Screaming 15-Year-Old Girl Pepper Sprayed After Biting Officer

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
And I reiterate, why cuff an ordinance violater? That's partly why this escalated. I don't know this particular jurisdiction, but it seems completely overboard unelss she had already tried to assault him off camera. He is in no danger here.

Curfew may be an ordinance, but resisting is a crime. If she had just followed instructions, then nothing would have come of it except maybe a small ticket or something.

If a cop tries to arrest me for jaywalking I don't punch him in the face and then blame my deserved buttkicking on the fact that he shouldn't have been arresting me. 😕

Check your timeline. Which happened first - cuffing or the bite? Why did he retaliate twice?

I think he hit her, thought better of it, and then did what he should have done with the spray.

There was this little punk pusher dude in the ghetto of the town I lived that got picked up on a couple of felony warrants for some B&E crap that he did with his little crew. And he had a mouth on him. Talked all kinds of smack, called one cop "cracker" and a black cop an "uncle tom", and started to make threats that his crew was gonna retaliate against their families.

He didn't even get it out of his punk mouth. The big cop cuffed him so fast it made my head spin and literally threw him in the back of the car and gave him a deathly STFU stare. He did. Immediately. It was beautiful.

 

[Canai]

What no tasering? 🙁

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
And I highly doubt you could walk into court and prove that. Attempting to cuff someone =! needlessly escalating anything.

If you assert that she resisted (as the basis for cuffing her) prior to that bite, I'd have a field day with that tape.

There are some great cops who do everything by the book. Then there are the ones who believe they are disciplinarians. They are not. The system takes care of that.

 

[manowar821]

That cop is a pansy. I'm not defending the girl, she's an idiot, but so is that cop.

Besides, curfew laws are idiotic, and any cop that arrests someone for breaking it is an idiot. Anyone who disagrees with that is wrong.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: manowar821
That cop is a pansy. I'm not defending the girl, she's an idiot, but so is that cop.

Besides, curfew laws are idiotic, and any cop that arrests someone for breaking it is an idiot. Anyone who disagrees with that is wrong.

I disagree

 

[OutHouse]

humm were was this? the time stamp says Jul 14th @ 7:20pm. I dont ever remember it being dark by 7:20 in July.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: manowar821
That cop is a pansy. I'm not defending the girl, she's an idiot, but so is that cop.

Besides, curfew laws are idiotic, and any cop that arrests someone for breaking it is an idiot. Anyone who disagrees with that is wrong.

I disagree

😀

 

[rivan]

I think the cop acted with remarkable patience and restraint. I'm not sure if the punch thrown after he pulled his hand away landed, but it certainly wasn't a punch intended to hurt her - that guy's big enough that he would have knocked her senseless if he was really trying to punch her.

As for being arrested for curfew? Seems excessive, but the curfew's there for a reason. It's likely she either gave him attitude after a warning, is a repeat offender, or something to make the cop enforce it to the degree of an arrest.

I think it's horrible that the cop had to put out his own voice recorder to catch that - a local cop friend of mine just ordered one of his own for this exact reason - his car only records video, not audio.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Chryso
You apparently DO know that he wasn't in any danger.

We were talking about off camera vs on, smart ass.

WTF?? ill tell you what happened off camera. he rolled up on the girl after curfew, he lowered his window and asked her why she was out after cerfew, she gets belligerent for no apperant reason. he gets out of his car to calm her down but she still is belligerent. now the cop is concerned for her safety and tries to put her in his car to take her home she refuses and tries to run off. cop stops her and pulls her to the front of his car to start recording what happens so protect him, her and the city. girl becomes more enraged and he tries to cuff her without hurting her, she bites him hard to where he thinks she is going to go zombie on him. the cop protects himself by hitting her to get her off him and then pepper sprays her to get her attention onto something else besides from eating him. after she got sprayed the cuffs went on pretty fast and the situation is over.

see if you can speculate, i can too.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Citrix
humm were was this? the time stamp says Jul 14th @ 7:20pm. I dont ever remember it being dark by 7:20 in July.

that is odd , it says dateline : fort pierce florida

must be a conspiracy! the tape is photochopped! he probably tazed her bro

 

[Capt Caveman]

All I know is after the pepper spraying, she stopped resisting and was easily handcuffed. Just like the tase me bro guy, once he was tased, he stopped resisting.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
All I know is after the pepper spraying, she stopped resisting and was easily handcuffed. Just like the tase me bro guy, once he was tased, he stopped resisting.

True story, and, even better, if you shoot them, they can never resist again.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Chryso

It's things that make me think we need mandatory military service if for no other reason than teaching people the discipline that so many never get at home.

that has always been my main reason for the benefit of a military draft, to instill discipline and respect for authority into a large portion of the population. but i guess that take away people's freedom. bummer

 

[Felisity]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
I cuff ordinance violater's all the time. Their level of hostility determines whether or not they get brought in and fingerprinted/photographed or merely let go on a verbal or ticket. The girl bit him, he struck back. She is STILL resisting, and pepper spray was a perfectly viable option. And yes, I realize he is probably twice her size, but he is probably 1) not trying to hurt her, which he easily could and 2) prevent himself from getting bitten again. Just because you've done ride along's doesn't mean you seen a quarter of what we put up with or how we deal with it.

QFT. :thumbsup:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

THis wouldn't be an issue if officers were just allowed to shoot without warning. People would really begin to think twice.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Cop should've shot her sorry ass. Should've arrested her whole family too for raising the kid wrong. Anyone who disagrees with me is correct.

Sadly, this most likely does come down to poor parenting.
It's things that make me think we need mandatory military service if for no other reason than teaching people the discipline that so many never get at home.

The military does not teach discipline. The military teaches authoritarianism and conformity.

Authoritarianism describes a form of social control characterized by strict obedience to the authority of a state or organization, often maintaining and enforcing control through the use of oppressive measures. Authoritarian regimes are strongly hierarchical.

This is not discipline. This is "my way or the highway" which is something that no reasonable citizen in good standing should have to succumb to under normal circumstances.

I've never been in the military, yet I understand and respect the laws of this country. I think this law enforcement officer was on the cusp of going too far, but reigned it in and did his job. It looked sloppy to me, but until I've walked a mile in his shoes, I can not make an accurate assessment of what he was going through and the difficulty someone in his position has in performing day to day activities.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
All I know is after the pepper spraying, she stopped resisting and was easily handcuffed. Just like the tase me bro guy, once he was tased, he stopped resisting.

True story, and, even better, if you shoot them, they can never resist again.

christ dude. in your book can the cops use any means of less than lethal force to subdue a suspect who is fighting?

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
just interested to see how many ATOTers will come in accusing the cop of brutality.

all of them?

 

[Felisity]

Originally posted by: Citrix
humm were was this? the time stamp says Jul 14th @ 7:20pm. I dont ever remember it being dark by 7:20 in July.

Arizona and Hawaii do not deviate from Standard Time and therefore, do not observe daylight savings. It's quite possible for that to have been somewhere in AZ or HI, and yes, for it to have been dark by 7pm.

And if you've spent any time in the sweltering summer sun in those regions you can understand why residents don't need another hour of sunlight. 😀

EDIT: Didn't see the part about it being FL until after I posted this. My mistake... oh well... maybe the camera was set for the wrong time somehow?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Cop should've shot her sorry ass. Should've arrested her whole family too for raising the kid wrong. Anyone who disagrees with me is correct.

Sadly, this most likely does come down to poor parenting.
It's things that make me think we need mandatory military service if for no other reason than teaching people the discipline that so many never get at home.

The military does not teach discipline. The military teaches authoritarianism and conformity.

Authoritarianism describes a form of social control characterized by strict obedience to the authority of a state or organization, often maintaining and enforcing control through the use of oppressive measures. Authoritarian regimes are strongly hierarchical.

This is not discipline. This is "my way or the highway" which is something that no reasonable citizen in good standing should have to succumb to under normal circumstances.

I've never been in the military, yet I understand and respect the laws of this country. I think this law enforcement officer was on the cusp of going too far, but reigned it in and did his job. It looked sloppy to me, but until I've walked a mile in his shoes, I can not make an accurate assessment of what he was going through and the difficulty someone in his position has in performing day to day activities.

yes it does teach discipline.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Kaelyn

Originally posted by: Citrix
humm were was this? the time stamp says Jul 14th @ 7:20pm. I dont ever remember it being dark by 7:20 in July.

Arizona and Hawaii do not deviate from Standard Time and therefore, do not observe daylight savings. It's quite possible for that to have been somewhere in AZ or HI, and yes, for it to have been dark by 7pm.

And if you've spent any time in the sweltering summer sun in those regions you can understand why residents don't need another hour of sunlight. 😀

dude its the middle of summer, unless you are in the southern hemisphere its not dark anywhere in the US at 7:20pm in July. i know here in Denver the sun does not set until a little after 10pm and Texas is the same.

 

[Felisity]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Kaelyn

Originally posted by: Citrix
humm were was this? the time stamp says Jul 14th @ 7:20pm. I dont ever remember it being dark by 7:20 in July.

Arizona and Hawaii do not deviate from Standard Time and therefore, do not observe daylight savings. It's quite possible for that to have been somewhere in AZ or HI, and yes, for it to have been dark by 7pm.

And if you've spent any time in the sweltering summer sun in those regions you can understand why residents don't need another hour of sunlight. 😀

dude its the middle of summer, unless you are in the southern hemisphere its not dark anywhere in the US at 7:20pm in July. i know here in Denver the sun does not set until a little after 10pm and Texas is the same.

Guess you didn't see my edit. 😛

I've lived all over the country. Dallas in particular comes to mind... it was always dark by 9pm at the latest in the summer. Even in Sacramento it was always dark by 9pm. I don't think anywhere in the country stays light until 10pm, unless it might be cities stuck in one time zone when they really should have been part of another. Part of Alabama is this way, the extreme eastern towns really should be part of eastern time, but they just divided it by the state line between AL and GA. Reason I say this, is that in the winter there it won't get light until almost 8:30 or 9am... which is pretty strange when the rest of the country that's observing standard time, has their dawn between 5 - 7am. Just something to think about... perhaps this could have been the case with the location of this incident.

EDIT: oh and I'm not a dude... I am a dudette (if you must use that terminology) hehe 😀

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Cop should've shot her sorry ass. Should've arrested her whole family too for raising the kid wrong. Anyone who disagrees with me is correct.

Sadly, this most likely does come down to poor parenting.
It's things that make me think we need mandatory military service if for no other reason than teaching people the discipline that so many never get at home.

The military does not teach discipline. The military teaches authoritarianism and conformity.

Authoritarianism describes a form of social control characterized by strict obedience to the authority of a state or organization, often maintaining and enforcing control through the use of oppressive measures. Authoritarian regimes are strongly hierarchical.

This is not discipline. This is "my way or the highway" which is something that no reasonable citizen in good standing should have to succumb to under normal circumstances.

I've never been in the military, yet I understand and respect the laws of this country. I think this law enforcement officer was on the cusp of going too far, but reigned it in and did his job. It looked sloppy to me, but until I've walked a mile in his shoes, I can not make an accurate assessment of what he was going through and the difficulty someone in his position has in performing day to day activities.

yes it does teach discipline.

No, it doesn't teach discipline, it teaches "discipline".

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Cop should've shot her sorry ass. Should've arrested her whole family too for raising the kid wrong. Anyone who disagrees with me is correct.

Sadly, this most likely does come down to poor parenting.
It's things that make me think we need mandatory military service if for no other reason than teaching people the discipline that so many never get at home.

The military does not teach discipline. The military teaches authoritarianism and conformity.

Authoritarianism describes a form of social control characterized by strict obedience to the authority of a state or organization, often maintaining and enforcing control through the use of oppressive measures. Authoritarian regimes are strongly hierarchical.

This is not discipline. This is "my way or the highway" which is something that no reasonable citizen in good standing should have to succumb to under normal circumstances.

I've never been in the military, yet I understand and respect the laws of this country. I think this law enforcement officer was on the cusp of going too far, but reigned it in and did his job. It looked sloppy to me, but until I've walked a mile in his shoes, I can not make an accurate assessment of what he was going through and the difficulty someone in his position has in performing day to day activities.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[pnad]

Originally posted by: bignateykif someone was biting you so hard that you thought it was going to tear a chunk of your hand off, you wouldnt do whatever you could to get them to stop immediatly? I was joking about the beating her senseless, but I would have hit her for sure to get her to stop. I wouldnt have spent the time to dig out my pepper spray with her clamping down all the while.

You obviously didn't watch the video.

He did not hit her to get her to release.

Bite
pull away/release
reaction punch
DO NOT BITE ME
3 second pause
PEPPER SPRAY

The officer was trying to be nice. I can't fault him for the punch. Chalk it up to instinct/reaction. It did connect but it appeared that he held it back. She was pretty shocked by the hit and lay still for a few seconds while he pulled out the spray.

My gut says she deserved it, but I don't see how it was necessary.