Seattle Moves to Ban Lap Dances [UPDATE] IT PASSED

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Amused
The legislation was requested by Mayor Greg Nickels and will take effect six months after he signs it. The mayor's office said the restrictions were needed to prevent a rash of cabarets from opening after a federal judge struck down the city's 17-year moratorium on new strip clubs.

Coming from a college debater, I fail to see where the city council lays out the harms in this moratorium lifting. I mean, if I sue my doctor because he prescribed me something for my back aches, I have to show in court that the reason I was doing that was because what he subscribed me was estrogen and all it did was make me grow breasts.

See? There has to be a demonstrated harm because they can never be implied. More strip clubs =! bad automatically.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.

Property Values and Crime? Hmmm the Right is always harping about Property Rights and fighting crime. Maybe these Liberals are confused! LOL:laugh:

 

[nakedfrog]

Wow. Very lame. Might as well just force them to shut down. I suppose all the good clubs will probably open up just outside city limits or something now.
Omaha doesn't allow them to be topless, but Council Bluffs does. It takes ten or twenty minutes to drive from Omaha to Council Bluffs.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Spooner
how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country

What does "nakedness is obscene" have to do with a girl grinding her crouch into your lap?

 

[luckysnafu]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I don't care about strip clubs, but they really need to loosen up on the liquor regulations in WA. The taxes and lack of availability are ridiculous.

IIRC Connecticut is the worse. No liquor after 9:00 pm, and no alcohol on sundays

Make that after 8pm and no alcohol sales on Sundays. It sucked, I went to college in that state.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.

Property Values and Crime? Hmmm the Right is always harping about Property Rights and fighting crime. Maybe these Liberals are confused! LOL:laugh:

Make no mistake, the left is every bit about "not in my backyard" as the worst of the right-wingers.

Again, the American left-wing is anything but "liberal." They are authoritarian socialists.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Amused
Oh, I agree. But the myth that it's only the right wing doing this is clearly busted by this post.

In Missouri, recently, this was not a myth. A Republican State Representative from Independence, MO (just outside of KC) proposed legislation that would effectively end all strip clubs. Patrons and workers had to be 21+, strippers had to be 10+ feet away from patrons, and they could not be fully naked. The best part was that he or someone in that legislature attached it to a bill that toughened drunken driving punishments. So, if anyone voted against it, they would obviously be charged with "being FOR drunken driving."

The worst part was that the entire bill was struck down because the state's supreme court rightly ruled that this was a case of logrolling (the practice of tagging a bill onto another bill when they are COMPLETELY unrelated to one another), which is illegal. Also, in Missouri, they can't Constitutionally restrict the age of anything other than alcohol consumption to people 21 or older since 18 is considered the legal age of majority (basically meaning they have the right to make all those decisions themselves at that age). So, you can buy tobacco, buy firearms, enter into contracts, etc. once you're 18. But now because of some right-wing zealot, those increased penalties for drunk drivers - something that actually IS important to our safety and well-being - will have to wait for another vote.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Amused
Oh, I agree. But the myth that it's only the right wing doing this is clearly busted by this post.

In Missouri, recently, this was not a myth. A Republican State Representative from Independence, MO (just outside of KC) proposed legislation that would effectively end all strip clubs. Patrons and workers had to be 21+, strippers had to be 10+ feet away from patrons, and they could not be fully naked. The best part was that he or someone in that legislature attached it to a bill that toughened drunken driving punishments. So, if anyone voted against it, they would obviously be charged with "being FOR drunken driving."

The worst part was that the entire bill was struck down because the state's supreme court rightly ruled that this was a case of logrolling (the practice of tagging a bill onto another bill when they are COMPLETELY unrelated to one another), which is illegal. Also, in Missouri, they can't Constitutionally restrict the age of anything other than alcohol consumption to people 21 or older since 18 is considered the legal age of majority (basically meaning they have the right to make all those decisions themselves at that age). So, you can buy tobacco, buy firearms, enter into contracts, etc. once you're 18. But now because of some right-wing zealot, those increased penalties for drunk drivers - something that actually IS important to our safety and well-being - will have to wait for another vote.

Note I said "ONLY."

I never said the right-wing wasn't guilty of this. I merely pointed out that even the farthest left of the left-wing was just as oppressive.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Spooner
how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country

What does "nakedness is obscene" have to do with a girl grinding her crouch into your lap?

Crouch?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Spooner
how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country

What does "nakedness is obscene" have to do with a girl grinding her crouch into your lap?

Crouch?

That's what the pussy does just before it pounces on you.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.

Property Values and Crime? Hmmm the Right is always harping about Property Rights and fighting crime. Maybe these Liberals are confused! LOL:laugh:

Make no mistake, the left is every bit about "not in my backyard" as the worst of the right-wingers.

Again, the American left-wing is anything but "liberal." They are authoritarian socialists.

[Chiken Little] The sky is falling, the sky is falling[/Chicken Little] That's ridiculous, only the Left Wing Extremists are Authoritarian Socialist just like only the Right Wing Extremists and some Baptists are Authoritarian Facists!

 

[Ferocious]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Amused
Oh, I agree. But the myth that it's only the right wing doing this is clearly busted by this post.

In Missouri, recently, this was not a myth. A Republican State Representative from Independence, MO (just outside of KC) proposed legislation that would effectively end all strip clubs. Patrons and workers had to be 21+, strippers had to be 10+ feet away from patrons, and they could not be fully naked. The best part was that he or someone in that legislature attached it to a bill that toughened drunken driving punishments. So, if anyone voted against it, they would obviously be charged with "being FOR drunken driving."

The worst part was that the entire bill was struck down because the state's supreme court rightly ruled that this was a case of logrolling (the practice of tagging a bill onto another bill when they are COMPLETELY unrelated to one another), which is illegal. Also, in Missouri, they can't Constitutionally restrict the age of anything other than alcohol consumption to people 21 or older since 18 is considered the legal age of majority (basically meaning they have the right to make all those decisions themselves at that age). So, you can buy tobacco, buy firearms, enter into contracts, etc. once you're 18. But now because of some right-wing zealot, those increased penalties for drunk drivers - something that actually IS important to our safety and well-being - will have to wait for another vote.

Note I said "ONLY."

I never said the right-wing wasn't guilty of this. I merely pointed out that even the farthest left of the left-wing was just as oppressive.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Wow seems like a day of enlightment for you.

Read up on Stalin, often considered an extreme leftist.

Extreme rightists and leftists come around to effectively end up at the same point....Authoritarianism.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Ferocious

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Amused
Oh, I agree. But the myth that it's only the right wing doing this is clearly busted by this post.

In Missouri, recently, this was not a myth. A Republican State Representative from Independence, MO (just outside of KC) proposed legislation that would effectively end all strip clubs. Patrons and workers had to be 21+, strippers had to be 10+ feet away from patrons, and they could not be fully naked. The best part was that he or someone in that legislature attached it to a bill that toughened drunken driving punishments. So, if anyone voted against it, they would obviously be charged with "being FOR drunken driving."

The worst part was that the entire bill was struck down because the state's supreme court rightly ruled that this was a case of logrolling (the practice of tagging a bill onto another bill when they are COMPLETELY unrelated to one another), which is illegal. Also, in Missouri, they can't Constitutionally restrict the age of anything other than alcohol consumption to people 21 or older since 18 is considered the legal age of majority (basically meaning they have the right to make all those decisions themselves at that age). So, you can buy tobacco, buy firearms, enter into contracts, etc. once you're 18. But now because of some right-wing zealot, those increased penalties for drunk drivers - something that actually IS important to our safety and well-being - will have to wait for another vote.

Note I said "ONLY."

I never said the right-wing wasn't guilty of this. I merely pointed out that even the farthest left of the left-wing was just as oppressive.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Wow seems like a day of enlightment for you.

Read up on Stalin, often considered an extreme leftist.

Extreme rightists and leftists come around to effectively end up at the same point....Authoritarianism.

Oh no, I've known this for quite some time. However, most of the college age kids here (and some of the shameless older folks) either are woefully ignorant or in denial about it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.

Property Values and Crime? Hmmm the Right is always harping about Property Rights and fighting crime. Maybe these Liberals are confused! LOL:laugh:

Make no mistake, the left is every bit about "not in my backyard" as the worst of the right-wingers.

Again, the American left-wing is anything but "liberal." They are authoritarian socialists.

[Chiken Little] The sky is falling, the sky is falling[/Chicken Little] That's ridiculous, only the Left Wing Extremists are Authoritarian Socialist just like only the Right Wing Extremists and some Baptists are Authoritarian Facists!

Is it only the left wing extremists who have passed the slew of nanny-state laws in our lifetime, Red?

I think not.

The sky may not be falling, but our freedoms and rights certainly are.

 

[Tylanner]

awesome

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: luckysnafu

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I don't care about strip clubs, but they really need to loosen up on the liquor regulations in WA. The taxes and lack of availability are ridiculous.

IIRC Connecticut is the worse. No liquor after 9:00 pm, and no alcohol on sundays

Make that after 8pm and no alcohol sales on Sundays. It sucked, I went to college in that state.

Milwaukee of all places doesn't sell alcohol after 9pm. That just means buy it earlier in the day or go to a bar. It's really not that big of a deal in my opinion.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Amused
Note I said "ONLY."

I never said the right-wing wasn't guilty of this. I merely pointed out that even the farthest left of the left-wing was just as oppressive.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I saw it. I even lean more right than left usually. But I hate that guy because I think he's legislating morality. Just using the opportunity to bash that idiot. Sen. Matt Bartle is his name (sorry, I mistakenly labeled him a State Rep. instead of a Senator). Hate that guy.

 

[gopunk]

from somebody that lived in seattle, the city council and mayor never struck me as noticeably liberal. i also wonder if this has anything to do with the recent SPD scandal involving strip clubs.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Make that after 8pm and no alcohol sales on Sundays. It sucked, I went to college in that state.

___

They recently made it 9pm if the store chose to stay open. Most stores only stay open to 9pm Thur-Sat, though.

seems this country (land of the free, etc) gets tighter every year

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: PatrickBateman

Make that after 8pm and no alcohol sales on Sundays. It sucked, I went to college in that state.

___

They recently made it 9pm if the store chose to stay open. Most stores only stay open to 9pm Thur-Sat, though.

seems this country (land of the free, etc) gets tighter every year

We repealed prohibition in a hurry, I see.

 

[IamElectro]

Originally posted by: luckysnafu

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I don't care about strip clubs, but they really need to loosen up on the liquor regulations in WA. The taxes and lack of availability are ridiculous.

IIRC Connecticut is the worse. No liquor after 9:00 pm, and no alcohol on sundays

Make that after 8pm and no alcohol sales on Sundays. It sucked, I went to college in that state.

I visted a buddy there 2 summers ago. I hated looking for a Package Store to get a fresh 40.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: gopunk
from somebody that lived in seattle, the city council and mayor never struck me as noticeably liberal. i also wonder if this has anything to do with the recent SPD scandal involving strip clubs.

not liberal, as you can hardly call democrats liberal these days. but certainly democrats (which run king county and ensure that all sorts of dead people and made up people with addresses of the king county election office vote, for democrats of course. your governor's election was a farce of democracy)

 

[IndieSnob]

All of this was done because the city couldn't stand that a federal judge did away with the moratorium of opening new strip clubs in city limits.
We also had stripper-gate where the owners of Ricks and Honey's (two VERY popular local strip clubs) were caught giving bribes to city council members in order to get the the size of Rick's lot rezoned (more parking spaces). In effect, I think the city really wanted to try to put on a face with local citizens showing that they don't accept bribes and won't let the clubs get away with anything they want. It also has to do with the ultra liberalism of that the females dancers are being degraded.

Any which way, I haven't gone to the clubs in years so it's no big loss to me, but I think it's an absolute travesty to those that are employed in the industry and their patrons.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Spooner
how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country

What does "nakedness is obscene" have to do with a girl grinding her crouch into your lap?

Crouch?

That's what the pussy does just before it pounces on you.

Crouching pussy hidden twenty?

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: Linflas

The Combat Zone was a big deal in the 1970's. Funny how then most cities had an area that type of entertainment was confined to. Times Square in NYC, Broadway in San Diego, "The Block" in Baltimore, 14th Street in DC are the ones I remember from that time.

Glad to see our block in Baltimore gets some recognition. Our best clubs aren't on "the block" anymore though, but rather the outskirts of the city.