Seattle Moves to Ban Lap Dances [UPDATE] IT PASSED

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Seattle Moves to Ban Lap Dances
By GENE JOHNSON, AP

SEATTLE (Oct. 2) - Strippers who venture too near the laps of their dollar-bill-waving patrons have exposed an unexpected prudish streak in this West Coast bastion of tolerance and liberalism.

Fearing a spate of new cabarets after a federal judge struck down the city's 17-year moratorium on new strip clubs, the City Council is planning to vote Monday on some of the strictest adult-entertainment regulations of any big city in the country.

No lap dances. No placing dollar bills in a dancer's G-string. And the clubs must have what one council member likens to "Fred Meyer" lighting, a reference to the department store chain.

"It's wiping out an entire industry in Seattle," said Gilbert Levy, a lawyer for Rick's gentleman's club.

Seattle's queasiness over naked dancing contradicts its usual freewill attitude, dating back to the city's thriving business separating prospectors from their gold at brothels and saloons. Anti-war demonstrations are routine here, a gay population has thrived for nearly a century, and residents voted two years ago to make enforcing marijuana laws the police department's lowest priority.

"Seattle had always had that reputation for being a wide-open town, so it's an almost-normal kind of Seattle controversy - what is sin?" said local historian David Wilma.

After the number of strip clubs jumped from two to seven between 1986 and 1988, the city imposed a 180-day moratorium on new cabarets while it studied the issue. Over the next two decades, the City Council repeatedly extended the moratorium, in part to avoid the politically sensitive issue of where the new strip clubs would be allowed.

The number of strip clubs in the city fell to four. By contrast, Atlanta has roughly three dozen.

But last month, U.S. District Judge James Robart ruled the moratorium was an unconstitutional restraint on free speech. The city could wind up paying the plaintiff, a man who wants to open a club downtown, millions of dollars in damages.

In anticipation of the ruling, Democratic Mayor Greg Nickels came up with rules to discourage new strip clubs and make it easier to police existing ones.

Under these rules, dancers would have to stay 4 feet away from customers, private rooms would be barred, customers couldn't give money directly to entertainers, and the minimum lighting would be increased - think parking-garage brightness.

Technically, the city already bans "touching" between a dancer and customer, but officials dispute whether that means sexual touching or all touching. At any rate, they say it's impossible to enforce and completely ignored.

"How do you know there's no touching unless you're one of the participants?" said Mel McDonald, the city official charged with strip club regulation. "It's dark in there. You don't know whether they're half-an-inch away or not. With the 4-foot rule, it's a lot less subjective. Our vice people can enforce it without buying a dance."

City Council meetings on the rules have drawn protests from more than 100 of the city's 554 licensed dancers, many toting young children.

But the general public doesn't seem terribly interested, said Paul Elliott, aide to council member Richard McIver.

"We get more e-mails about putting synthetic turf on the Lowell Heights playfield," Elliot said.

[UPDATE] It Passed:

Seattle Passes Stricter Strip Club Rules, Bans Lap Dances
By GENE JOHNSON, AP

SEATTLE (Oct. 3) - The City Council on Monday approved some of the strictest adult-entertainment regulations of any big city in the country, banning lap dances and the tipping of dancers in their G-strings.

The council voted 5-4 to require that dancers stay 4 feet from patrons, and that the clubs maintain at least parking-garage brightness throughout the premises. Private rooms will not be allowed and patrons will be offered a tip jar, instead dealing directly with dancers.

"For the most part, the attraction's gone,'' said Gil Levy, a lawyer for Rick's adult nightclub in Seattle. "It will make the clubs less fun.''

The legislation was requested by Mayor Greg Nickels and will take effect six months after he signs it. The mayor's office said the restrictions were needed to prevent a rash of cabarets from opening after a federal judge struck down the city's 17-year moratorium on new strip clubs.

Those who opposed the rules suggested zoning would be a better way to regulate strip clubs. Seattle has no zoning regulations governing adult entertainment.

Opponents also argued that the rules were unbecoming of a city that prides itself on being liberal and tolerant.

"Without being prudes, we can be prudent,'' said Councilman Nick Licata.

"For far too long, men have tried to tell women what work they can do,'' added Councilwoman Jean Godden.

In the late 1980s, concerned residents persuaded the city to impose a 180-day moratorium, to keep the number where it was while officials studied the social effects of the clubs and whether zoning regulations were needed.

Over the next two decades, the City Council repeatedly extended the moratorium and the number of cabarets in the city fell to four from seven. By contrast, Atlanta has roughly three dozen.

A man who wanted to open a club downtown sued and U.S. District Judge James Robart sided with him last month, ruling the moratorium an unconstitutional restraint on free speech. The city could wind up paying the man millions of dollars in damages.

 

sonz70

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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not the pron <sniff> If I didn't have millions of pictures, escorts/stripers on demand...and better places to take business associates...than I would care
 

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I don't care about strip clubs, but they really need to loosen up on the liquor regulations in WA. The taxes and lack of availability are ridiculous.
 

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Everyone blames the right wing for this crap. I just thought it was interesting that a solidly left wing mayor and city government was doing this sort of thing.
 

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
I don't care about strip clubs, but they really need to loosen up on the liquor regulations in WA. The taxes and lack of availability are ridiculous.

IIRC Connecticut is the worse. No liquor after 9:00 pm, and no alcohol on sundays
 

Kadarin

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This sounds like some uptight city officials trying to impose their Talibanistic views on others. Is it truly the will of the people? Very doubtful.
 

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Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: Orsorum
I don't care about strip clubs, but they really need to loosen up on the liquor regulations in WA. The taxes and lack of availability are ridiculous.

IIRC Connecticut is the worse. No liquor after 9:00 pm, and no alcohol on sundays

So I've heard. WA is still one of the worst in the nation.
 

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Originally posted by: sonz70
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not the pron <sniff> If I didn't have millions of pictures, escorts/stripers on demand...and better places to take business associates...than I would care

Escorting yourself doesn't count.
 

sonz70

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is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...
 

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This law probably won't be enforced.

In the early 90's, (not sure if anything has changed since then) lap dancing was illegal in MA too, although nearly every "gentelman's club" I went to, lap dancing was going on unimpeded.

Law enforcement probably won't enforce this in Seattle either.
 

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Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.

I understand that, but it just seems like alot of laws to control "vices" as you would say, that really don't seem to do anything.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sonz70
is it just me, or are alot of laws in the US based on religious principals? We don't really have that here in Canada...sooo...

This probably has nothing to do with religion.

Read the article. These are hard core left wing ("liberal") politicians banning this. Probably because of the perceived effect these clubs have on property values and crime.

I understand that, but it just seems like alot of laws to control "vices" as you would say, that really don't seem to do anything.

Oh, I agree. But the myth that it's only the right wing doing this is clearly busted by this post.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
P&N

But I agree with you Amused. Democrats and Republicans alike hate freedom.

:thumbsdown: to P&N

:thumbsup: to your opinion.

:)
 

Spooner

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how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country
 

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Originally posted by: Spooner
how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country


Sounds like Hollywood did a number on you.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Spooner
how absurd. people really need to get over the "nakedness is obscene" attitude in this country

Well, this just goes to show the American left-wing is anything but "liberal."
 

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Originally posted by: Mojoed
This law probably won't be enforced.

In the early 90's, (not sure if anything has changed since then) lap dancing was illegal in MA too, although nearly every "gentelman's club" I went to, lap dancing was going on unimpeded.

Law enforcement probably won't enforce this in Seattle either.


The problem in MA came when the city tried to confine these clubs to one single area "the combat zone" a local college footplayer died in a mess down there and that led to massive cleanup .
 

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Mojoed
This law probably won't be enforced.

In the early 90's, (not sure if anything has changed since then) lap dancing was illegal in MA too, although nearly every "gentelman's club" I went to, lap dancing was going on unimpeded.

Law enforcement probably won't enforce this in Seattle either.


The problem in MA came when the city tried to confine these clubs to one single area "the combat zone" a local college footplayer died in a mess down there and that led to massive cleanup .

The Combat Zone was a big deal in the 1970's. Funny how then most cities had an area that type of entertainment was confined to. Times Square in NYC, Broadway in San Diego, "The Block" in Baltimore, 14th Street in DC are the ones I remember from that time.