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Search for million missing Iraqis to take decades: Iraqi minister

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SARAJEVO (AFP) - The search for more than a million Iraqis who went missing under the regime of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) may take more than 30 years due to the lack of local expertise and poor security, Iraqi Human Rights Minister Bakhtiar Amin said.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...cid=1514&ncid=1473

So far we have found 283 mass grave sites, and if the security situation allows we will find more of them," Amin said, adding that Iraq (news - web sites) counts only 20 forensic pathologists.

"Saddam turned Iraq into a museum of crimes, into a land of mass graves," the minister said, referring to the ousted dictator who is now on trial for crimes against humanity.

 
Questions worth asking.. since we know about the lying propaganda machine the US ran against Iraq in the buildup to the current war.

These are only questions.. not indictments of right or wrong..

Were there special cemetaries for those who were killed in Iraqs decades long war with Iran?

Do we know how Iraqis bury their dead?

Is there proof that there are truly over 1 million people missing - and are they missing or possibly not able to be identified in the cemetaries

Did you notice the mass graves the Iraqis were creating after Fallujah?

 
BTW, special govt documents have revealed that the gassing of Iraqi Kurds in Halabja in the past was done by the Iranians because the US knew exactly what chemical weapons Iraq had back then << for some strange reason they knew 😉

I will try to find a credible link if you want me to.
 
Look for whatever suits your opinions, would you like pictures and evidence of the mass graves that have been found? Pictures of a room full of children shot in the head execution style?
 
One would think it would be fairly easy to locate all those mass graves in Iraq...unless they are a figment of the same imaginations that saw WMD around every corner.

 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Look for whatever suits your opinions, would you like pictures and evidence of the mass graves that have been found? Pictures of a room full of children shot in the head execution style?
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I am only asking questions.. After the hype for the buildup to the war turned so false I am not very quick to believe things at face value

You can show me pictures but that will not mean that Saddam was responsible for their deaths.. I fully believe that Saddam was a very bad man and one that we helped to stay in power.

If after much International investigation it is proved that Saddam was directly responsible then I will grab the bullhorn and starting shouting too. But until then "There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again."
http://politicalhumor.about.co...ultimedia/foolbush.mov
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Look for whatever suits your opinions, would you like pictures and evidence of the mass graves that have been found? Pictures of a room full of children shot in the head execution style?
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I can show you some pictures of dead children shot by U.S. troops or killed by U.S. bombs. How do you justify their deaths? WMD?

 
IMHO a million seems a bit "inflated", but it is just an estimate after all. The exact number is not the important thing, how they died is.

Getting any conclusive facts from the pre-war Iraqi dictatorship will be very difficult....
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Look for whatever suits your opinions, would you like pictures and evidence of the mass graves that have been found? Pictures of a room full of children shot in the head execution style?
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I can show you some pictures of dead children shot by U.S. troops or killed by U.S. bombs. How do you justify their deaths? WMD?
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Ummm we are talking about genocide here...

Are you comparing Saddam's actions to the USA's?
 
Genocide is what many in the Arab world are calling Bush's illegal, immoral, unprovoked invasion of Iraq. After all, estimates run as high as 100,000 civilian casualties due to Bush in only 18 months or so. How many will he be able to murder in the time Saddam had?

 
Yes, in bbonds mind there is no difference in intenionally killing a child or having it happen as an unintended consequence.
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Yes, in bbonds mind there is no difference in intenionally killing a child or having it happen as an unintended consequence.
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Tell that to the parents of the children who have been killed by the U.S. in Iraq.

 
So intent is not an important factor in your mind?

If I am driving my car, following all laws, and have an accident that kills a child I should be treated the same as the guy who walks up to a five year old and blows his head off intentionally with a shotgun blast to the face?

The amount of care the US took in reducing the number of innocent lives lost in this war is remarkable and a testament to their stated and intended policy in that regard.
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
So intent is not an important factor in your mind?

If I am driving my car, following all laws, and have an accident that kills a child I should be treated the same as the guy who walks up to a five year old and blows his head off intentionally with a shotgun blast to the face?

The amount of care the US took in reducing the number of innocent lives lost in this war is remarkable and a testament to their stated and intended policy in that regard.
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Yeah, 100,000 dead civilians in only 18 months is a remarkable testament. Where is that WMD?

 
Still clinging to a door to door survey, what a joke, that 100,000 is not even credible. BTW were those "100,000" INTENIONALLY TARGETED and killed?

Good question about the WMD, too bad Saddam never answered truthfully, he was the ONLY one responsible for doing so....
 
Do you have a study that refutes the study I quoted?

There were, as you'll remember, UN weapons inspectors in Iraq telling Bush there was NO WMD. But Bush attacked anyway. Now there are 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, including children and women, Iraq is on the brink of civil war, the USA is spending $5.8 billion per month just to keep their occupation going, and all because Bush lied.

What was the urgent reason Bush had to attack Iraq unprovoked?

 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti.../10/29/MNG729ILL11.DTL

The estimate is based on a door-to-door survey conducted in September of 988 Iraqi households containing 7,868 people in 33 neighborhoods selected to provide a representative sampling.

Previous independent estimates of civilian deaths in Iraq have been far lower, never exceeding 16,000, and other experts immediately challenged the new estimate, saying the small number of actual documented deaths upon which it was based made the conclusions suspect.

 
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/

We estimate there were 98,000 extra deaths (95% CI 8000-194 000) during the post-war period.

Readers who are accustomed to perusing statistical documents know what the set of numbers in the parentheses means. For the other 99.9 percent of you, I'll spell it out in plain English?which, disturbingly, the study never does. It means that the authors are 95 percent confident that the war-caused deaths totaled some number between 8,000 and 194,000. (The number cited in plain language?98,000?is roughly at the halfway point in this absurdly vast range.)

This isn't an estimate. It's a dart board.

 
Saddams non-compliance in regards to his WMD, and the threat that posed in conjuction with his terrorist connections. Maybe the fact Saddam himself was planning terrorist attacks on the US before and even AFTER 9/11.


Getting tired of answering your same questions over and over again, do you have some sort of retention problem? Smoking a bit too much of the wacky weed? Feel free to keep spouting off that 100,000 figure, makes you look REAL bright.
 
My feelings tell me that the 100,000 number is far too high

BUT I likewise also feel that the 1,000,000 number is very exaggerated and would smell really bad to the neighbors too. I will bet many of these people left the country of their own free will.
 
I read on Fox News that experts believe that Saddam was directly responsible for more than 300,000 deaths. They've excavated mass graves with as many as several thousands bodies in them. Example: women with their hands tied behind their backs and gunshot wounds to their heads and slain children, you know, typical fourteenth century Middle East mentality.
 
Originally posted by: Tylanner
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Look for whatever suits your opinions, would you like pictures and evidence of the mass graves that have been found? Pictures of a room full of children shot in the head execution style?
Click to expand...

I can show you some pictures of dead children shot by U.S. troops or killed by U.S. bombs. How do you justify their deaths? WMD?
Click to expand...

Ummm we are talking about genocide here...

Are you comparing Saddam's actions to the USA's?
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Saddams actions are inexcusable, but the US has just as much blood on it's hands. Rant if you want, but never use us or anyone else as a shining example. There is no "pure" nation.
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
So intent is not an important factor in your mind?

If I am driving my car, following all laws, and have an accident that kills a child I should be treated the same as the guy who walks up to a five year old and blows his head off intentionally with a shotgun blast to the face?

The amount of care the US took in reducing the number of innocent lives lost in this war is remarkable and a testament to their stated and intended policy in that regard.
Click to expand...

The military knows the amount and extent of collateral damage that is likely in war. You go to war knowing you are going to kill the innocent whether you want to or not. To go to war illegally against a people who are no threat to you is murder. We KNEW ABSOLUTELY AND FOR CERTAIN within 46 minutes of the commencement of the ground war that Iraq had no WMD. All killed collaterally after that time period were murdered. Iraq was no threat. Our war was immoral and illegal. We could act with justification only to protect ourselves and the threat was non existent. Bush is a murdered whose actions were taken to further the PNAC Neocon psychosis. He has turned our country into sh!t and destroyed everything we took 60 years to build, international respect for law. Bush is an immoral piece of garbage that played on American cowardliness and fear to pull of a lunatic dream of American conquest. He turned every American into a murderer. He needs to be tired for war crimes.

 
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