, and we're just going to make med schools cheaper because it shouldn't cost that much to train quality doctors... given how many people complain about their doctors and the rise of malpractice lawsuits, I don't think that's a realistic goal.

Sense has been made in this post.

 

[RollWave]

Its obnoxious having to wait for doctors/dentists all the damn time. patients are probably part of the problem, but why can't these "doctors" figure out they gotta work on their appointment times. you would think if they were so smart they'd have some common sense. oh wait, most of em aren't that smart but just worked really hard in school. damn

Right, because everything else in the US runs on time. Oh wait, it doesnt. And some patients are more complicated than others. And some patients require more hand-holding/counsel/time that its IMPOSSIBLE to account for ahead of time. With the decreasing amount of money given to doctors of all specialties of course they continue to fill schedules. Its the only way to overcome the crazy overhead that goes along with the practice of medicine. That OBGYN for example has to hire a nurse or two at least, someone to chaperone during pelvic exams (because of lawsuit-happy Americans), a secretary or two, etc etc. And on top of that their malpractice is 6 figures in many states. Imagine being in that situation people!

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Its obnoxious having to wait for doctors/dentists all the damn time. patients are probably part of the problem, but why can't these "doctors" figure out they gotta work on their appointment times. you would think if they were so smart they'd have some common sense. oh wait, most of em aren't that smart but just worked really hard in school. damn

Because a lot of people are just late. So if someone is late, what are you going to do? Are you going to cut short the patient's consult time to make sure the schedule is on time? What if because of the short consult the patient doesn't have time to describe all their symptoms, or the doctor feels rushed into cutting corners, and ends up missing something? And then if you increase consult times, how are you going to see all the people that require attention? Because then people will complain about having to wait a week for a doctor's appointment. There really is no pleasing some people.

So what the fuck is your point? Does their education and huge student loan debt make them more important than their patients? Is their time more "valuable" than that of the people who look to them in time of medical problems?

In their practice? Yes, it does. In their practice, they are God. That's the way it works.

 

[TridenT]

Ask for them to turn on the AC. Lie about your wife possibly dying if it gets too hot or something. They're not going to look at your records to check.

Mebbe bring some food to eat and some entertainment while you wait. A good book or something... maybe work, whatever.

 

[Mo0o]

Yet, doctors who pull the kind of shit such as in the OP are cheating the patient out of HIS/HER time. Perhaps, as I said earlier, that patient doesn't have sick pay that covers them for doctor's visits. Is it fair for the patient to sit around, waiting on the doctor for hours...only to have to leave because the doctor has to deal with an emergency? No. The emergency is understandable...the hours of waiting is not.

Sometimes doctors run behind because there are a lot of unforseen circumstances. If this is an OB, he could have had multiple deliveries that day that caused his clinic schedule to be pushed back. He could have had a few clinic appointments that ran long because of patients with new problems, unexpected results etc etc. Shit happens. I doubt the doctor was running late because he was taking nap. If this is a repeated issue, he might be overbooking and I would look into finding someone with a smaller panel.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Right, because everything else in the US runs on time. Oh wait, it doesnt. And some patients are more complicated than others. And some patients require more hand-holding/counsel/time that its IMPOSSIBLE to account for ahead of time. With the decreasing amount of money given to doctors of all specialties of course they continue to fill schedules. Its the only way to overcome the crazy overhead that goes along with the practice of medicine. That OBGYN for example has to hire a nurse or two at least, someone to chaperone during pelvic exams (because of lawsuit-happy Americans), a secretary or two, etc etc. And on top of that their malpractice is 6 figures in many states. Imagine being in that situation people!

I don't actually know why American healthcare is so bad, but I doubt it's all because people are not on time. That stuff happens to all doctors the world over. According to my GP and our lecturers at med school, we have a much higher proportion of primary health care physicians here than in other countries like Australia and the US, and that apparently is a driving force behind the differences in primary healthcare we get - here, apparently about 50 percent of each med school year ends up going into general practise. Whereas according to a paper published in the American Journal of Medicine (PMID 18261503) the percentage of primary care physicians (GP, general internal medicine, and general paediatrics) was 34 percent - much lower than New Zealand's (estimated) 50%, and not including gen med and gen paeds.

Also:

The results of this study suggest that as the proportion of physicians who are in primary care practice increases, health care utilization decreases. This relationship remained statistically significant for inpatient hospitalizations, emergency department visits, and total surgeries, even when controlled for population and physician variables. In practical terms, if a metropolitan statistical area with a population of 775,000 increased its proportion of primary care physicians from 35% to 40%, it could be predicted to reduce its inpatient admissions by approximately 2500 per year. If the average charges for admissions were $9000 across the metropolitan statistical area, this would reduce the utilization by nearly 23 million dollars. Analogously, this 5% increase in primary care physicians would predict nearly 15,000 less emergency department visits and 2500 less surgeries.

Apparently this is due to primary care physicians being able to coordinate treatment of patients better between various specialties, and allows earlier detection of problems more accurately because of the more general, holistic perspective.

 

[Sea Moose]

Op your resuts came through. You have the clap.

 

[69Mach1]

When my son was little he had an appointment with the Doc for some of his shots. The appointment was for 10:00 am. When we got there, about 9:45, the waiting room was full. We checked in, and were told to take a seat in the waiting room. There were none. Talking to the crowd, the people who had the first appointments of the day still had not been called back to see the Doctor. Temp was about 90 ,or so to start, then kept going up as time went by. I waited until about noon, then walked up to the receptionist and asked if I could reschedule. ( I only had a half day off, I needed to be back to work by 12:30) She became very upset and said if we left I would be billed for a missed office call. (At this point NO ONE had been allowed to see the Doctor, so he was running at least 4 hours behind.) I replied that if they wanted to play that game, I would bill them for missed work hours, and that I would make sure my bill was higher. We then left. Apparently, everyone there followed my example, and there was a near riot. They called my wife and told her that I was banned, and if we wanted the Doctor to see our son, she would have to take him. During this call, she asked where the Doctor had been. It turns out he had been at the hospital all night and was not going to see patients that day. At all. They were just making people wait, in case the Doctor woke up and decided to see someone. They knew the whole time he was not going to see anyone that day.

 

[alkemyst]

Well IMHO seeing a doctor should be a privledge.

I like my current insurance that pays a flat rate but I am open to see whoever I want. For most doctors it's a break even...for the good ones I come out a bit of out of pocket.

I get basically $2000 of money to play with a year.

 

[Sea Moose]

This doctors schedule just became free. you could book with him?

 

[Gillbot]

Neg his ass on yelp, that'll teach him.

nah, posting on atot will teach him

 

[dmcowen674]

Time to find another doctor.

Time to find another country.

 

[alkemyst]

This doctors schedule just became free. you could book with him?

only a 7 year sentence.

 

[moshquerade]

Right, because everything else in the US runs on time. Oh wait, it doesnt. And some patients are more complicated than others. And some patients require more hand-holding/counsel/time that its IMPOSSIBLE to account for ahead of time. With the decreasing amount of money given to doctors of all specialties of course they continue to fill schedules. Its the only way to overcome the crazy overhead that goes along with the practice of medicine. That OBGYN for example has to hire a nurse or two at least, someone to chaperone during pelvic exams (because of lawsuit-happy Americans), a secretary or two, etc etc. And on top of that their malpractice is 6 figures in many states. Imagine being in that situation people!

Sorry. cop out. You can go to some doctor/dental offices and they are usually very prompt, with less than a 30 minute wait. Personally, I strive hard to be on time. I feel I owe it to patients, and I manage to treat them like I'd like to be treated.

How would YOU like to wait in a packed waiting room for 2 1/2 hours to get called into your doctor or dental appt.? Look on the other side of the fence for once. Sure, you'd have all the compassion in the world, right? Well great, you just missed an exam because you had to wait so long. Or you missed another appointment because you hadn't planned to spend over 3 hours there for a 5 minute chat with the doc.

Yeh, I think asking patients to wait that long is wrong. (Except in the cases of actual emergencies where Docs get called out)