(Second + Third) Ebola Confirmed Infection Dallas

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Ns1

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derp derp

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-dallas-20141014-story.html#page=1

RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United, said the nonunionized Texas nurses could not identify themselves, speak to the media independently or even read their statements over the phone because they feared losing their jobs. In a conference call, questions from the media were relayed to the unknown number of nurses by National Nurses United representatives, and the responses were read back to reporters.

DeMoro said all of the nurses had direct knowledge of what had transpired in the days after Duncan arrived at the hospital on Sept. 28.

Among other things, they said that Duncan “was left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present.”

When a nurse supervisor demanded that he be moved into isolation, the supervisor “faced resistance from other hospital authorities,” the nurses said.

They described a hospital with no clear guidelines in place for handling Ebola patients, where Duncan’s lab specimens were sent through the usual hospital tube system “without being specifically sealed and hand-delivered. The result is that the entire tube system, which all the lab systems are sent, was potentially contaminated,” they said.

"There was no advanced preparedness on what to do with the patient. There was no protocol; there was no system. The nurses were asked to call the infectious disease department" if they had questions, they said.

The nurses said they were essentially left to figure things out for themselves as they dealt with “copious amounts” of body fluids from Duncan while wearing gloves with no wrist tapes, gowns that did not cover their necks, and no surgical booties. Protective gear eventually arrived, but not until three days after Duncan’s admission to the hospital, they said.

The nurses’ allegations conflict with what hospital officials have been saying since Duncan’s admission: that they have strict protocols in place for handling such patients and that a mistake led to Pham becoming infected while she treated him.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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No idea, but if you factor in that the people of Africa have relatively terrible nutrition, mostly live in poverty, and have relatively poor hygiene and regular access to medical care, the survival rate would probably be higher in the first-world.

I've heard things about the survival rate in Africa likely being over-reported... It might not be a rosy as people are expecting if it spreads a fair degree here although I harbor my doubts of it spreading that badly.
 

doubledeluxe

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I don't get it. Why are these nurses working under these conditions? Why wouldn't they just refuse, quarantine the patient (let him die even), and let the media know that we need real preparedness?

This is just stupid. Has nothing to do with our healthcare system or anything else I was worried about. It's just pure stupidity.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I don't get it. Why are these nurses working under these conditions? Why wouldn't they just refuse, quarantine the patient (let him die even), and let the media know that we need real preparedness?

This is just stupid. Has nothing to do with our healthcare system or anything else I was worried about. It's just pure stupidity.

The pressure of maintaining their livelihood.
 

Dari

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So all these healthcare workers in Africa and the West are getting and dying from this disease, yet volunteering to join the ebola team at special hospitals in Atlanta, Kansas, and Texas is standing room only. Weird.
 

Paratus

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They told us:
  • Asymptomatic people aren't contagious
  • Infected are very infectious through their bodily fluids
  • Those with direct contact with the deceased are being monitored
  • The hosipital has a plan in place for dealing with infectious patients

Looks like 3 out of the 4 are true.
So far none of his direct relatives have caught it, the two who have were directly involved with his bodily fluids and were caught shortly after presenting symptoms.

However it looks like this hospitals containment plan is woefully inadequate.

I predict any secondary infections from these two new cases will be other health-care workers, that the CDC will take a heavy hand in the care of these patients over the hospital managment, and most other hospitals in the US are going to be going over their infectious disease plans with a fine tooth comb.
 

Exterous

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I predict any secondary infections from these two new cases will be other health-care workers, that the CDC will take a heavy hand in the care of these patients over the hospital managment, and most other hospitals in the US are going to be going over their infectious disease plans with a fine tooth comb.

Yep. The CDC now says it will provide special response teams immediately in the future

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it's moved a team of experienced experts in to help a Dallas hospital where a nurse became infected with Ebola to improve "every step in the process." And they'll send in a special response team to help any hospital in the future that gets an Ebola patient.

The team will help workers there improve their techniques for safely caring for Nina Pham, who was infected while herself caring for Thomas Eric Duncan before he died.

The first and most important is ensuring that every hour of the day there’s a site manager there who is overseeing aspects of infection control," CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden told a news conference. One thing the site manager will do is make sure someone spots workers as they put on and take off personal protective equipment (PPE).

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/cdc-promises-special-ebola-response-teams-n225636
 

Pens1566

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Duncan didn't get a transfusion, because his blood wasn't compatible with Brantly or else anyone whose blood was available.

I wasn't concerned with why he didn't receive a transfusion. Merely correcting someone that insisted no one had received a transfusion. Quite the opposite actually.
 

drebo

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I think Duncan was a new breed of suicide bomber. Someone should check for ISIS connections or something. I WANT JUSTICE!

Not really, but I'm surprised someone hasn't said it already.
 

NFS4

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Newest Ebola patient flew Frontier Airlines day before diagnosis

The second healthcare worker who tested positive for Ebola last night flew by air Oct. 13th, the day before she reported symptoms, reported the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a release.

She flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The CDC is asking all 132 passangers on the flight to call 1 800-CDC INFO (1 800-232-4636).

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078863#.

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Phoenix86

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So people who treated an ebola patient, and were being monitored thought it was a good idea to hop on a plane? Jeeebus.
 

Pens1566

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So people who treated an ebola patient, and were being monitored thought it was a good idea to hop on a plane? Jeeebus.

The hospital workers were only being self monitored. Not in the official list of 48 either.