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Seat Belt Enforcement Zone!

Quixfire

Diamond Member
There is a seat belt enforcement zone outside my house right now. Three vehicles were pulled over and three other police officers were waiting to stop some more.

Do you think it's right for police to set-up special zones just to write infractions?

BTW, they did have a sign next to the officer doing the spotting.

Edit: Spelling
 
Yea, its cool.


If they did not do these kind of stops, then insurance would eb even higher. Rates go up when a % of drivers don't use seatbelts, drink and drive, etc....

Don't like it, don't drive
 
i believe if u dont wear your seatbelt u deserve to get a ticket. it really does save lives and people dont learn a lesson until they have to pay some kinda money
 
Originally posted by: Quixfire
There is a seat belt enforcement zone outside my house right know. Three vehicles were pulled over and three other police officers were waiting to stop some more.

Do you think it's right for police to set-up special zones just to right infractions?

BTW, they did have a sigh next to the officer doing the spotting.

No. This is absolutely wrong. It's nothing more than a way of generating revenue for the police department and the local government. If they were serious about enforcing these laws, they would have cameras and police officers on every corner. Of course, I don't think that's right either but doing it the way they do just shows how much they really care about public safety.
 
Buckle up - It's the Law!

But yes, it's right for them imo. I see it all the time. 5-15 motorcycle cops sitting in a row. One-two zapping, everyone else just writes tickets. If they just followed the law and buckled up/didn't speed, they wouldn't have a fat ticket right now.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
i believe if u dont wear your seatbelt u deserve to get a ticket. it really does save lives and people dont learn a lesson until they have to pay some kinda money

WTF? It's YOUR life! If you die because you get in an accident and aren't wearing a seatbelt it's your own fault for being a dumbass.
 
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It seems kindof against the rules. I thought they needed probable cause to pull you over.
They do have probable cause. As you drive by there is a spotter, if he sees you with no seatbelt on he reports your to the additional cops futher ahead where you are pulled over.

 
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: Aharami
i believe if u dont wear your seatbelt u deserve to get a ticket. it really does save lives and people dont learn a lesson until they have to pay some kinda money

WTF? It's YOUR life! If you die because you get in an accident and aren't wearing a seatbelt it's your own fault for being a dumbass.
Yes, but as Marlin1975 said more drivers not wearing seatbelts equals increased insurance costs.

 
Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It seems kindof against the rules. I thought they needed probable cause to pull you over.
They do have probable cause. As you drive by there is a spotter, if he sees you with no seatbelt on he reports your to the additional cops futher ahead where you are pulled over.

Ahh. That's not what I was envisioning. I was thinking of the mandatory stop setups I've been through around here when they look for DUIs.
 
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It seems kindof against the rules. I thought they needed probable cause to pull you over.
They do have probable cause. As you drive by there is a spotter, if he sees you with no seatbelt on he reports your to the additional cops futher ahead where you are pulled over.

Ahh. That's not what I was envisioning. I was thinking of the mandatory stop setups I've been through around here when they look for DUIs.
What I described is how they do seatbelt enforcement zones around here. Only those flagged by the spotter are pulled over and ticketed. If you pass the spotter with a seatbelt on, you continue on.

 
Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: Aharami
i believe if u dont wear your seatbelt u deserve to get a ticket. it really does save lives and people dont learn a lesson until they have to pay some kinda money

WTF? It's YOUR life! If you die because you get in an accident and aren't wearing a seatbelt it's your own fault for being a dumbass.
Yes, but as Marlin1975 said more drivers not wearing seatbelts equals increased insurance costs.


And also taxs. If the person doe snot have health insurance and only basic car insurance, who do you think pays for their med bills. We do, its called taxs.

 
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It seems kindof against the rules. I thought they needed probable cause to pull you over.

Then what about drinking/driving checks? They check all the cars that pass through a certain random area.
 
If people stopped driving drunk, they would stop the DUI checks. No way would they spend the time and money to do it if they weren't catching anyone.
 
Originally posted by: Quixfire
There is a seat belt enforcement zone outside my house right now. Three vehicles were pulled over and three other police officers were waiting to stop some more.

Do you think it's right for police to set-up special zones just to right infractions?

BTW, they did have a sigh next to the officer doing the spotting.

Edit: Spelling

"Edit: Spelling"?

What for? To *add* misspellings?

"write" [tickets for minor] infractions

And...it's sign, not sigh

😛

Anyway...sure. If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the big deal? I'm sure they're also checking for expired tags, proof of insurance, etc.
 
Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It seems kindof against the rules. I thought they needed probable cause to pull you over.

Then what about drinking/driving checks? They check all the cars that pass through a certain random area.

Same thing. It seems like it's against the rules.
 
Whaddya know?! U.S. Supreme Court weighing this very subject!

Court Weighs Legality Of Roadblock Searches

Christian Science Monitor
Warren Richey - Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

November 5, 2003

Anyone who has flown on a commercial jetliner has endured random, suspicionless searches by government authorities.

In a different venue, such government action would be a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures.

But metal detectors, luggage scanners, and pat-downs at airport departure gates are authorized as "reasonable" in recognition of the threat posed by terrorists.

So what about a police roadblock set up to help investigate an unsolved crime?

Wednesday, the US Supreme Court is considering whether an informational checkpoint manned by police on a public road violates the privacy rights of motorists or is an acceptable law enforcement technique in compliance with Fourth Amendment protections.

The case is significant because it is expected to clarify when law-enforcement officials may use roadblocks - including sobriety checkpoints. And it comes at a time when the government is adopting increasingly tight security measures in the on-going war on terrorism.

On one side, civil libertarians argue that citizens must be presumed to be upstanding and are thus entitled to be free from government intrusions, including informational roadside checkpoints. Law enforcement officials and their supporters, however, say such checkpoints are brief, nonadversarial, and benefit the public.

"It is the hallmark of good citizenship to want to help these kinds of investigations," says Gary Feinerman, solicitor general of Illinois, who is urging the high court to uphold roadside checkpoints. "Although there is a minor inconvenience to motorists, most people would understand and appreciate that the police were asking for their help."

Robert Lidster has a different view. In August 1997, Mr. Lidster was arrested at an information checkpoint set up by police in Lombard, Il. The aim of the checkpoint was to locate witnesses to a fatal hit-and-run case a week earlier. But when police smelled alcohol on Lidster's breath and noticed his slurred speech, he was directed to a side street and after further investigation charged with driving under the influence. His DUI conviction was overturned on appeal. The Illinois Supreme Court ruled 4-3 that the roadblock that forced Lidster's interaction with police that night violated his privacy rights.

The Illinois high court warned that if the information checkpoint in Lombard was upheld by the courts, roadblocks would become a routine part of American life because they could be justified as part of any on-going criminal investigation.

"One of the problems with these so-called interrogational checkpoints is that there is no workable means to prevent their proliferation," says Donald Ramsel, a Wheaton, Il., lawyer representing Lidster.

"If somebody stole a purse inside an office building could police close the office building and force everyone to walk a gantlet and be questioned briefly?," asks Mr. Ramsell. "That would delegate far too much authority [to police]."

The roadblock issue is not new. The high court has authorized the use of roadblocks to search for illegal immigrants near the Mexican border and to carry out DUI checkpoints. In addition, police may use roadblocks in certain emergencies, such as attempts to capture a fleeing dangerous felon, recover a kidnapped child, or thwart an imminent terrorist attack.

But three years ago, in the Supreme Court's last police-checkpoint case, the justices struck down an attempt by officials in Indianapolis to use roadblocks to interdict unlawful drugs. "While we do not limit the purposes that may justify a checkpoint program to any rigid set of categories, we decline to approve a program whose primary purpose is ultimately indistinguishable from the general interest in crime control," wrote Justice Sandra Day O'Connor for the 6-3 majority.

At issue in Wednesday's case, Illinois v. Lidster, is whether police in Lombard set up a valid roadblock. Twenty-three states filed a friend of the court brief supporting Illinois' argument that informational checkpoints should be upheld. In contrast, an estimated 15 states have existing state judicial decisions declaring all roadblocks violate their state constitutions.

"The Supreme Court might be looking to use this case as a platform to indicate that some informational roadblocks are acceptable assuming there are emergency circumstances behind it," says Ramsell. "But our case is what you call a stale crime. There is no emergency, no fleeing felon. This is one week later, the crime is over."

He adds, "If you allow that type of roadblock there would be no ability to prevent the proliferation of roadblocks across America."

Charles Hobson of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation says courts could limit any potential spread of roadblocks by examining whether they are "reasonable" on a case by case basis.

"Certain suspicionless intrusions are a fact of life," Mr. Hobson says. "They are minimally intrusive and they advance very, very important goals."




Although, I think this part:

Robert Lidster has a different view. In August 1997, Mr. Lidster was arrested at an information checkpoint set up by police in Lombard, Il. The aim of the checkpoint was to locate witnesses to a fatal hit-and-run case a week earlier. But when police smelled alcohol on Lidster's breath and noticed his slurred speech, he was directed to a side street and after further investigation charged with driving under the influence. His DUI conviction was overturned on appeal. The Illinois Supreme Court ruled 4-3 that the roadblock that forced Lidster's interaction with police that night violated his privacy rights.


is bullsh!t...he was driving and drinking...screw his 'privacy rights'!
 
What's so hard about wearing a seatbelt? They aren't that uncomfortable, and they protect you. It takes less than a second to put it on and off.
 
Originally posted by: KraziKid
What's so hard about wearing a seatbelt? They aren't that uncomfortable, and they protect you. It takes less than a second to put it on and off.

Opponents claim seatbelts can be a hazard when trying to flee a burning vehicle or some such assinine rationalization like that.
 
No, they are searches without warrant or probable cause and thus violate the 4th amendment of the Constitution.

edit: but I don't need to worry about it much because Oregon and Washington state are among the 15 states in which these types of stops are expressly forbidden in their state constitutions. Hey and guess what? The insurance here is low... that argument doesn't hold water.
 
I can testify, truthfully, that my seat belt saved my life in a car accident. Would not drive without it. Even with those dumbfounded stories about, sometimes, seat belts cause deaths or serious injury. .
 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Quixfire
There is a seat belt enforcement zone outside my house right know. Three vehicles were pulled over and three other police officers were waiting to stop some more.

Do you think it's right for police to set-up special zones just to right infractions?

BTW, they did have a sigh next to the officer doing the spotting.

No. This is absolutely wrong. It's nothing more than a way of generating revenue for the police department and the local government. If they were serious about enforcing these laws, they would have cameras and police officers on every corner. Of course, I don't think that's right either but doing it the way they do just shows how much they really care about public safety.

Are you an idiot or just pretending?

Police officers and cameras at every corner? This is what they would do if they were serious about enforcing a seatbelt law? This comment is too stupid to even criticize.

You're also saying that because they pull over people without seatbelts, they don't care about public safety? It's just a revenue scam?

Listen up, kid, here is how it works.

In the interest of all drivers, insurance is mandated so that in the event you do get in a crash, the appropriate parties are garaunteed compensation for their injuries/damages. Insurance companies charge a (relatively) small fee based on your driving history and your likeliness to get in a crash, which goes into a pool of money that can be distributed to the people in need of it. The system works because everybody pays a proportional amount and relatively few people ever require more money than they pay in.

When you get in an accident and you are injured, the insurance companies pay the bills (mostly). Medical costs these days can run upwards of several tens of thousands of dollars for relatively minor injuries. It is statistically proven that not wearing a seatbelt increases your chance of an injury during a crash. This means that the insurance company will have to pay out more money, which will lead to them having to raise everybody's rates.

The government owns the roads... it's their property. The government recognizes the need for insurance for the reasons stated above. When the cost to provide insurance gets too high, it ceases to exist. If nobody has insurance, there will be huge bills (both medical and property related) which will go unpaid. This would create a huge problem and would either lead to people going without medical treatment, dying, or the government paying.

Wearing a seatbelt is probably the easiest way to prevent most injuries which occur in automobile crashes, thus it is in the interest of all parties (You and I included), that it is enforced. The easiest way of doing this is selective enforcement, which is exactly what is going on.

So what was your problem again?
 
Originally posted by: Vic
No, they are searches without warrant or probable cause and thus violate the 4th amendment of the Constitution.

edit: but I don't need to worry about it much because Oregon and Washington state are among the 15 states in which these types of stops are expressly forbidden in their state constitutions. Hey and guess what? The insurance here is low... that argument doesn't hold water.

Ah, but the various state gestapos have found a way around the Constitution: You consent to unwarranted searches simply by applying for a license to drive and or registration of your vehicle.
 
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