Sean Hannity tonight clashed with radical London imam Anjem Choudary

[TechBoyJK]

I saw some of this interview. Hannity barely let him talk and kept changing the scope of his questions. I think the guy was being quite frank and it wasn't surprising. If you ask a christian if they would like all governments to be based on christian values and everyone to be a christian, they will say the same thing he did. Because Sharia Law doesn't align with our world view is the only reason that makes this "scarier" than a christian saying that the 10 commandments should be followed by everyone.

I don't think all christians feel that way. I for one don't want the government involved in my religion, nor do I want my government based on it, because it sets the precedent that the government could eventually be based on a different religion.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

This is the only Islam you know if you go by what's reported in the media. If you talk to a Muslim, you will soon realize that though his conditioning is different from your conditioning, he is the same - he has fears, just like you; he has hatreds, just like you; he has ambitions, just like you. There is very, very little difference once you take away the religious mask people wear.

Don't you spoil this ignorant fear boner I've got going. Are we seriously to believe that a group of Islamic scholars knows more about Muslims than me?

 

[Subyman]

you are an idiot.

You do not understand what I'm saying. Its okay.

Christians who say that sort of thing get mocked constantly and labeled as "scary". Why shouldn't the same apply to other zealots?

It does. Notice I never gave my opinion on this guy. I think he is just as nuts as any other religious zealot. What I'm saying is that him wanting the world to align with his view is not surprising. Its obvious that he would think that.

I find this type of equivalency rather naive and at worst a problem. Sharia law is a very oppressive set of laws. Even if Christians created laws based on the 10 commandments it would not resemble Sharia law. Govt based on Christian values or even Islamic values would not resemble one based on Sharia law.


Sharia law is scary because it is oppressive. Not because our world views don't align.

Ask yourself this. Would you rather face a criminal or civil court in England, France, Germany, Canada, The United States or Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwai, UAE, and Sudan?

I said they both want to disseminate their beliefs to affect as many people as possible. The reason why this is scarier is because our culture does not align with Sharia Law. I'm saying the same thing you are. If our world view was to be oppressive, Sharia Law would not be as scary. See?

 

[OutHouse]

You do not understand what I'm saying. Its okay.

I understand perfectly what you are saying. you aren't as smart as you think you.

 

[OutHouse]

If our world view was to be oppressive, Sharia Law would not be as scary. See?

having the constant very real threat Getting stoned to death, beheaded, hanged in parking lot from a crane or shot in a soccer stadium for the slightest infraction is pretty fucking terrifying under any set of laws.

how many have fled their homes from the ISIS lunatics.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If you ask a christian if they would like all governments to be based on christian values and everyone to be a christian, they will say the same thing he did.

No. I know a whole lot of practicing Christians and while they feel that adopting Christianity is the key to eternal life not one has ever even thought of requiring you to convert and attend church services or that if offered a chance to convert and you do not accept you ought to be put to death. Your fate is between you and God. Someone will pull out the Westboro Baptist Church, but I'd say they're more like Bin Laden without going around actually killing people. That is very much like saying Muslims as a whole are ISIS just plotting and waiting for a chance to behead you, which I strongly disagree with.

No, the problem with this individual, for all of Hannity's stupidity is that he would see apostates tried and executed, by his own admission, and he has influence.

No, there's nothing to compare him to in recent times except to the Fascists of Europe last century. They really weren't good guys.

 

[Subyman]

I understand perfectly what you are saying. you aren't as smart as you think you.

Then there is nothing contentious about it. Religions like to spread. It isn't surprising and it isn't "idiotic" to say it.

having the constant very real threat Getting stoned to death, beheaded, hanged in parking lot from a crane or shot in a soccer stadium for the slightest infraction is pretty fucking terrifying under any set of laws.

how many have fled their homes from the ISIS lunatics.

I guess you don't understand relative comparisons like I was making.

No. I know a whole lot of practicing Christians and while they feel that adopting Christianity is the key to eternal life not one has ever even thought of requiring you to convert and attend church services or that if offered a chance to convert and you do not accept you ought to be put to death. Your fate is between you and God. Someone will pull out the Westboro Baptist Church, but I'd say they're more like Bin Laden without going around actually killing people. That is very much like saying Muslims as a whole are ISIS just plotting and waiting for a chance to behead you, which I strongly disagree with.

No, the problem with this individual, for all of Hannity's stupidity is that he would see apostates tried and executed, by his own admission, and he has influence.

No, there's nothing to compare him to in recent times except to the Fascists of Europe last century. They really weren't good guys.

There is no "No" about it. Religions are made to be spread. Because you have timid friends that are fine not "spreading the word" doesn't mean that it isn't an objective of the institution. All I said in my initial post is that him wanting to spread his religion isn't surprising. What makes it scary is because it doesn't align with our world view. How can you guys possibly argue with that?

 

[Moonbeam]

Then there is nothing contentious about it. Religions like to spread. It isn't surprising and it isn't "idiotic" to say it.



I guess you don't understand relative comparisons like I was making.



There is no "No" about it. Religions are made to be spread. Because you have timid friends that are fine not "spreading the word" doesn't mean that it isn't an objective of the institution. All I said in my initial post is that him wanting to spread his religion isn't surprising. What makes it scary is because it doesn't align with our world view. How can you guys possibly argue with that?

An argument could be made that if you find something scary it could be because it's scary, or it could be that your understanding is such that you fear what's isn't there to fear, that you are attached to your world view by ego rather than logic and common sense, two terms you may not also recognize when you see them.

 

[Moonbeam]

No. I know a whole lot of practicing Christians and while they feel that adopting Christianity is the key to eternal life not one has ever even thought of requiring you to convert and attend church services or that if offered a chance to convert and you do not accept you ought to be put to death. Your fate is between you and God. Someone will pull out the Westboro Baptist Church, but I'd say they're more like Bin Laden without going around actually killing people. That is very much like saying Muslims as a whole are ISIS just plotting and waiting for a chance to behead you, which I strongly disagree with.

No, the problem with this individual, for all of Hannity's stupidity is that he would see apostates tried and executed, by his own admission, and he has influence.

No, there's nothing to compare him to in recent times except to the Fascists of Europe last century. They really weren't good guys.

I have heard Hannity described by some as an outstandingly fine person in his relations with people around him.

It isn't easy, I think, to remember that bigots believe in the good, unfortunately, just one that they were programmed to believe is the good, the actual one.

 

[Dari]

If they don't like our way of life they should just go back to wherever the fuck they came from.

 

[raildogg]

If they don't like our way of life they should just go back to wherever the fuck they came from.

And maybe the West should have stayed home instead of invading, looting and harassing the entire world for the last 1000 years. Like it's been said, "You reap what you sow."

It's interesting to see many immigrants that are now in Europe come from those same countries that the West invaded and pillaged for centuries. Everything has consequences.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There is no "No" about it. Religions are made to be spread. Because you have timid friends that are fine not "spreading the word" doesn't mean that it isn't an objective of the institution. All I said in my initial post is that him wanting to spread his religion isn't surprising. What makes it scary is because it doesn't align with our world view. How can you guys possibly argue with that?

There is a fundamental difference between wishing others would convert and threatening them with death or torture if they do not. More than that is the idea that one should be subject to trial and execution for converting from Islam to another religion or rejecting religion all together. That is a substantial difference. We here on the forums like to share our ideas, but I would not consider ourselves to be equivalent to those who would murder for disagreement, not because of a difference of worldview in terms of religion or philosophy but that his worldview would result in executions.

 

[Jaskalas]

And maybe the West should have stayed home instead of invading, looting and harassing the entire world for the last 1000 years. Like it's been said, "You reap what you sow."

It's interesting to see many immigrants that are now in Europe come from those same countries that the West invaded and pillaged for centuries. Everything has consequences.

Consequences indeed. Peace loving people only hold power so long as there is peace. The West is feeling that peace slowly fade.

These are the drums of war, and it would be in the Middle East's best interests not to pursue that path in the face of our WMDs.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have heard Hannity described by some as an outstandingly fine person in his relations with people around him.

It isn't easy, I think, to remember that bigots believe in the good, unfortunately, just one that they were programmed to believe is the good, the actual one.

I don't know Hannity, and I pay little attention to those who provoke for a living. He may indeed be personable, generous and kind, or he may not be. I didn't care for how he went on the attack without allowing a proper response. I have no respect for him professionally. Where I came down against his guest was his response about apostasy and his approval of the sentence of a Sharia court to death. I don't generally like to interfere with other peoples beliefs, religious or otherwise in any forceful sense, however if it leads people like Bush to war or an Iman to beheading others, or abortion clinic bombers to strike then I feel that some intercession or at least defense of one's life is warranted. I just can't embrace such things.

But then one has to be careful that the wrongs are addressed and that generalizations do not lead to retribution against those who would do no wrong. That would be a great evil.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Consequences indeed. Peace loving people only hold power so long as there is peace. The West is feeling that peace slowly fade.

These are the drums of war, and it would be in the Middle East's best interests not to pursue that path in the face of our WMDs.

A question about this drama of our time. Who are not the peace loving people involved in conflict between the West and those practicing Islam in the ME and surrounding areas?

 

[Jaskalas]

A question about this drama of our time. Who are not the peace loving people involved in conflict between the West and those practicing Islam in the ME and surrounding areas?

Peace loving people... as in our present elected officials who stand in-between a frightened populace and their sense of security and vengeance. We hold back our power, we sit in deserts and play cop instead of conquering them Roman style. There's a FAR greater bloodshed that we are more than capable of. Peace loving people are those of us advocating an alternative to wholesale violence when facing this clash of civilizations.

I for one listened to the folks on this board and have come to understand there may be Muslims who would work with us towards peace. The media alone does not give that impression. They leave people with a sense that Islam equals Terrorism. They fan the flames. To counter that message we need to work with our Muslim immigrants to put a Muslim face on counter-terrorism. To let a frightened populace understand that the pending war to eliminate a terrorist threat should not necessarily be targeted at Islam in general.

Peace loving people will work towards building a cross-culture coalition that sees terrorists isolated and peaceful cohabitation flourish. Such efforts grow weaker with every act of violence as people look for easy answers when the media gives them simple messages.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Peace loving people... as in our present elected officials who stand in-between a frightened populace and their sense of security and vengeance. We hold back our power, we sit in deserts and play cop instead of conquering them Roman style. There's a FAR greater bloodshed that we are more than capable of. Peace loving people are those of us advocating an alternative to wholesale violence when facing this clash of civilizations.

I for one listened to the folks on this board and have come to understand there may be Muslims who would work with us towards peace. The media alone does not give that impression. They leave people with a sense that Islam equals Terrorism. They fan the flames. To counter that message we need to work with our Muslim immigrants to put a Muslim face on counter-terrorism. To let a frightened populace understand that the pending war to eliminate a terrorist threat should not necessarily be targeted at Islam in general.

Peace loving people will work towards building a cross-culture coalition that sees terrorists isolated and peaceful cohabitation flourish. Such efforts grow weaker with every act of violence as people look for easy answers when the media gives them simple messages.

I should not be to proud of us as a peace loving society. We caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands in this century and countless others the last while subverting their elected governments and stealing their resources. The terrorists aren't the good guys and we haven't been either.

"Going Roman" isn't going to be ultimately useful. I can think of ways that this nation can be brought to it's knees and I'm sure that my mere musings are nothing compared to those who would seriously attack from within if we attempted something approaching genocide.

We need to control terrorism while at the same time not engaging in another Iraq in the future. It will take decades before we get back to where we were before Bush, and that wasn't all that great, but we were headed in the right direction

 

[tential]

I find this type of equivalency rather naive and at worst a problem. Sharia law is a very oppressive set of laws. Even if Christians created laws based on the 10 commandments it would not resemble Sharia law. Govt based on Christian values or even Islamic values would not resemble one based on Sharia law.


Sharia law is scary because it is oppressive. Not because our world views don't align.

Ask yourself this. Would you rather face a criminal or civil court in England, France, Germany, Canada, The United States or Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwai, UAE, and Sudan?

They still do lashings over there man...
Are we seriously comparing civilized nations to areas that will give you 50 lashings a week?

 

[positivedoppler]

Hannity pretty much runs the Jerry Springer show on Fox. He likes to invite guests for a pissing match. Its not news. its not an interview, its a freak show he runs

 

[Blanky]

They still do lashings over there man...
Are we seriously comparing civilized nations to areas that will give you 50 lashings a week?

Blasphemy laws in Pakistan allow capital punishment. That is for shit we regulary have on tv here and can choose to ignore.

People who try and draw a parallel between Christianity and Islam are demonstrably ignorant of both of them. They suffer severely from the dunning Kruger effect.

 

[Orignal Earl]

People who try and draw a parallel between Christianity and Islam are demonstrably ignorant of both of them. They suffer severely from the dunning Kruger effect.

What is your experience with Christianity and Islam?

 

[Blanky]

What is your experience with Christianity and Islam?

That is too broad a question for me to post a response unless I am to be paid.

 

[Karl Agathon]

That is too broad a question for me to post a response unless I am to be paid.

LMAO! You seriously made my night, thanks!

 

[Orignal Earl]

That is too broad a question for me to post a response unless I am to be paid.

I'm sure you could squeeze a few lines out no?

 

[Blanky]

I'm sure you could squeeze a few lines out no?

Reading, life experiences, similar to all of us I suppose