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second floor to 11th floor wifi--possible ?

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vxmqzz

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My friend lives at second floor, I am at 11th floor, he is getting cable internet, will any router be powerful enough to broadcasting the wifi signal so I can join his wifi network ? Thanks!!
 
her209 was being nice. What he really meant was...

"When all the planets are aligned there is a .01% possibility"
🙂
 
If the places are on the same external wall and have Windows on the same wall, you can try putting two Bridged Wireless Access Points with High dbi Directional Antennae punting Windows to Window. I.e. the signal might travel outside Window to Windows.
 
Originally posted by: JackMDS
If the places are on the same external wall and have Windows on the same wall, you can try putting two Bridged Wireless Access Points with High dbi Directional Antennae punting Windows to Window. I.e. the signal might travel outside Window to Windows.
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yeah, that might work...then again, this might all be against the terms of his friends ISP
 
Originally posted by: xSauronxthen again, this might all be against the terms of his friends ISP
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Originally posted by: vxmqzzso I can join his wifi network ? Thanks!!
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Joining the friend's network is No against any TOS.

Using the friend's Internet connection might. I hope that this Not the OP Goal.
 
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Originally posted by: xSauronxthen again, this might all be against the terms of his friends ISP
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Originally posted by: vxmqzzso I can join his wifi network ? Thanks!!
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Using the friend's Internet connection might. I hope that this Not the OP Goal.
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the catalyst of this setup is his friend getting cable internet...id think so.
 
actually yes, we wanted to split the cost, it is kind of a waste for 2 people living in the same building to order two internet services if it is very easy to share. I didn't know this is against TOS. What about people live door to door ? Can't share internet as well ?
 
Your friend should read his ISP TOS.

In most cases sharing is allowed only within one house hold.

Otherwise there is always the risk that the ISP would find about the Illegitimate share and would give you grief.

Contrary to the "Street" believes, if the ISP bothers to, it is very easy for them to Identify sharing.
 
Originally posted by: vxmqzz
actually yes, we wanted to split the cost, it is kind of a waste for 2 people living in the same building to order two internet services if it is very easy to share. I didn't know this is against TOS. What about people live door to door ? Can't share internet as well ?
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Nope, or at least: not in the U.S. or Western Europe. I don't know where you're from. If the two rooms have two different street addresses then they are two different domiciles and each requires a separate contract. Maybe someday the cable companies will sell service at the individual level, and a beam from space will follow you around and provide 1 GBPS service wherever you are. For now, their technology relies on connecting wires to buildings, and so that's the way they sell the stuff.
 
Speakeasy DSL service actually used to (or may still) encourage WiFi internet access cost sharing between neighboring addresses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakeasy_%28ISP%29
"Speakeasy, Inc. is a broadband internet service provider and Voice over IP carrier based in Seattle, Washington. They are known for their liberal usage policies for home users whereby subscribers are explicitly permitted to run any number of servers[1] and are permitted to resell their connectivity to others through the "NetShare" service."

As far as sticking a small WiFi antenna out of both apartment windows (with a direct line of sight): how would the cable company find out, unless someone notices and reports it? The cable company, just by looking at their records, wouldn't be able to distinguish between a WiFi router sharing "in house" vs. either: "house to house" or "apartment to apartment". Obviously, you'd want to use a good quality dual-band "N" router for best transfer speed. Maybe an Apple Airport Extreme, D-Link DIR655, or similar quality "N" band WiFi router.
There's also the phenomenon of one person "borrowing" another neighbor's unsecured WiFi router for temporarily "free" internet access.
 
Originally posted by: JackMDS
Your friend should read his ISP TOS.

In most cases sharing is allowed only within one house hold.

Otherwise there is always the risk that the ISP would find about the Illegitimate share and would give you grief.

Contrary to the "Street" believes, if the ISP bothers to, it is very easy for them to Identify sharing.
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Assuming the wifi network was protected, and OP could actually connect (not bloody likely), how would they possibly be able to tell?
 
If the Antennae are out of the Windows, a simple $30 Wireless Routers would work.

If the Antennae are inside, I doubt that even a $160 Gizmo would work.
 
In most cases they won't. However they might monitor traffic and decide your going over and leave you 2 to figure it out. 2 people tend to have 2 distinct patterns but it might be hard to show that it is 2 people at 2 locations. However if they decide one day that they "think" you are doing it, they just security cap your connection and wait for you to call in.
 
spidey07 said:
Traffic patterns and TCP sequencing.
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Neither of which would signal that it was someone in a different apartment as opposed to someone living in the same appartment. My brother and I live together. We have different schedules and different tastes. Our traffic patterns / usage times / etc... are completely different. We each have our own computer (well multiple computers and various other devices that connect). It was the same way in college. Everyone in the house / apartment split the cost of the internet. It's the same in many families throughout the country. The fact is, the ISP can see the funny patterns (which probably don't look all that funny to them... based on the amount of homes that have more than a single user)... they can't tell where those people are connecting from though. They can't tell what side of the wall you are on.

Saying that they are going to bust you for "odd patterns" is like saying Walmart is going to stop accepting checks from a given racial group because "they might not be good for it." They are glad to take your money... unless you give them some reason to investigate you (serving a bunch of illegal files or something of that nature)... I highly doubt you have anything to worry about.

I still don't think it's worth the effort though. I'd rather pay for my own connection and have complete control over it (and get a good signal from my router).
 
Legally no way to do it from indoors. The FCC would be all over you for the power output you would need.

If your two windows line up you could use a cantenna to do the link though. 11 stories is only 110 feet. Easy for a cantenna link with line of sight.
 
A pair of Ubiquiti Nanostations ($60 each) can easily bridge your networks over that distance if you can get line of sight between your balconies. The 5 GHz Nanostations would be less prone to interference but cost a little more. Such a setup would be completely FCC legal but as other have pointed out ISP contracts usually stipulate against such sharing.

Without line of sight, you might try a pair of powerline networking devices however that might not work even if your apartments are on the same phase.
 
I don't think the FCC would really have a problem with it. Sure if they found you pumping out omni directional 2.4 at like 200 watts they are going to can your ass. Thats if they find you. The chances of that happening are very slim.
 
xSauronx said:
yeah, that might work...then again, this might all be against the terms of his friends ISP
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So? Why should we care? It's a service agreement, not a law, and in any case we never signed it.

vxmqzz, even if your friend's cable company finds out you two are sharing a connection, the worst they can do is to cut off your account.* If your friend is willing to accept that risk, then knock yourselves out. Good luck getting a signal, though.

(*They could try suing your friend, but first of all they'd probably lose, badly, and second of all lots of people share their Internet connections, and I've never ever heard of someone getting sued for it, with the sole exception of this idiot. They wouldn't be able to sue you, unless somehow you've signed a contract with them.)
 
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Yep. Eazy peazy...

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=Q%2DBridge&eq=&Tp=

A little bit pricey up front for consumer use, but think of what you'll save every month but do your own private use cost-benefit analysis. Gotta see a return on investment at some point.

Other sites to check out:
Moonblink Communications
Tally Communications
Wincomm

Other companies to check out:
Proxim
Airspan
Redline Communicaitons
Dragonwave
Tranzeo
Netkrom
Motorola

Not sure what's in your budget, and the large majority of this stuff is commercial carrier grade equipment with commercial grade pricing but between all these you should find something to do what you're wanting without going 10 years into debt. Or, you could just get your own internet service. 😉 .

-JR

Another thing I failed to suggest. You could always try doing a high-power WiFi card (like a Buffalo) with a can-tenna. (google for Pringles + WiFi)
 
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