(Second + Third) Ebola Confirmed Infection Dallas

[DrPizza]

I don't get it. Why are these nurses working under these conditions? Why wouldn't they just refuse, quarantine the patient (let him die even), and let the media know that we need real preparedness?

This is just stupid. Has nothing to do with our healthcare system or anything else I was worried about. It's just pure stupidity.

You can bet that if the nurses were unionized, they would force the hospital to take their safety a little more seriously. People, especially on these forums, seem to have this misguided belief that the purpose of unions is to make money for the unions and their members. It's beginning to sound like they had inadequate equipment for dealing with this. It also makes me wonder how well trained nurses are in other hospitals/states compared to my area/state.

 

[moonbogg]

But according to atot someone has to basically have explosive diarrhea in your mouth while showing symptoms in order for Ebola to be transmitted.

LOL shit man haha. Come on now ahahah.

 

[Markbnj]

You can bet that if the nurses were unionized, they would force the hospital to take their safety a little more seriously. People, especially on these forums, seem to have this misguided belief that the purpose of unions is to make money for the unions and their members. It's beginning to sound like they had inadequate equipment for dealing with this. It also makes me wonder how well trained nurses are in other hospitals/states compared to my area/state.

My wife is an R.N. on an active care ward in a major regional hospital. I have no idea how prepared they are for any infection, although I do know it's been on their radar for awhile. What I can say for sure, though, is that they are all working for institutions that are chronically under-staffed, under-supplied, bound by horrendous layers of insurance and legal regulation, buried under mountains of archaic paperwork and kludgy one-off software systems, and managed by bottom-liners and ladder-climbers.

Other than that I'm sure everything is fine and the situation is well in hand.

 

[ultimatebob]

I have to admit this is what made me stop this morning and do some reading.

Obama canceling fundraising over it? yeah its worse then they are claiming.

Or, maybe he just doesn't want to see yet another "OBAMA GOES FUNDRAISING WITH WEALTHY LIBERAL ELITES IN CONNECTICUT WHILE PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM EBOLA!!!!" headline on Fox News.

Ah, who am I kidding, they'll just find a slightly different headline to use and run the story anyway

 

[Chapbass]

Then pay them more for treating ebola patients and being in quarantine. Have a special team for treating ebola patients and offer them time and half or double time or whatever while treating these patients. During that time they are quarantined in hospital facilities and only treat the ebola patient or patients. Maybe if they take this seriously enough from the start we could avoid it getting to the point where procedures like this would be unsustainable. Instead they are letting these nurses and doctors treat other patients, go on trips, whatever. It's time to start taking this serious BEFORE it gets out of control.

This, right here. I've seen that ridiculous cartoon all over facebook with the guy screaming about Ebola but holding the cheeseburger and hes overweight and all of that, comparing the death counts of obesity and smoking vs ebola.

While thats true right now, you can't catch obesity, and smoking, compared to something like Ebola, is an incredibly minor threat of being in the same room as person who has it (smoking, in this case).

At the same time, if we don't take this seriously now, then how the hell do you get rid of once the numbers expand a hundred or thousandfold? Its a hell of a lot harder. I don't understand why people aren't taking this incredibly seriously. If someone has had contact with someone that has ebola, then they should be under mandatory quarantine, no exceptions. Its 3 weeks, in the grand scheme of things that is nothing.

 

[Ns1]

Its 3 weeks, in the grand scheme of things that is nothing.

but dude, my favorite soup is only served on Fridays. how can I get soup if I'm under quarantine?

 

[moonbogg]

I have a friend who is a manager at a medical clinic. He said they aren't anything like prepared for Ebola and most medical facilities simply aren't. He talked about how careful you have to be when removing the gloves, so slow and meticulous you must be to not touch it and how easy it is to make a mistake. Prevention is the only way here or else buy food and ammo.

 

[SMOGZINN]

You can bet that if the nurses were unionized, they would force the hospital to take their safety a little more seriously.

Texas Health Presbyterian has a nurses union, National Nurses United. Just in Texas they don't have any teeth.

 

[vi edit]

You can bet that if the nurses were unionized, they would force the hospital to take their safety a little more seriously.

No union or policy can replace or fix bad practice. Things like the amount of time spent washing hands, to the attention paid to scrubbing your hands, and then on to the way that you activate or turn off water faucets and dispose of soiled towels. Ect.

All the good policy and environments in the world are undone with lazy and ineffective adoption of them.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If someone has had contact with someone that has ebola, then they should be under mandatory quarantine, no exceptions. Its 3 weeks, in the grand scheme of things that is nothing.

Seriously, you start doing 3 weeks of mandatory quarantine you are going to have problems finding nurses that will do it. Would you take a job that would cause you to sit in a room for 3 weeks afterwards?

If you pay them enough, you will find some that will do it for the money. But no hospital is going to pay a nurse 24/7 overtime for 3+ weeks to sit in a room and watch TV, and as long as the hospital is not willing to pay, the nurses are not going to be willing to work.

 

[NoTine42]

^^ no doubt, and it will be twice as bad if anyone dies from it.

All hospitals kill patients. Most commonly it's the "infection from surgery" and most of that may be preventable if enough care was taken.

 

[Linux23]

We live in an age where taking a sick day is sin. I've come in sick for jobs, didn't think it was a big deal, and even thought I was being a "good employee" for working through sickness.

People usually see doctors in the first-world before they feel the need to call an ambulance. The route from home to the hospital can be a long one (e.g. public transit or taxi). Hope the guy gets a seat on public transit because every bar he/she hangs onto can be trouble. And I hope he doesn't sit across from anyone -- I've had so many people cough in my direction, especially when they're sitting perpendicular to me.

Still, I'm not worried yet. But the fact that it's not contained and has spread onto two more continents in the past week or two isn't good news.

Exactly. Do you think people are going to self quarantine when people are scared to take time off for the common flu in fear of losing their jobs? Hell, people are scared to take their scheduled vacation time in fear of being replaced.

This is the America we live in and sadly enough it may be our undoing.

 

[Linux23]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078863#.

that's fuckin creepy dude.

 

[Mai72]

I think I got Ebola!! I can't see. Oh God. I can't see.

 

[Ns1]

I think I got Ebola!! I can't see. Oh God. I can't see.

that's the excessive masturbation

 

[moonbogg]

That Obama flash thing above is funny.

Also, I love the act that these newscasters put on for us. They put on such a fake show. The look on their faces is so strained to appear as if they actually give a shit about Ebola. They don't give a shit. They are motivated by paycheck to pretend like they give a damn. They will go to the bar after work and drink it up and never think about Ebola until reading the script for tomorrow's show.

 

[Ns1]

O_O

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, with a low-grade fever, a day before she showed up at the hospital reporting symptoms.
...
“Although she (Vinson) did not report any symptoms and she did not meet the fever threshold of 100.4, she did report at that time she took her temperature and found it to be 99.5,” said CDC Director Tom Frieden. Her temperature coupled with the fact that she had been exposed to the virus should have prevented her from getting on the plane, he said. “I don’t think that changes the level of risk of people around her. She did not vomit, she was not bleeding, so the level of risk of people around her would be extremely low.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/

 

[paperfist]

also they are saying one lady who was exposed was allowed to fly on a commercial jet?

WHAT? lol i don't get it..why?

Talk about no responsibility...

That CDC doctor said 78 possible health care workers were exposed by the Liberian patient.

Now he's going to have to go on TV and walk back his statements again, revealing that thanks to no one listening to CDC anti-Eboloa measures the exposure is now unlimited.

 

[Imp]

O_O




http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/

Risk is low... But that means another 5-21 days (+ out of body survival time of Ebola) to see if this shit keeps going.

 

[AdamK47]

Ain't nobody got time for ebola.

 

[Ns1]

Risk is low... But that means another 5-21 days (+ out of body survival time of Ebola) to see if this shit keeps going.

 

[SP33Demon]

Holy shit these health care workers are dumb. She had a fever before traveling on a plane and couldn't put one and one together? FFS

 

[Ns1]

I put this together to help you guys out, based on my knowledge learned in ATOT ebola threads:

 

[Scarpozzi]

Holy shit these health care workers are dumb. She had a fever before traveling on a plane and couldn't put one and one together? FFS

How do you think the hospital found people to work on an ebola patient to begin with...

 

[monkeydelmagico]

I don't get why they flew people from Africa to the US and put them in specialized infectious disease hospitals like Emory and Nebraska Medical, but we get actual cases here in the US and they just leave them to be treated at this random hospital in Dallas? Why wasn't Duncan moved to Atlanta or Nebraska where they actually understand how to treat infectious diseases? Why aren't these nurses being moved there? This hospital is clearly incapable of working with these patients. Also it's astounding to me that someone involved in the treatment of someone with ebola is just allowed to take off on a trip. How can that hospital be that irresponsible?

Agreed. Ebola is a level 4 pathogen. We only have a few locations designed to properly contain it. Public health leaders know this so the real question becomes why this is being allowed to happen.