Secret UK troops plan for Afghan crisis

BBond

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I read this story and thought about all of the Bushies here who continue to insist, in the face of all reason, that Afghanistan is some kind of success in the "war on terror".

Well, if the attention span challenged Bushboy had kept his mind on his work instead of running off to pillage Iraq maybe that would be true. But the facts don't back up that conclusion. Period.

Now with the U.S. military stretched so thin due to Bush's lies in Iraq what are we going to do if the situation in Afghanistan continues to go downhill? Hmm George???

Secret UK troops plan for Afghan crisis

BRIAN BRADY
WESTMINSTER EDITOR

DEFENCE chiefs are planning to rush thousands of British troops to Afghanistan in a bid to stop the country sliding towards civil war, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.

Ministers have been warned they face a "complete strategic failure" of the effort to rebuild Afghanistan and that 5,500 extra troops will be needed within months if the situation continues to deteriorate.

An explosive cocktail of feuding tribal warlords, insurgents, the remnants of the Taliban, and under-performing Afghan institutions has left the fledgling democracy on the verge of disintegration, according to analysts and senior officers.

The looming crisis in Afghanistan is a serious setback for the US-led 'War on Terror' and its bid to promote western democratic values around the world.

Defence analysts say UK forces are already so over-stretched that any operation to restore order in Afghanistan can only succeed if substantial numbers of troops are redeployed from Iraq, itself in the grip of insurgency.

The UK contribution to the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan presently stands at fewer than 500, compared with the contribution of 8,000 troops to the Coalition presence in Iraq.

Planners at the UK military's Northolt headquarters have drawn up emergency proposals to send up to 5,500 troops to Afghanistan to help avert a descent into more widespread bloodshed.

As well as increasing the British presence in Afghanistan 10-fold, it would require additional funding of almost £500m.

MoD sources confirmed last night that the secret plans have been firmed up in response to persistent concerns that the notorious rebel commander Gulbadeen Hikmatyar has teamed up with Taliban fighters in the south.

An MoD source told Scotland on Sunday: "We are going into an area where there's a civil war going on. It's dangerous and it's somewhere new.

"People within the MoD are now saying we will have to deal with this and go into the south of the country. What they are saying is, don't do it piecemeal. We will have to do it properly."

Senior army and navy officers, along with officials from the Treasury, were in the region last week to survey the options.

But American military experts last night claimed an increase in the British presence in Afghanistan would inevitably threaten the numbers committed to Iraq.

Charles Heyman, a senior analyst with the defence information group Jane's, told Scotland on Sunday: "There's no doubt whatsoever that Afghanistan is caught in a very difficult position, where it is very hard to progress without committing more forces.

"There is not enough Coalition power, or Afghan government power, to extend their writ into the areas that have proved impossible to control. This is going to be a very difficult period.

"They might struggle to cover their commitment to Iraq, but even if they do that, it would mean that the UK could not take on any further military commitments anywhere else."

Afghanistan was liberated from the oppressive grip of the Taliban following the al-Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. American-led forces launched a ferocious assault on the regime, which was accused of harbouring Osama bin Laden and his closest allies. But they have been fighting a largely forgotten war with Afghan rebels, foreign insurgents and tribal warlords ever since.

The treacherous situation was underlined yesterday when a bomb exploded near a US military patrol in Zabul province, southern Afghanistan, killing one soldier and wounding three others.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai is due in Washington this week to discuss the deteriorating situation.

He is also expected to raise concerns about fresh claims that his countrymen had been abused by their US captors in Iraqi jails, allegations that provoked sustained protests around the country.

But a newspaper last night claimed that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had said in a memo that a poppy eradication program aimed at Afghanistan's heroin trade was ineffective partly because of President Hamid Karzai's leadership.
 

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But...but...but....U.S. units destined for Afghanistan have been held stateside since things are going so well in Afghanistan? Hmm...I wonder where the truth is? Think it's in a cave somewhere?
 

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Yup, perhaps the saddest part of the Iraq fiasco is that we do need troops to be elsewhere and we do need to fight the spread of WMDs. But Iraq has hindered efforts on both fronts.
 

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That's odd I speak to my friend Hermann all the time via e-mail and he is stationed in Afghanistan and he hasn't said anything bad going down.I know the first time he had contact was within the first month of his arrival but so far nothing.He is stationed in Orgun,Afghanistan which is 20miles from Pakistan though.

Hermann after combat patrol
Hermann with fellow soldiers
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...
You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.
Hmmm. The Scotsman is "non-credible" because ... ? I'll grant you it's no Faux News, but you are the "non-credible" one when you knee-jerk dismiss any source that doesn't parrot the Bush progaganda.


I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.
Just curious, did you actually read the OP (you know, the one you trashed)? "The treacherous situation was underlined yesterday when a bomb exploded near a US military patrol in Zabul province, southern Afghanistan, killing one soldier and wounding three others." Are you denying this happened?


Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there.
Interesting opinion; don't suppose you can produce factual stats to back that up? Be sure to adjust the rates based on troop population so we can do a real apples-to-apples comparison.

I won't hold my breath.


Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
Isn't that the same theory Bush used before 9/11?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command

Oh yes using an orange to prove your apple.

Typical.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command

Oh yes using an orange to prove your apple.

Typical.

He's comparing Afghanistan to Afghanistan.

WTF are you talking about?
 

Genx87

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Hmmm. The Scotsman is "non-credible" because ... ? I'll grant you it's no Faux News, but you are the "non-credible" one when you knee-jerk dismiss any source that doesn't parrot the Bush progaganda.

Hey brainiac you see the part where I said "non-credible OP"? What do you think OP stands for?

Just curious, did you actually read the OP (you know, the one you trashed)? "The treacherous situation was underlined yesterday when a bomb exploded near a US military patrol in Zabul province, southern Afghanistan, killing one soldier and wounding three others." Are you denying this happened?

See above

Interesting opinion; don't suppose you can produce factual stats to back that up? Be sure to adjust the rates based on troop population so we can do a real apples-to-apples comparison.

I won't hold my breath.

Show us how many have died in the past 6 months.

Isn't that the same theory Bush used before 9/11?

So you want to form opinions on things that "could" happen now?

Interesting where we can go with this.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command

Oh yes using an orange to prove your apple.

Typical.

He's comparing Afghanistan to Afghanistan.

WTF are you talking about?

An article about a former football player being killed in action somehow proves your article is truth?

You guys are really grasping today.


 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87

An article about a former football player being killed in action somehow proves your article is truth?

You guys are really grasping today.


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Little wonder Bush can get away with the crimes he commits when Americans can't even recognize a simple comparison.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87

An article about a former football player being killed in action somehow proves your article is truth?

You guys are really grasping today.

Little wonder Bush can get away with the crimes he commits when Americans can't even recognize a simple comparison.
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Well thank god people like you dont run this country or our jails would be filled up with people being convicted on conjecture.

You really cant be arguing this sports illustrated article about Tillmans parents being outraged somehow proves the British might be putting 5500 troops into afghanistan are you?

I mean for as non-credible as you already are, this will be taking you into no-nams land.



 

BBond

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Having trouble with apples to apples comparisons is a trademark of the Bushiviks.
 

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Yup, perhaps the saddest part of the Iraq fiasco is that we do need troops to be elsewhere and we do need to fight the spread of WMDs. But Iraq has hindered efforts on both fronts.

Huh, less than 10% of our troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Actually with reserves and all forces added together the number is closer to 4% or 5%.

Some crisis.

Please complain about real world issues, not that fantasy drivel that the NYT sells to leftist morons who have no concept of math.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Having trouble with apples to apples comparisons is a trademark of the Bushiviks.

Reality has always been a problem with you.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command

Oh yes using an orange to prove your apple.

Typical.
Typical of someone who is tired being lied too by our Government and Military. If this Administration is going to use this tragedy to try and manipulate the public's feelings how is anyone suppose to trust what they say about the whole situation there?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Hmmm. The Scotsman is "non-credible" because ... ? I'll grant you it's no Faux News, but you are the "non-credible" one when you knee-jerk dismiss any source that doesn't parrot the Bush progaganda.
Hey brainiac you see the part where I said "non-credible OP"? What do you think OP stands for?
Well, "brainiac" ( :roll: ), I know OP can stand for both "original post" and "original poster". Since you attacked the "OP" for "parad[ing] around" a "'possible' situation", that implies you're attacking The Scotsman since it's their story. The alternative is that your attack was a gratuitous personal attack on BBond and a duhversion from a story that reflects poorly on your worship in the White House.


Just curious, did you actually read the OP (you know, the one you trashed)? "The treacherous situation was underlined yesterday when a bomb exploded near a US military patrol in Zabul province, southern Afghanistan, killing one soldier and wounding three others." Are you denying this happened?

See above
Got it. You are not attempting to address the topic at all. It was just another of your personal attacks and duhversions. Not that there was ever any doubt, but it's nice to see you admit it, albeit indirectly.


Interesting opinion; don't suppose you can produce factual stats to back that up? Be sure to adjust the rates based on troop population so we can do a real apples-to-apples comparison.

I won't hold my breath.
Show us how many have died in the past 6 months.
You made the claim, "brainiac". Can you back it up or not?

Didn't think so. Also not a surprise.


Isn't that the same theory Bush used before 9/11?
So you want to form opinions on things that "could" happen now?

Interesting where we can go with this.
Speaking of duhversions. Sitting on your butt, ignoring information that doesn't further your agenda has worked so well for this administration ... and for America. NOT.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command

Oh yes using an orange to prove your apple.

Typical.
Typical of someone who is tired being lied too by our Government and Military. If this Administration is going to use this tragedy to try and manipulate the public's feelings how is anyone suppose to trust what they say about the whole situation there?

They honored the man for dying in action whether it was freidnly fire or not.
Does his sacrafice mean any less if he was shot by his own troops???

People seem to forget that when it comes to displaying their party hack badge. But again exactly what does that have to with a story based around conjecture that is set in the future????

Oh and remember this is also a super secret plan, I always love that as if it adds and reliability to the story.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87



They honored the man for dying in action whether it was freidnly fire or not.
Does his sacrafice mean any less if he was shot by his own troops???

People seem to forget that when it comes to displaying their party hack badge. But again exactly what does that have to with a story based around conjecture that is set in the future????

Oh and remember this is also a super secret plan, I always love that as if it adds and reliability to the story.

The U.S. military lied about the circumstances of his death. How does that honor him?

It's another case of Bush making up Jessica Lynch fairy tales in a Lynndie England world.

:roll:

Bush was just on with Karzai in one of the most riduculous "news conferences" I've ever seen. Happy talk, searching for foreign reporters they know are planted in the crowd, no follow ups, and plenty of sound bite happy talk for tomorrow's MSM "news".

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87



They honored the man for dying in action whether it was freidnly fire or not.
Does his sacrafice mean any less if he was shot by his own troops???

People seem to forget that when it comes to displaying their party hack badge. But again exactly what does that have to with a story based around conjecture that is set in the future????

Oh and remember this is also a super secret plan, I always love that as if it adds and reliability to the story.

The U.S. military lied about the circumstances of his death. How does that honor him?

It's another case of Bush making up Jessica Lynch fairy tales in a Lynndie England world.

:roll:

Bush was just on with Karzai in one of the most riduculous "news conferences" I've ever seen. Happy talk, searching for foreign reporters they know are planted in the crowd, no follow ups, and plenty of sound bite happy talk for tomorrow's MSM "news".

Ongoing investigation, however I do think they should have at least let the family know.

But I didnt know Bush is involved with every internal investigation within the army, navy, marines, and air force. On top of that he is also running every energy, oil, defense industry company. And in his spare time he likes to start wars so he can personally profit from them through all the above ties.

And you liberals have the gaul to call him stupid. Sounds like he is running one of the biggest legit rackets in the history of the world.
 

BBond

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The Bush administration has aggressively set the tone.

Don't cop out now.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: kage69
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C'mon chickenhawks, enlighten us as to the real picture...

You have a secret plan for a foreign powers increase in troops for a "possible" situation being paraded around by a non-credible OP.

I would think if it is as bad as the OP and his source are saying, we would at least have heard about increased fighting in the region. I cant even remember the last U.S. casualty report from this supposed hotzone.

Probably lost more men and women stateside in training accidents than we have in combat over there. Not impossible things arent stable but it hasnt happened yet so what is there to talk about?
It's almost impossible to decipher the BS regarding Afghanistan coming from the Dub's Administration and our Military Command

Oh yes using an orange to prove your apple.

Typical.

He's comparing Afghanistan to Afghanistan.

WTF are you talking about?

An article about a former football player being killed in action somehow proves your article is truth?

You guys are really grasping today.


No but it does lend some truth to the fact the admin has been liying to us, and it points out the fact that we know nothing.
 

CanOWorms

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Afghanis = undesirables in the minds of the UK... and they want to rush in 5500 soldiers. Hmmmm...