Seattle Bank Teller Fired for Chasing, Apprehending Robber

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Pathetic responses in this thread. Ok so he shouldn't have gone after the robber. Fine. But nothing bad happened, so why are they firing him? If his actions had resulted in additional people getting hurt, then sure reprimand him. But no one was, so how about giving him a promotion instead?

Buncha cowards in this country.

Like I said earlier, if I drive through a red light and hit nobody, should I get a ticket? Based on your logic, I should get a bonus (for showing up to work on time by running the red light), right?

If he broke a bank rule, they have every right to fire him for doing so. It may not "sound" right, but they have the right to do so.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Pathetic responses in this thread. Ok so he shouldn't have gone after the robber. Fine. But nothing bad happened, so why are they firing him? If his actions had resulted in additional people getting hurt, then sure reprimand him. But no one was, so how about giving him a promotion instead?

Buncha cowards in this country.

this is what was trying to say. But i was called up as a strawman or some crap.

I am not trying to be net tuff guy. ( i have been told not to be net tuff guy by Mosh) But i woulda done the same thing, and i think many other guys would have as well.

edit: except metros those fbombgs would be worried about messing their hair

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
But i was called up as a strawman or some crap.

You were called a strawman because you brought up "What if the world ended tomorrow" and that statement has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand, nothing. Don't try to swing it any other way.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
And dont call me a strawman, thats a term that academics use when tradesmen outsmart them.

Brilliant!

P&N would totally jump all over your ass for that one. That place is a mecca of standardized attacks. I think most folks there just have a database of arguments and when they respond its really just an issue of searching the database, the a copy+paste action.
And it would seem this place is attracting more and more P&N regulars every week. I guess they got bored of arguing with each other, which is another way of saying their databases are in need of updates.

yup its true. Academics have standard attacks. I love poking holes in academics ideas. ESPECIALLY ARCHITECTS. I HATE HATE HATE HATE ARCHITECTS

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Triumph
Pathetic responses in this thread. Ok so he shouldn't have gone after the robber. Fine. But nothing bad happened, so why are they firing him? If his actions had resulted in additional people getting hurt, then sure reprimand him. But no one was, so how about giving him a promotion instead?

Buncha cowards in this country.

this is what was trying to say. But i was called up as a strawman or some crap.

I am not trying to be net tuff guy. ( i have been told not to be net tuff guy by Mosh) But i woulda done the same thing, and i think many other guys would have as well.

edit: except metros those fbombgs would be worried about messing their hair

No, you were called out for using a strawman argument because that's exactly what you did.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose


yup its true. Academics have standard attacks. I love poking holes in academics ideas. ESPECIALLY ARCHITECTS. I HATE HATE HATE HATE ARCHITECTS

OK, what holes did your "What if the world ended tomorrow?" poke in my ideas and statements? Ahh...nothing...i.e...it's a strawman (big ole hollow argument in my native hillbilly language).

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
But i was called up as a strawman or some crap.

You were called a strawman because you brought up "What if the world ended tomorrow" and that statement has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand, nothing. Don't try to swing it any other way.

yes it does. I was making a point that the world shouldnt work on the "what if" basis.

"what if" should not be grounds for firing somone. End of discussion.

As i previously stated, strawman is a last line of defence for those that a pwned by lesser intellgant beings.

"you must be a strawman cause you have trouble expressing yourself and i am so much better cause i have a uni degree and you dont but i need you to fix my equipment cause i cannot"








I am going off the beaten path a bit






Guy should not be fired for having courage.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
And dont call me a strawman, thats a term that academics use when tradesmen outsmart them.

Brilliant!

P&N would totally jump all over your ass for that one. That place is a mecca of standardized attacks. I think most folks there just have a database of arguments and when they respond its really just an issue of searching the database, the a copy+paste action.
And it would seem this place is attracting more and more P&N regulars every week. I guess they got bored of arguing with each other, which is another way of saying their databases are in need of updates.

yup its true. Academics have standard attacks. I love poking holes in academics ideas. ESPECIALLY ARCHITECTS. I HATE HATE HATE HATE ARCHITECTS

Let me know when you actually achieve this. I'd like to see that.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Guy should not be fired for having courage.

He wasn't. He was fired for breaking the bank rule.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
And dont call me a strawman, thats a term that academics use when tradesmen outsmart them.

Brilliant!

P&N would totally jump all over your ass for that one. That place is a mecca of standardized attacks. I think most folks there just have a database of arguments and when they respond its really just an issue of searching the database, the a copy+paste action.
And it would seem this place is attracting more and more P&N regulars every week. I guess they got bored of arguing with each other, which is another way of saying their databases are in need of updates.

yup its true. Academics have standard attacks. I love poking holes in academics ideas. ESPECIALLY ARCHITECTS. I HATE HATE HATE HATE ARCHITECTS

Let me know when you actually achieve this. I'd like to see that.

archiects puts a 150kg on a high pitch roof and thinks its accessible. I say "why didnt you ake that bit of roof flat, then i could safetly access equipment, cause of pitch i cannot"

architect gives me a look and hsa no come back. Future building are built with flat roof for condensing unit.





architect does not allow enough room for condensing unit and therfore they have to be stacked (wish i had pic for clarification)

I go to do warranty work and it is fail cause of poor architect design





architects are basically metros and therfore are not cool.









teller man should be commended for bravery

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
But i was called up as a strawman or some crap.

You were called a strawman because you brought up "What if the world ended tomorrow" and that statement has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand, nothing. Don't try to swing it any other way.

yes it does. I was making a point that the world shouldnt work on the "what if" basis.

"what if" should not be grounds for firing somone. End of discussion.

As i previously stated, strawman is a last line of defence for those that a pwned by lesser intellgant beings.

"you must be a strawman cause you have trouble expressing yourself and i am so much better cause i have a uni degree and you dont but i need you to fix my equipment cause i cannot"








I am going off the beaten path a bit






Guy should not be fired for having courage.

Because you say it should does not mean that it should or will. The argument you threw up is a straw man because it did nothing to prove your point or prove that the bank should not have fired him. The rules of safety (or society, etc) are all based on a what if situation. If there were no "what if's" there would be no need for rules (laws).

The guy broke the bank rule and they had the right to fire him, period. If I run a red light, I get a ticket because I "could have" (what if situation) hurt and/or killed someone.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

archiects puts a 150kg on a high pitch roof and thinks its accessible. I say "why didnt you ake that bit of roof flat, then i could safetly access equipment, cause of pitch i cannot"

architect gives me a look and hsa no come back. Future building are built with flat roof for condensing unit.





architect does not allow enough room for condensing unit and therfore they have to be stacked (wish i had pic for clarification)

I go to do warranty work and it is fail cause of poor architect design





architects are basically metros and therfore are not cool.









teller man should be commended for bravery

Architect story is another strawman. Does nothing to prove why the bank doesn't have the right to enforce their own rule.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
But i was called up as a strawman or some crap.

You were called a strawman because you brought up "What if the world ended tomorrow" and that statement has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand, nothing. Don't try to swing it any other way.

yes it does. I was making a point that the world shouldnt work on the "what if" basis.

"what if" should not be grounds for firing somone. End of discussion.

As i previously stated, strawman is a last line of defence for those that a pwned by lesser intellgant beings.

"you must be a strawman cause you have trouble expressing yourself and i am so much better cause i have a uni degree and you dont but i need you to fix my equipment cause i cannot"








I am going off the beaten path a bit






Guy should not be fired for having courage.

Because you say it should does not mean that it should or will. The argument you threw up is a straw man because it did nothing to prove your point or prove that the bank should not have fired him. The rules of safety (or society, etc) are all based on a what if situation. If there were no "what if's" there would be no need for rules (laws).

The guy broke the bank rule and they had the right to fire him, period. If I run a red light, I get a ticket because I "could have" (what if situation) hurt and/or killed someone.

ok, so if your nana was parked on the side of the freeway, i shouldnt stop to help her cause its illegal and what if i get hurt .

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
ok, so if your nana was parked on the side of the freeway, i shouldnt stop to help her cause its illegal and what if i get hurt .

Strawman+1

Another strawman (you're really racking them up). If you do stop, good for you but if you get caught by the police, don't whine and cry if they give you a ticket for illegally stopping. Whether they will or not...who knows...but they have the "right" to do so because you broke the rule.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

archiects puts a 150kg on a high pitch roof and thinks its accessible. I say "why didnt you ake that bit of roof flat, then i could safetly access equipment, cause of pitch i cannot"

architect gives me a look and hsa no come back. Future building are built with flat roof for condensing unit.





architect does not allow enough room for condensing unit and therfore they have to be stacked (wish i had pic for clarification)

I go to do warranty work and it is fail cause of poor architect design





architects are basically metros and therfore are not cool.









teller man should be commended for bravery

Architect story is another strawman. Does nothing to prove why the bank doesn't have the right to enforce their own rule.

not another strawman you dick. I was responding to some one further up who wanted factual accounts of a sea moose pwing an architect.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, he did go against company policy but the outcome was positive so why would you fire him? Doesn't make any sense IMO.

I ran a red light this morning and made it to work on time (outcome was positive). Nobody was hurt as there was nobody in the intersection. I don't think a cop should give me a ticket, do you? 😀

Just curious, if the teller had charged the guy, the guy pulled out a gun and killed 4 other people on the street (or in the bank) and didn't kill the teller, should the teller have been fired then?

Okay...I'm going to respond to this since it has created such debate between you and straw moose 😉

You should get a ticket for running the red light and the bank is perfectly within its rights to fire the guy for breaking company policy.

Personally, I don't think they should fire him for this but maybe there is more to it than this one instance and the press is simply not stating that to make the story more interesting...or to incite debate when none is necessary or warranted.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Okay...I'm going to respond to this since it has created such debate between you and straw moose 😉

You should get a ticket for running the red light and the bank is perfectly within its rights to fire the guy for breaking company policy.

Personally, I don't think they should fire him for this but maybe there is more to it than this one instance and the press is simply not stating that to make the story more interesting...or to incite debate when none is necessary or warranted.

That's exactly what I've been saying. They had the "right" to fire the man. Rules are put in place for safety for a reason...the "What if's" of the world".

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

not another strawman you dick. I was responding to some one further up who wanted factual accounts of a sea moose pwing an architect.

Calling me a dick doesn't change your story from a strawman. Lowering yourself to call others names when things aren't going your way doesn't help your argument either.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
ok, so if your nana was parked on the side of the freeway, i shouldnt stop to help her cause its illegal and what if i get hurt .

Strawman+1

Another strawman (you're really racking them up). If you do stop, good for you but if you get caught by the police, don't whine and cry if they give you a ticket for illegally stopping. Whether they will or not...who knows...but they have the "right" to do so because you broke the rule.

your strawman defence is on the same level as the chewbacca defense



get a new come back

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
ok, so if your nana was parked on the side of the freeway, i shouldnt stop to help her cause its illegal and what if i get hurt .

Strawman+1

Another strawman (you're really racking them up). If you do stop, good for you but if you get caught by the police, don't whine and cry if they give you a ticket for illegally stopping. Whether they will or not...who knows...but they have the "right" to do so because you broke the rule.

your strawman defence is on the same level as the chewbacca defense



get a new come back

Are you going to attack me or actually prove why the bank should have no right (as you say) to fire the guy for breaking a rule?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Okay...I'm going to respond to this since it has created such debate between you and straw moose 😉

You should get a ticket for running the red light and the bank is perfectly within its rights to fire the guy for breaking company policy.

Personally, I don't think they should fire him for this but maybe there is more to it than this one instance and the press is simply not stating that to make the story more interesting...or to incite debate when none is necessary or warranted.

That's exactly what I've been saying. They had the "right" to fire the man. Rules are put in place for safety for a reason...the "What if's" of the world".

I agree.

BTW-I wouldn't have chased the guy down if I were the bank teller. Guess that makes me a pussy. 😉

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, he did go against company policy but the outcome was positive so why would you fire him? Doesn't make any sense IMO.

I ran a red light this morning and made it to work on time (outcome was positive). Nobody was hurt as there was nobody in the intersection. I don't think a cop should give me a ticket, do you? 😀

Just curious, if the teller had charged the guy, the guy pulled out a gun and killed 4 other people on the street (or in the bank) and didn't kill the teller, should the teller have been fired then?

problem is, people seem to operate on the "what if" way of thinking.

what if someone was killed as a result of his action

But what if someone wasnt killed as a result of his action. <--- This was the result, the guy should get a bravery award for showing courage.



what if the world ends tomorrow?

Rules are always made for a "what if" situation. As in my red light example, I could run that red light 10 out of 10 times with ZERO accidents. Maybe we should get rid of the rule, right? If not, why shouldn't we?

What if the world ends tomorrow is a strawman and nothing to do with this argument. Fail for that one.

ok, so by your logic, you should loose your job for running a red light? If you had been caught you would have been given a small fine, maybe loose a couple of points on your license. But what if you hit a car full of babies, should we throw you in prison because that might have happened?


This guy did something heroic and he loses his job for it? He stopped the guy from reoffending and perhaps saved someone from losing their life when criminal reoffends tomorrow. He should have been told off for putting himself at risk, but he made a choice and hada set of balls.

And dont call me a strawman, thats a term that academics use when tradesman outsmart them.

If your job was as a taxi driver and your employer stipulated that any moving violations or points on your licence would get you fired, would you expect to be retained after getting caught running a red light?

Darn I just hate those loose points... could cause an accident you know... 😉

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
ok, so if your nana was parked on the side of the freeway, i shouldnt stop to help her cause its illegal and what if i get hurt .

Strawman+1

Another strawman (you're really racking them up). If you do stop, good for you but if you get caught by the police, don't whine and cry if they give you a ticket for illegally stopping. Whether they will or not...who knows...but they have the "right" to do so because you broke the rule.

your strawman defence is on the same level as the chewbacca defense



get a new come back

Are you going to attack me or actually prove why the bank should have no right (as you say) to fire the guy for breaking a rule?

Lets recap



**deep breath**


1)I made the point that the world should not work on the "what if" way of thinking.

2)you call me a strawman

3) you compare running a red light to a guy apprehending a criminal (perhaps your the straw man)

4) i point out that your comparison is stupid and please dont call me a strawman.

5) plasma bomb posts a big wall of text.

6) you call me a strawman again, and again compare your poor driving skills to a guy being fired for being brave.

7) kk wants the guy pro/demoted to security

8) i point out that i do struggle to express myself

9) you call me simple

10) fox 5 posts that if little money stolen perhaps cops wont care

11) i make a joke comparing wookies to sea moosies

12) julesmaximus pokes innocent fun at me

13) i aggree with jules maximus

14) triumphs posts somthing

15) shortylickens agrees with me that your strawman defence is crap

16) you again compare your bad driving to the bank incident

damn clicked on the post button by mistake, you get the idea though

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Lets recap



**deep breath**


1)I made the point that the world should not work on the "what if" way of thinking.

2)you call me a strawman

3) you compare running a red light to a guy apprehending a criminal (perhaps your the straw man)

4) i point out that your comparison is stupid and please dont call me a strawman.

5) plasma bomb posts a big wall of text.

6) you call me a strawman again, and again compare your poor driving skills to a guy being fired for being brave.

7) kk wants the guy pro/demoted to security

8) i point out that i do struggle to express myself

9) you call me simple

10) fox 5 posts that if little money stolen perhaps cops wont care

11) i make a joke comparing wookies to sea moosies

12) julesmaximus pokes innocent fun at me

13) i aggree with jules maximus

14) triumphs posts somthing

15) shortylickens agrees with me that your strawman defence is crap

16) you again compare your bad driving to the bank incident

damn clicked on the post button by mistake

Nothing you posted above tells me why the bank should not have the right to fire the guy for breaking the rule. I gave an analogy of should I get a ticket for driving through a red light (i.e. breaking a rule for the simple minded) and was told yes. What is the difference? Why should the bank not have the right to enforce rules that you don't like and yet, it's perfectly OK to give me a ticket for breaking a rule that you can live with?

Are "safety rules" based on a "what if" principle or not?

I'll give you another example closer to my real life. My company spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on safety products (light curtains, e-stop buttons, interlocked gate switches, etc) to keep people out of areas of production when they should not be in there. If I decide not to install them (breaking both the company rules as well as OSHA rules) and save the company close to $1,000,000 per year and nobody happens to get hurt, should I be made a hero and be rewarded for doing so? After all, I just save a close to $1,000,000 (and it wasn't because I switched to Geico).

Why or why not?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Engineer

Note: I am not loosing my temper in a debate
for me and no bannage!

Is this you?

I LOOSE MY TEMPER QUICK . WHEN I LOOSE MY TEMPER THEN I DON`T KNOW WHAT I DO .THEN I BRAEK MANY THINGS LIKE CHAURS , TELEPHONE SET , MOBILE AND OTHER MANY THINGS WHICHEVER IN MY HANDS. I GOT OUT OF CONTROL. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION OF THIS? I WANT PEACE IN MY MIND. WHAT SHOULD I DO?