'Sea salt' the next great marketing gimmick

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Ain't nuthin new about Sea Salt. People have been touting it's superiority over "regular" salt for years.

IMO, it IS better than the crap they dig out of the salt beds in the GSL salt flats...even though it MIGHT be the same basic NaCl...it seems to have a different flavor.

We use Kosher salt for most of our salty things here. More or less the same salty flavor...less sodium. (larger granules, more pores = less actual salt (sodium) per tsp.

I use low sodium sodium. :laugh: That's like saying I only drink light water.

Better than drinking heavy water.

And what would deuterium oxide do to you if you drank it?

It's basically 2H2O or D2O if you will, it wouldn't hurt you at all.

It works great as an absorber or moderator if you will since it has greater density than regular water, but there is nothing harmful about it.

Take a bath in it, drink it, shove it up your arse in an enema, it won't hurt you at all.

Did you actually do any research, or do you just talk out of your ass like this all the time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H..._on_biological_systems

And a quick google search for "heavy water biological effects" brings up numerous scientific papers on the subject, although like most scientific papers you need to actually be a subscriber to read them. I'm sure some of them agree with you, but you can see that many of the abstracts are describing harmful biological effects.

In other words, you do not want to drink heavy water.

Cliffs
- Heavy hywater is not like most heavy compounds
- Deuterium is different enough from hydrogen that it does fundamentally change the chemistry
- Drinking heavy water caused animals to become sterile
- In general, it's bad for you. It's more rare anyway

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Ain't nuthin new about Sea Salt. People have been touting it's superiority over "regular" salt for years.

IMO, it IS better than the crap they dig out of the salt beds in the GSL salt flats...even though it MIGHT be the same basic NaCl...it seems to have a different flavor.

We use Kosher salt for most of our salty things here. More or less the same salty flavor...less sodium. (larger granules, more pores = less actual salt (sodium) per tsp.

I use low sodium sodium. :laugh: That's like saying I only drink light water.

Better than drinking heavy water.

And what would deuterium oxide do to you if you drank it?

It's basically 2H2O or D2O if you will, it wouldn't hurt you at all.

It works great as an absorber or moderator if you will since it has greater density than regular water, but there is nothing harmful about it.

Take a bath in it, drink it, shove it up your arse in an enema, it won't hurt you at all.

Did you actually do any research, or do you just talk out of your ass like this all the time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H..._on_biological_systems

And a quick google search for "heavy water biological effects" brings up numerous scientific papers on the subject, although like most scientific papers you need to actually be a subscriber to read them. I'm sure some of them agree with you, but you can see that many of the abstracts are describing harmful biological effects.

In other words, you do not want to drink heavy water.

Cliffs
- Heavy hywater is not like most heavy compounds
- Deuterium is different enough from hydrogen that it does fundamentally change the chemistry
- Drinking heavy water caused animals to become sterile
- In general, it's bad for you. It's more rare anyway

I love how you try to contradict me with science that you don't even pretend to have any knowledge of.

Now let's lock into the subject at hand and at human studies in particular, i am sure a distinguished gentleman as yourself is well versed how to search pubmed, www.pubmed.com and now that i have shown you where to begin your search you can do your own legwork.

I've said it before, i'm no scientist but when it comes to biology and biochemistry i am a professional.

Bookmark this site and learn from it and in the future, don't use hoaxes and crap to support your idiocy, go directly to the studies, if they are not there, they are not published and not relevant.

In short, that is, to sum up the real studies that have been made on humans, there are no ill effects ever observed in humans when ingesting 2H2O.

 

[ISAslot]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Organic, Free Range, hormone-free, no fat, no carbs, cruelty free, Sea Salt. What did I miss?

Dolphin Safe

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: OUCaptain

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Ain't nuthin new about Sea Salt. People have been touting it's superiority over "regular" salt for years.

IMO, it IS better than the crap they dig out of the salt beds in the GSL salt flats...even though it MIGHT be the same basic NaCl...it seems to have a different flavor.

We use Kosher salt for most of our salty things here. More or less the same salty flavor...less sodium. (larger granules, more pores = less actual salt (sodium) per tsp.

All I use anymore is Kosher for cooking and a dish of on the table as well. Sea salt is still better though. The extra minerals from the sea water giver it a slightly better taste IMO.

Sea salt is better cuz it's chock full of fish pee.

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I think sea salt has been used as far back as recorded history. I wouldn't call it a modern fad.

Yeah I think you're right. I think remember something about Ghandi doing one of his non-violent resistance things to rebel against the British empire. Something like the Brits were taxing the salt outrageously so Ghandi got his followers together and they all marched to the sea. Then he showed them how to make salt from sea water so they wouldn't have to buy salt.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I think sea salt has been used as far back as recorded history. I wouldn't call it a modern fad.

Yeah I think you're right. I think remember something about Ghandi doing one of his non-violent resistance things to rebel against the British empire. Something like the Brits were taxing the salt outrageously so Ghandi got his followers together and they all marched to the sea. Then he showed them how to make salt from sea water so they wouldn't have to buy salt.

Yea, and now he's dead. Sea salt is bad for you.

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I think sea salt has been used as far back as recorded history. I wouldn't call it a modern fad.

Yeah I think you're right. I think remember something about Ghandi doing one of his non-violent resistance things to rebel against the British empire. Something like the Brits were taxing the salt outrageously so Ghandi got his followers together and they all marched to the sea. Then he showed them how to make salt from sea water so they wouldn't have to buy salt.

Yea, and now he's dead. Sea salt is bad for you.

Yeah except I'm pretty sure it wasn't the salt that got him. I think he got shot.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I think sea salt has been used as far back as recorded history. I wouldn't call it a modern fad.

Yeah I think you're right. I think remember something about Ghandi doing one of his non-violent resistance things to rebel against the British empire. Something like the Brits were taxing the salt outrageously so Ghandi got his followers together and they all marched to the sea. Then he showed them how to make salt from sea water so they wouldn't have to buy salt.

Yea, and now he's dead. Sea salt is bad for you.

Yeah except I'm pretty sure it wasn't the salt that got him. I think he got shot.

Rationalize all you want.

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I think sea salt has been used as far back as recorded history. I wouldn't call it a modern fad.

Yeah I think you're right. I think remember something about Ghandi doing one of his non-violent resistance things to rebel against the British empire. Something like the Brits were taxing the salt outrageously so Ghandi got his followers together and they all marched to the sea. Then he showed them how to make salt from sea water so they wouldn't have to buy salt.

Yea, and now he's dead. Sea salt is bad for you.

Yeah except I'm pretty sure it wasn't the salt that got him. I think he got shot.

Rationalize all you want.

Well I suppose they could have salted the bullet. You never know. If that's not putting salt in the wound I don't know what it is, lol. I just went to Wikipedia to read up on him again as the last time I studied him was 10th grade social studies. What an amazing guy.

 

[MaxDepth]

This Fall, I made my own salt from the ocean. I went to the beach at Willmington, NC one last time and got a jug (I should have gotten two) of the sea water. I strained the water through two different filters and then boiled down the water. The very first layer of salt is quite different than the final boiled down product. The first layer is called Fleur De Sel, or flower of salt. The texture is more flakey and white while the last is more grainy and more grey.

Sprinkling the Fleur on hot foods tastes just the same as the other salt. However, putting it on cold foods, even dark chocolate, is a really different and really enjoyable taste. The sea salt tastes better on broiled salmon than conventional salt. I need to make more.

 

[Steve]

LOL

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
LOL, you just confirmed what i said, it's the same fucking thing and anyone who can say he can actually taste the difference between iodine enriched sodium chloride and regular sodium chloride (both come from the same source) is a nutter, no human in this world can taste the difference.

Fine grained or whatever, it still melts in and joins with the fluids of whatever you're eating, it doesn't matter what it is.

Kosher salt is just something they call extra special expensive regular salt.

Actually, kosher salt is generally about the same price as regular iodized table salt. It has nothing to do with marketing, it is a choice of the texture and crystalline structure of the salt that you are buying.

Seriously, i've heard it all, how you should cook it, close the surface, add the salt last because it drains out the fluids, the truth is, it doesn't matter at all, you can marinate it in salt and all it will do is join with the liquid, in fact you SHOULD marinate it WITH the salt, to get the taste on more than the surface, you can cook it anyway you please and it will still be as dry or as juicy as your time to cook it will let it be.

Ok, you can just go ahead and marinade your $50 USDA Prime steak in salt, and then put it in a 300 degree oven... it will be exactly the same as searing it on a grill, right?

The reason you use kosher salt (in the case of steaks) is that the structure of the salt is particularily adept at pulling protien rich liquid to the surface of the meat. This protien rich fluid aids in producing a better sear on the meat. You could do it with table salt or sea salt as well, but Kosher salt is better at the job.

Kosher salt is also generally used in cooking because it is much easier to pinch than sea or iodized salt. If you don't want to be pulling out your measuring spoon every time you want to season something, then Kosher salt is better at that job.

Indeed all salts made out of NaCL produce the same result, that your dumb arse will pay more to get the same result without the iodine (originally introduced to prevent anemia from overzealous Na intake) or with it, no matter what salt you taste, even a mixed salt with K and Na you would not be able to taste the difference.

Once again, the price difference is negligable (if it is even there at all). You have to realize that certain salts are better for certain jobs.

Pickling salt is very fine grained so that it will dissolve more quickly in liquids. Popcorn salt is fine so that it will evenly distribute across the popcorn, and will adhere better to the finished product. Rock salt is very large because you are generally looking for the most salt per volume for its specific uses.

I currently have the following in my house: Popcorn salt, fine sea salt, coarse sea salt, iodized salt, kosher salt, fleur de sel, gray salt, red clay hawaiian salt, black hawaiian salt, and probably a couple of other specialty salts that I can't remember right now. They all have specific uses, and there is no way I would go back to having only a can of iodized salt in my house. Of course, I cook a lot, so maybe it's just me.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: sdifox

How much does the boat weight without all the humans on it? Fine, ship.

Avg mass of lifeforms onboard is typically ~ 300 tons. People are mostly water. About 300 tons of paint have been applied to the ship at manufacturing. Ironic eh?

What,? The paint is people? Just out of curiosity, how many (vertical) feet of displacement does 300ton generat on your ship? I have no idea what the proper terminology is.

 

[Throckmorton]

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/070727.html

Both rock salt ( i.e., from mines) and sea salt contain, besides sodium chloride, such chemicals as calcium, potassium, and magnesium sulfates. However, when a large body of water evaporates, the chemicals in it precipitate out in stages ? calcium compounds get deposited first, then sodium, and finally magnesium and potassium. Because of this, a rock salt deposit is often a more homogenous mass of sodium chloride than what you get by drying out seawater commercially.

....

Meanwhile, as with all health fads, be careful that in your quest for self-improvement you don't make things worse. You're right in supposing that sea salt can be contaminated ? industrial water pollution, in fact, has led some French sea-salt works to shut down. Sea salt also usually contains less iodine than you find in iodized table salt. Goiter has largely disappeared in the developed world; why help bring it back?

 

[bobsmith1492]

Speaking of rock salt, I have a question: why would chunks of salt embedding themselves into one's abdomen be less likely to kill you than small pieces of lead?

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: sdifox

What,? The paint is people? Just out of curiosity, how many (vertical) feet of displacement does 300ton generat on your ship? I have no idea what the proper terminology is.

No I was pointing out that the mass of the paint used shipwide at time of construction weighs about the same as a typical load of people.

300T is quite minuscule in comparison - I'd be willing to bet it's hardly discernible even while observing the draft markings. Even so it can be nulled completely by discharging or taking on ballast.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Speaking of rock salt, I have a question: why would chunks of salt embedding themselves into one's abdomen be less likely to kill you than small pieces of lead?

Salt is less dense, carries less energy when shot from a gun, and so doesn't embed as far.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I love how you try to contradict me with science that you don't even pretend to have any knowledge of.

Now let's lock into the subject at hand and at human studies in particular, i am sure a distinguished gentleman as yourself is well versed how to search pubmed, www.pubmed.com and now that i have shown you where to begin your search you can do your own legwork.

I've said it before, i'm no scientist but when it comes to biology and biochemistry i am a professional.

Bookmark this site and learn from it and in the future, don't use hoaxes and crap to support your idiocy, go directly to the studies, if they are not there, they are not published and not relevant.

In short, that is, to sum up the real studies that have been made on humans, there are no ill effects ever observed in humans when ingesting 2H2O.

I'm no biologist/biochemist, but I am a scientist; a physicist in fact. Hydrogen is unique in that it is one of the only elements with an isotope that is significantly different when considered as part of a molecule.

I don't pretend to know the effects of heavy water on humans because I am not a biologist in any sense. Studies on animals show that heavy water can be detrimental to health. I doubt human studies have reached a much different conclusion. Once again, a simple google search and a subscription to any journal database will get you to the results that I have claimed.

If you're certain that D2O has no harmful effects on humans, then the burden lies with you to provide a counterexample to the "hoaxes and crap." I tried using your journal search engine, but I was unable to produce any meaningful results with regard to human subjects.

 

[Eeezee]

Could it be that the OP is an employee of an iodized salt company and this is some strange marketing ploy? It's well-known that software/hardware companies already do this...

 

[BoomerD]

I think it will be a week or so before John of Sheffield will be back from his vacation to respond to your further posting.

 

[eits]

sea salt is awesome... but for cooking, i'd rather use kosher salt.

iodized salt tastes way the hell different than sea salt and kosher salt... try them sometime and see what you think.

 

[Auric]

Ah, found the answer which has thus far been evaded... directly from the Salt Institute, beotches:


What is the Difference Between Kosher Salt and Sea Salt?

Many chefs prefer kosher salt in cooking certain dishes, usually as a topping, or to add special crunch or taste to food. Kosher salt is made by similar evaporation processes as cubic table salt. However, some processes allow their crystals to grow at normal atmospheric pressure which makes a different shaped and larger crystal possible. In other manufacturing processes, Kosher Salt is made by compressing table salt crystals under pressure and then sizing the resulting agglomerates to yield a coarse-type salt.

Sea salt is produced by evaporation of sea water at atmospheric temperature and pressure. The crystals tend to form inverted pyramid shapes not all that different from Kosher Salt produced at atmospheric pressure referred to in the first paragraph. Depending upon the geographic location, altitude, and composition of the salt ponds from which the salt originates, the salt may take on certain colors representing some of the trace minerals in the area. Some of these impart a different taste or flavor, either pleasant or possibly objectionable to the taste of the salt, and hence, the food to which it is added. Mainly, it is a matter of preference and cost. Generally speaking, sea salt is considerably more expensive than Kosher Salt or regular cubic table salt.