security guards abusing authority in Miami

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I agree he wasn't do anything illegal. But being a douche just to make a scene is just stupid.
 
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http://www.metrolinktrains.com/pdfs...licy_for_Photography_and_Video_Recordings.pdf

Anyway, I have problems tactically with what the guys were doing, they had their backs to the tracks. Also, when the guy was being placed under arrest for, I guess interfering with a LEO? (They looked like cops) They dilly dallied for way too long before going hands on.

If you aren't going to handcuff then sit there and bullshit until backup arrives.

You see the guy clench his fist and throw a punch when they try to arrest him, that type of aggression is dealt with aggression right back, and these guys seemed to just use their numbers to force him to the ground without beating the shit out of him.

All I see is a video of a drunk guy knowingly ignore a pretty silly rule and then get arrested when he refuses to comply with that rule or voluntarily leave.
 
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mizzou said:
http://www.metrolinktrains.com/pdfs...licy_for_Photography_and_Video_Recordings.pdf

Anyway, I have problems tactically with what the guys were doing, they had their backs to the tracks. Also, when the guy was being placed under arrest for, I guess interfering with a LEO? (They looked like cops) They dilly dallied for way too long before going hands on.

If you aren't going to handcuff then sit there and bullshit until backup arrives.

You see the guy clench his fist and throw a punch when they try to arrest him, that type of aggression is dealt with aggression right back, and these guys seemed to just use their numbers to force him to the ground without beating the shit out of him.

All I see is a video of a drunk guy knowingly ignore a pretty silly rule and then get arrested when he refuses to comply with that rule or voluntarily leave.
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Yeah, I'm seeing a culture of people challenging petty laws and rules for the sheer purpose of provocation. It's like someone poking a bear with a stick, the bear does nothing the first 10 times, but the 11th time it attacks and the victim is totally surprised. I guess these people are bored and need attention.

Also, with all the terrorism alerts around, I'm sure law enforcement isn't too keen on suspicious people filming public transportation.
 
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Jeeebus said:
How is a link to a California rail system guide, which doesn't even specify what this guy was doing to be illegal/against policy in that jurisdiction, relevant to what this guy was doing in Miami, Florida?
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Where it says violators are subject to a citation, that doesn't mean you can't be handcuffed and sent to jail for that citation. You can make a full custody arrest for a citation, but you usually have to be a huge asshole for that to ever happen.

I'm sure the california policy is very similar to most light rail systems nationwide.


Wellll know that I research Miami's transit system it appears to be a big more unusual thena blanket statement.

"Taking still, sound or motion picture recordings for commercial, training or educational purposes (exception of news coverage), without prior written authorization by Miami-Dade Transit. "

Unless they want to arrest him for public intoxication or something along those lines, I don't think they can hook him successfully for recording something on his phone.

Maybe "creating a nuisance", that seems like a pretty good one. What the fuck is a nuisance anyway, that could be anything lol.

"Creating a Nuisance

Impeding or hindering bus or train operators in the performance of their duties.
Playing any radio television, cassette player, recorder or other sound-producing device or musical instrument without the use of earphones. These devices and instruments may be played along the linear park underneath the Metrorail guideway only if they are not annoying or a nuisance.
Creating a nuisance and using any insulting or obscene language."
 
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mizzou said:
http://www.metrolinktrains.com/pdfs...licy_for_Photography_and_Video_Recordings.pdf

Anyway, I have problems tactically with what the guys were doing, they had their backs to the tracks. Also, when the guy was being placed under arrest for, I guess interfering with a LEO? (They looked like cops) They dilly dallied for way too long before going hands on.

If you aren't going to handcuff then sit there and bullshit until backup arrives.

You see the guy clench his fist and throw a punch when they try to arrest him, that type of aggression is dealt with aggression right back, and these guys seemed to just use their numbers to force him to the ground without beating the shit out of him.

All I see is a video of a drunk guy knowingly ignore a pretty silly rule and then get arrested when he refuses to comply with that rule or voluntarily leave.
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He was behind the line, and wasn't on the right of way. I really don't see a problem with what he was doing until the security guys started harassing him. After that there's a few issues, but there was no reason for the guards to approach the guy in the first place (that was saw in the video).
 
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Phoenix86 said:
He was behind the line, and wasn't on the right of way. I really don't see a problem with what he was doing until the security guys started harassing him. After that there's a few issues, but there was no reason for the guards to approach the guy in the first place (that was saw in the video).
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You don't need a reason to approach people, they can approach you for no reason at all. Detaining you though they do need a reason. In my edit above, I don't think they were on good ground when they said "You can't film here" when it appears you actually can video as long as it's not for a news program or educational program.

Now, if he was drunk and causing a general disturbance, that may have been better, but it didn't appear he was disturbing anyone other then the air around him. Keep in mind, we only get the edited video his friend put on youtube :)
 
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mizzou said:
All I see is a video of a drunk guy knowingly ignore a pretty silly rule and then get arrested when he refuses to comply with that rule or voluntarily leave.
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Put on your SandEagle Glasses and you will see it differently.

-KeithP
 
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mizzou said:
You don't need a reason to approach people, they can approach you for no reason at all. Detaining you though they do need a reason. In my edit above, I don't think they were on good ground when they said "You can't film here" when it appears you actually can video as long as it's not for a news program or educational program.

Now, if he was drunk and causing a general disturbance, that may have been better, but it didn't appear he was disturbing anyone other then the air around him. Keep in mind, we only get the edited video his friend put on youtube :)
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You're splitting hairs. Yes they can approach him, no they can't throw him out for no reason.

Even if he was drunk he wasn't causing a problem, again that we saw... Something happened before they started filming, we just don't know what. I'm guessing it was the filming part because that's the first then they said but it could have been more than that.
 
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