Screenshot of Lindows!!!

[MGMorden]

<< I have a little question: whats all this fuss about? Why are you people acting so aggressivley towards an OS that might be THE solution for many people? For example, I would much rather stick with linux, but seing that Linux does not support any of the programs (or games) that I use everyday unless with WINE or VMWARE etc... This is it! One OS! Finally! >>



I'm not arguing against Lindows; I think it's a great idea. I'm just arguing the face that it is still Linux. To take Lindows and say it's so much better is crazy. So many people have said that Linux could never be adapted to be user friendly and I think they're trying to seperate Lindows from Linux so that if this suceeds they won't be proven wrong by the fact that Linux COULD be adapted to be just as easy to use and install as Windows.

 

[Idoxash]

I don't get most of you ppl eh....you all talke of m$ burnning or something but then when some new OS comes out you put it down just cause it run like linux, looks like windows, and use the cool kde......thats lame dudes...you all should think of it as helping puttting a end to M$......so what if it kills linux.


You ppl said linux was fast and stabe. but I had probs it took all my 512megs of ram it crash on my amd and intel box that ran 98 without one single crash....it was fast but at times slugish.....oh and no games...yeah it have some but see dudes most ppl plays a lot of games that's not for linux and heck even most video cards that give you you the power needed is not there...whats up with drivers....so the point is too linux or whatever linux "ver" there is out there can do my hardware 100% right and i can play any game and i can surf the net with good looking sites then i goto it......till then i gusse i keep 98 on my pc......

 

[MGMorden]

<< I don't get most of you ppl eh....you all talke of m$ burnning or something but then when some new OS comes out you put it down just cause it run like linux, looks like windows, and use the cool kde......thats lame dudes...you all should think of it as helping puttting a end to M$......so what if it kills linux. >>



My point isn't that this is bad or that it might kill Linux, simply that it is Linux. By Lindows succeeding then Linux suceeds, because Lindows is a distro, like many others (Red hat, Mandrake, Slackware, Debian, Crux, Sorcerer, Suse, etc). This has a good chance of suceeding, but Lindows suceeding is not Linux failing.

I'm going to quit arguing the point though. I'm becoming clear that many people in here don't even understand what a distro is and hence can't comprehend what I'm saying.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

<< Ha, sounds like all the "Linux" guys are pissed off because if this enjoys any success at all, it will mean less attention for their OS of choice, which is dead in the water anyway as a desktop. When I hear about how people should "learn the OS" it makes me wonder just how far out of touch with reality some people are. 95 percent of the computer using population has NO INTEREST in learning command lines, how to compile a kernel, or using a terminal to start a program, or editing LILO with vi. If you think Linux is so special that only 5 percent of the populace ever deserves to use it, FINE, but if that is that case, it will never be more than a marginal OS, and will never be commercially important, because it will never MAKE ANY MONEY, and the good games and software WILL NEVER BE PORTED, EVER. Look at what has happened to the stock prices of Red Hat and VA Systems if you don't believe that...you so-called Linux fans should be happy for ANY attention you get, its the ONLY thing that will help Linux grow into more than a 5 percent (who are we kidding, more like .5 percent, the rest is MacOS) margin. Don't complain about not being able to play your games on Linux or not having ports of programs you like...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN...why?...because it doesn't MAKE ANY MONEY for the people who have tried it...(Loki Games). Lindows, if it ever gets off the ground, and thats a BIG if, may offer the last real hope of competing with Microsoft with ANYTHING. Its obvious all the Linux distros have failed miserably, (and I've noticed that over the last year most of them have disappeared from store shelves as well) not to mention that they aren't any more stable than the latest versions of Windows. Now I hear that AOL may buy Red Hat...hah! If that isn't the boomerang coming full circle, I don't know what is...the company that dumbed the internet down to the lowest possible level buying the "smart" OS....heh.
You "computer enthusiasts" should really quit arguing about what version of Linux or BSD or AmigaOS or whatever is best, or whether kernel 2.2.13.011.0034.000067 is better than 2.2.13.011.0034.000065, and maybe give a little support to someone who is really trying to compete against a monopoly, while there is still a point in anybody trying to. Why the hell do you think Microsoft is suing? They really see this as a threat, unlike Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, etc., etc., etc., because they think people in THEIR user base, the one they care about, THE 95%, might actually buy THIS, and not THEIRS.
Wake up. >>


hmm...you seem kind of angry, you should have that checked out
i dont think any linux geeks are going to lose any sleep if their 8 year old brother isn't using linux. and i dont see how you think that linux is going to go down the drain, obviously you don't understand it.


<< The fact is that Linux lags far behind in all kinds of hardware support, and always will. >>


i dont think the "always will" argument is very valid. sure, linux hardware support isnt the same as windows, but you can get most things working just fine.


<< I have no hardware newer than a year old, and I still can't get everything to work with any current Linux distro. >>


what piece of hardware isnt working?


<< That, and the fact that things like 3d support are rudimentary or nonexistent, doesn't make for a compelling argument to switch, >>


obviously you don't know about wine/winex, like nothinman said in another thread, some games actually run faster on linux than windows. are you speaking from experience or assumptions?


<< no matter how "superior" an OS it supposedly is... >>


you say that sarcastically, i guess if you want to think that windows is superior, you're entitled to your opinion


<< and then there's the fact that you simply can't run your current software. >>


so what? some software is the same (netscape, mozilla), and most others have competent substitutes, and many times, more than are available for windows. go to freshmeat.net and search for "text editor" or anything else. theres plenty of software for linux.


<< If you really think that your Windows software is bloated and doesn't function well, then Linux would not satisfy you, since the software offerings leave much to be desired. >>


once again, are you speaking from experience or assumptions? have you ever tried out different software besides the ones that gnome/kde give you?


<< Sure, they are free, by and large, but companies don't make any money on free stuff, so there is no incentive to do any serious development. >>


its called personal acheivement. you don't become a good gardener because you can make alot of money, but you still become good right?


<< The really good Linux software is the stuff ou have to pay for, just like for Windows. >>


you talk and talk about how linux users are stuck up and pissy and all that, yet you spew the most incorrect crap.


<< Linux in the minds of many, if not most, of it's affficianados it seems, is mainly about them knowing more about it than you do...at least that seems to be the prevalent attitude. Its kind of like an exclusive club that doesn't really want you to join, even though they never stop telling you how great it is. >>


sure the linux community is a bit elitest, but i dont see them begging grandma to come watch them install slackware. keep in mind, the ones who want everyone and their brother using linux tend to be the people who will profit from it monetatarily. sure, i'd like to see everyone using linux instead of windows, but its not gonna happen for a while.


<< Of course, when it can't do what you want it to, the attitude is that you don't really need to do that anyway. >>


what cant it do? game? nobody ever suggests to give up gaming for linux.


<< If thats what they want, fine, they can run an Atari 400 and load their programs from cassettes if they want, just don't tell me its better to do it that way. The fact is, Unix as an architecture is burdened with a ton of irrelevant components, legacy of a multi-user mainframe envirionment, and is just as outdated as the Windows architecture is, and they should both be replaced with something better. >>


hmmm..ok. the fact is, with linux you can get rid of all of the crap you find unnecessary. with windows, what do you have a choice about? you can uninstall pinball and wordpad, but you're stuck with their gui, and their whole architecture. like elledan said, linux can run on a pda, or something even smaller. its totally customizable. ever heard of those distros on a floppy like the linux router project? try doing that with windows. oh, and i think theres more than enough benchmarks to prove linux's worthiness.

 

[EmperorRob]

Don't miss the point of Lindows. It's not here to challenge Linux. It's to free people stuck with M$. How many of you at work have to use Outlook and M$ Exchange servers? That is why 90% of companies use M$ for the desktop machines. Now with Lindows you can use Linux and still run your 'necessary evils' at the same time.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< I don't get most of you ppl eh....you all talke of m$ burnning or something but then when some new OS comes out you put it down just cause it run like linux, looks like windows, and use the cool kde......thats lame dudes...you all should think of it as helping puttting a end to M$......so what if it kills linux.


You ppl said linux was fast and stabe. but I had probs it took all my 512megs of ram it crash on my amd and intel box that ran 98 without one single crash....it was fast but at times slugish.....oh and no games...yeah it have some but see dudes most ppl plays a lot of games that's not for linux and heck even most video cards that give you you the power needed is not there...whats up with drivers....so the point is too linux or whatever linux "ver" there is out there can do my hardware 100% right and i can play any game and i can surf the net with good looking sites then i goto it......till then i gusse i keep 98 on my pc...... >>



Do you smoke crack or are you trying to sound unintelligable?

 

[EmperorRob]

And the beauty of Lindows is, if you do smoke crack, you could keep up with your crack budget with either Kspread or Excel. Your choice!

 

[KeyserSoze]

I for one, am going to support it, just because like others said, to try to help other companies from the stronghold of M$. I use XP, and I like it. But still, the fact remains that they do use unfair practices.
(Or at least in my opinion.)


Just a reminder, Lindows is having legal troubles with M$ because of their name, read this link, it's pretty interesting:
Lindows News Articles





KeyserSoze

 

[civad]

I hat M$, and use RH/Mandrake Linux. But all comp and applications @ work are windozzz-based. So it's a pain to convert the documents/files from one format to another. (For e.g the printer doesnt print PDF files when I am running under Linux, so I have to convert every file to ps...)

If ther IS an easier way to run applications (I have nothing against wine!!) that are not dependant on a particulat OS, I would gladly give it a try.

 

[earthman]

I still say that the Linux community dropped the ball in a big way. 8 or 10 years ago, Unix dominated all "big" computers, nobody took Windows seriously, and Macs were lionized. Linux was a new and promising blip just appearing on the radar screen. In the years that followed, Apple faded from prominence by stubbornly refusing to open up its architecture, Windows and its derivatives became more and more ubiquitous, and the Linux community grew in popularity, (and arrogance, as all people who have had a "revelation" generally do) and mocked both Windows and a product, and Microsoft as a business model. So where are we now? Linux has fragmented into a hundred confusing and usually incompatible versions, Unix is fading away fast as a "big" computer OS, and Apples are props for TV shows. The Microsoft business model that was so vilifed has buried almost everybody, it seems, since only MS seems to be making any money these days, and what do you know, their systems don't even seem to crash much any more. When they complete their domination of the video game market with the X-box and finish buying up the internet via MSN and converting it to .NET, the world should be mostly under their control. Even the anti-trust suit has become a joke. I wonder what we'll be debating 10 years from now? Whether Bill Gates should run for president?

 

[NorthenLove]

<< I for one, am going to support it, just because like others said, to try to help other companies from the stronghold of M$. I use XP, and I like it. But still, the fact remains that they do use unfair practices.
(Or at least in my opinion.)


Just a reminder, Lindows is having legal troubles with M$ because of their name, read this link, it's pretty interesting:
Lindows News Articles





KeyserSoze >>



I think that this case will get thrown out, but more then likely at the expense of Lindows. Microsoft only has copyrights to "Microsoft Windows" and not to windows so this case is more then likely designed to strip the little cash Lindows has inorder to kill it before it has a chance to succed.

 

[Idoxash]

Do you smoke crack or are you trying to sound unintelligable?

Sorry you feel that way eh.....I think what i said what most ppl sees when trying out linux. I have it oh my pc but never use it. I here ppl talked of how it's fast and all these other kick things of it but i never did see it nor on other ppl pc running linux. I hate M$ belive me it's crap but i play games and surf the net. Linux does not in any way give me the games I want and all thoe net seems faster I like to look at something thats all gfx up eh....linux does not do that at all.


No i do not smoke crack and if you ask me we all unintelligable or we be spending our time of living doing far better things then fighting over what os rules....beside we Humans and that in it self sucks!

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< Do you smoke crack or are you trying to sound unintelligable? Sorry you feel that way eh.....I think what i said what most ppl sees when trying out linux. I have it oh my pc but never use it. I here ppl talked of how it's fast and all these other kick things of it but i never did see it nor on other ppl pc running linux. I hate M$ belive me it's crap but i play games and surf the net. Linux does not in any way give me the games I want and all thoe net seems faster I like to look at something thats all gfx up eh....linux does not do that at all.No i do not smoke crack and if you ask me we all unintelligable or we be spending our time of living doing far better things then fighting over what os rules....beside we Humans and that in it self sucks! >>



That was mostly a comment on your English which I almost feel bad for, not a comment on what you meant. I understand Linux is not for everyone. I enjoy going to a movie with plenty of explosions on occassion. Everyone needs to turn off their brains on occassion. I just dont necessarily do it while at my computer.

earthman, UNIX systems are still out there. They still control the net. Well, UNIX systems and main frames I think (cant remember what verisign is using for their main server now). Most root servers (root dns servers) are still UNIX. Many webservers are still UNIX. Many mail servers are still UNIX. It will not die out. It will not be forced off the net. It will not happen. So it is not #1. That is fine. Microsoft still has not produced a worthwhile server, in my opinion. They are still thinking desktops. ActiveX on a server? Hell no! ie on a server? Hell no! Why not? Because they are security risks. Microsoft still has not learned from their earlier mistakes, and I do not believe they ever will. Linux is slowly learning that security is a big thing (you will see almost as many Linux compromises as you will Windows, sorry to break it to you). Right now, as far as security goes, UNIX-like systems rule the roost. As far as big servers on the internet that have to keep chugging away, UNIX-like systems are still #1. As people beging to realize that paying for Microsoft products is as fruitless as trying to find a kitty in a bar full of transvestites, Linux and FreeBSD will earn some more respect. Of course, they have this respect, or are getting this respect, in countries where big corporations are not controlling the government (and some that maybe... Japan?). The US is the last to understand. It sucks for me.


*Nothinman, notice how I did not mention OpenBSD at all.

 

[thornc]

earthman I think you need to understand that Planet Earth is not composed of the US only....

There are many places out there were windows won't enter. Even in the US most servers are run with
Unix systems, even the NSA has a secured linux distro....

And I think you need to understand what Linux is!! Linux is a kernel.(period) Not an operating system
by it self... it misses the user interface to be considered that. And Linux hasn't "fragmented" and is not
"incompatible" beetween different distros! And Linux is a not a businness or else Linus would be rich
by now. Companies that sell commercial linux distributions are businesses no linux.
And those are making some money, not big money, but they are holding up pretty good.

I like the framented part, lets see DOS (all versions), Windows 2.x, Windows 3.x, Windows 95, 95OSR1
95OSR2, 95OSR2.1, Windows 98, 98SE, Windows ME, Windows NT, NT3.1, NT4( all versions), Windows
2000 (all versions), Windows XP(all versions), Windows NET (all versions)....
What are those? Apps and drivers designed for one won't work in the other and vice-versa...

 

[EmperorRob]

<< Unix is fading away fast as a "big" computer OS >>



Why you think that I have no idea, earthman. Try getting a job somewhere in America without Unix experience. There's a few to be had. But anyone who bases there business on M$ run software is asking for trouble.

 

[earthman]

The best technology is not always the one that succeeds. Remember Beta versus VHS? Betamax was there first, and was the better technology, but where is it? What about Laserdiscs? They were a superior technology, but when is the last time you saw one? Given how ruthless Microsoft has been in leveraging its products, do you really think it matters what is "better"??? Ask Caldera or IBM who had a better product 10 years ago. Today those products are gone, and MS is all over the world. Linus (or somebody) should have went head to head with MS back when they weren't a monoply...if somebody had, we might have real competition and real choices now. We might have OS's that recognize other file types and run competitors software, instead of pretending it doesn't exist. The way to compete with Windows is to DO WHAT IT DOES, not try to offer alternatives. People don't want alternatives, they want whats familiar. If Lindows can do that even in a small way, it will be a great, if belated accomplishment. You say MS can't make a good server? A few years ago they didn't make ANY server, now they have huge penetration in that market. My fear is that in ten years, the internet will be the inter.NET, and anything other than the current MS OS will be as relevant as a Colecovision is now. Gates/Balmer in 2012! AAAAAAAAAAA......!

 

[n0cmonkey]

earthman, again, Earth != US.

Germany uses a lot of SuSE
Brazil uses a lot of Connectiva (as well as other South American areas I believe)
Asia uses Turbo Linux (or did, are they still around?)
Japan pours money into FreeBSD
China uses Red Flag Linux

In the US:
NASA uses OpenBSD (as well as many other OSes Im sure)
NSA uses Linux and various other OSes Im sure
I heard reports of the DoD using OpenBSD in various places
Yahoo! uses a mixture of FreeBSD and Solaris
IBM is pushing Linux

Do not emulate. Do not follow in someone else's foot steps. Forge your own path. Who cares if we win or lose, lets just make it easier for us to play this game.

 

[Samsonid]

>> earthman, again, Earth != US.

Earth is also != to computer science kids in college who like to tinker with code.
Thinking themselves as computer Gods; several layers above the mass of common mortals. That's how I felt back in the 80's after getting my feet wet in machine code (Assembly Language). Thinking that I had attained the "Ultimate" programming power. A power only reserved to be handled by the elite minority. All else were trivialities... leftovers for uneducated naive creatures with compromised intellectual capacity; from the "shallow end" of the gene pool.

Boy, was I stupid or what...?

Let's not use Linux, in the same way, with its "esoteric" staff as a status game to boost the ego.

 

[Bluga]

<< yep, linux tends to suck for gamers, good thing i'm not one!!!!! HHAHAHAHAHA >>

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< >> earthman, again, Earth != US.

Earth is also != to computer science kids in college who like to tinker with code.
Thinking themselves as computer Gods; several layers above the mass of common mortals. That's how I felt back in the 80's after getting my feet wet in machine code (Assembly Language). Thinking that I had attained the "Ultimate" programming power. A power only reserved to be handled by the elite minority. All else were trivialities... leftovers for uneducated naive creatures with compromised intellectual capacity; from the "shallow end" of the gene pool.

Boy, was I stupid or what...?

Let's not use Linux, in the same way, with its "esoteric" staff as a status game to boost the ego. >>



Agreed. That is why I try to help people out with Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and Windows (what little I can help with) whenever I can. Obviously I dont always do it nicely, but I do try. Everyone of the linux users I see on here tries to help where he/she can. I do not think any of us believe we are elite because we use linux, there are other reasons why we are elite

I think Windows has its place. As does Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and Mac OS. I use them where I believe their strengths are when I can. I would not advocate *EVERYONE* use Linux. I dont want to fix my mom's computer every couple of days. Back on topic however, i am somewhat excited about Lindows. Even with the mailing list fiasco I will be testing it out when I get the chance. Hopefully they monitor Anandtech to see what possible users are saying and send me a free copy

 

[Idoxash]

That was mostly a comment on your English which I almost feel bad for, not a comment on what you meant.

Oh, i'm so sorry that I don't like to talk or chat like most ppl ok. I like being differ and to do that I also talk or chat differ too eh. I find what you say of me very sorry too eh. My English is prob just as good as any one else but unlike most ppl I can care less of how I speak or use it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< That was mostly a comment on your English which I almost feel bad for, not a comment on what you meant.

Oh, i'm so sorry that I don't like to talk or chat like most ppl ok. I like being differ and to do that I also talk or chat differ too eh. I find what you say of me very sorry too eh. My English is prob just as good as any one else but unlike most ppl I can care less of how I speak or use it. >>



That can cause problems later on. If I was going to hire someone I had better be able to understand them (perfect proper English is not necessary). Anyhow, my comment was out of line

 

[Idoxash]

haha dude belive me man i only act or talk like this with dudes or friends eh......no way would i do this for a job or well i do however talk like this with my boss but he tends not to care of it heck he even shows some moves over too these words but anyway....no prob right...I still find you one of the coolest here thoe i gusse that's why i got kinda upset when you made that comment of yours but no probs eh.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< haha dude belive me man i only act or talk like this with dudes or friends eh......no way would i do this for a job or well i do however talk like this with my boss but he tends not to care of it heck he even shows some moves over too these words but anyway....no prob right...I still find you one of the coolest here thoe i gusse that's why i got kinda upset when you made that comment of yours but no probs eh. >>



If you like reading my posts you should be honored I took the time to flame you too

 

[EmperorRob]

<< The way to compete withWindows is to DO WHAT IT DOES, not try to offer alternatives. People don't want alternatives, they want whats familiar. >>

You are speaking of the desktop market, not the business server world where downtime = lost money. But as for the desktop market, or any market people will always welcome alternatives; but different goods appeal to different people that's just the way of things.