SCOTUS to take up Birth Control Cases

[Jaskalas]

i hope they side with hobby lobby myself. why should the owners pay for birth control if they are against it?

Technically they already do. They pay the worker, the worker goes out and buys birth control. It's just that the government wants to rub it in the employer's face by making it line item.

!@#$ such intrusion, there's no need for it.

 

[Jimzz]

I'm getting a little bit confused on this topic.

I read from The American Spectator:


But it's more about abortion like things Huff Post:


So do they allow the normal pill (is there such a thing?) but they do not want to cover abortifacients?

This is not just the HL case but the Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp. case as well. They merged the 2 since they are using similar arguments.

 

[nehalem256]

Lower cancer risk, Clearer skin, Lighter, less painful periods, PMS relief, Endometriosis relief, Fewer periods, Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) relief

Taken from WebMD

Of course none of those are the real reason Obamacare demands BC be covered. Just look at their own advertisements:

Finally there is the undermining of Griswold v. Connecticut. This is an extremely important ruling that said that because of a fundamental right to privacy in sexual relationships the government could not be making birth control illegal. The presumed right to privacy in sexual relationships has been the foundation of pretty much every sexual rights case since... Einstadt v. Baird, Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas...but if the court decides that companies can micromanage the birth control practices of their employees over moral concerns then the privacy rights of Griswold get shredded and the avenue of support of all the rest gets undermined."

How does a right to privacy exist when you are demanding that 3rd party pay for your sexual activity.

If you don't want someone "micromanaging" your life then don't demand they micropay for your life choices.

 

[zinfamous]

^ you know, when you guys first started posting those ads, I assumed you had been duped by some spoof website....but it seems they are legit (PA state exchanges only, though?)

anyway, whatever young ad idiots they put in charge of that campaign need to be fired, and never hired again. anywhere.

lol, those are so damn ridiculous.

 

[Texashiker]

There comes a point when the government is infringing in our daily lives too much. this hobby lobby is a good example.

The government needs to stay out of our lives and our business.

It has gotten to the point that if some group does not like what someone else is doing, that group goes running to the government.

If someone does not like what hobby lobby is doing, suck it up and move on. Let hobby lobby conduct business as they see fit.

These liberal groups need to stop forcing their agenda upon others.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

ITT: Stupid progressives still living by the notion that an employer is "family" and should base their benefits, pay, and decisions on you.

Reality: An employer is (and should) be entitled to compensate an employee however they see fit. They should be able to get rid of an employee however they see fit, anytime they see fit. If Hobby Lobby loses, I hope they revoke any and all health care benefits and people can see how they like it.

 

[irishScott]

I don't know why you guys are wasting your time debating traditional birth control when that's not on the list of contraception Hobby Lobby is opposing.


They have no problem with preventing pregnancy through traditional birth control pills, they just object to the ones that they equate with abortion. I still disagree with them, but you guys are debating a complete non-issue.

Good to know, although the debate's still interesting from a philosophical perspective I suppose.

 

[TheSiege]

There comes a point when the government is infringing in our daily lives too much. this hobby lobby is a good example.

The government needs to stay out of our lives and our business.

It has gotten to the point that if some group does not like what someone else is doing, that group goes running to the government.

If someone does not like what hobby lobby is doing, suck it up and move on. Let hobby lobby conduct business as they see fit.

These liberal groups need to stop forcing their agenda upon others.

Says the guy who believes the government should outlaw abortion

"Stay out of my personal life government, unless its something I agree with."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

ITT: Stupid progressives still living by the notion that an employer is "family" and should base their benefits, pay, and decisions on you.

Reality: An employer is (and should) be entitled to compensate an employee however they see fit. They should be able to get rid of an employee however they see fit, anytime they see fit. If Hobby Lobby loses, I hope they revoke any and all health care benefits and people can see how they like it.

Where is the line? can I compensate a man because he has a family more than a single person? Can I fire someone because they support a candidate I don't like? Can I fire someone because they became a Muslim? Can I fire someone because they acquired a health condition that will increase my insurance costs too much? Can I choose not to hire men?

 

[TheSiege]

If the right can say how and when a woman gets an abortion, why can't the left say how and when to prevent an unplanned pregnancy in the first place?

 

[irishScott]

And Tylenol runs about $7 for 30 pack or $20 for 100 count. Plus it is sold everywhere AND there are multiple generic pain killers available
plus I would guess the HL would have a problem paying for a Dr visit that could end up having birth control prescribed.

Still costs less than cable, which people on welfare somehow afford.

As for the HL restricting access to Dr's appointments that might result in a BC restriction, how exactly are they going to do that? They'd have to not cover any appointments in the first place to be sure, and the bad press alone would probably sink their company if they did so.

 

[irishScott]

If the right can say how and when a woman gets an abortion, why can't the left say how and when to prevent an unplanned pregnancy in the first place?

Because society has collectively decided that we can't restrict the creation of life but the jury's still out on exactly how often we can restrict the ending of life.

 

[Texashiker]

Says the guy who believes the government should outlaw abortion

The government should protect all lives equally, regardless of location.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Still costs less than cable, which people on welfare somehow afford.

Insurance payouts aren't based on the ability of the recipient to afford a particular medication or procedure. "Yes, your insurance would normally cover this, but we see that you make $50,000 a year, and we've determined that you can cover the cost of this yourself."

 

[soulcougher73]

Let's unsaddle health insurance from businesses. Lots of problems solved at once.

 

[Oldgamer]

i hope they side with hobby lobby myself. why should the owners pay for birth control if they are against it?

If Scotus rules in favor of the corporations and companies, then the next logical step will be Mennonites refusing coverage for blood transfusions, and not allowing other types of medically necessary things for people to live, or live free of pain because they feel it is against their religious beliefs. Yep, I think Scotus took this issue up because I think Scalia and the other Neocon's want to rule infavor of these corporations. I will be shocked if they don't.

 

[Oldgamer]

Let's unsaddle health insurance from businesses. Lots of problems solved at once.

Health Insurance Benefits provided by companies were part of your pay package deal, to entice you to come work for them over their competitors. I think it would essentially like getting a pay cut if what you propose should happen.

 

[irishScott]

Insurance payouts aren't based on the ability of the recipient to afford a particular medication or procedure. "Yes, your insurance would normally cover this, but we see that you make $50,000 a year, and we've determined that you can cover the cost of this yourself."

No, but it comes into the issue of whether something should be covered in the first place or not.

If something is readily available and readily affordable by even the poorest working Americans without insurance, and isn't already covered, why should it be covered? What real benefit comes from it being covered? People on welfare have to choose between cable and birth control? Oh the humanity.

 

[Texashiker]

If something is readily available and readily affordable by even the poorest working Americans without insurance, and isn't already covered, why should it covered? What real benefit comes from it being covered? People on welfare have to choose between cable and birth control? Oh the humanity.

A lot of local health departments have a family planning program, it is called title 10.

All a woman or man has to do is go in there and tell the health department they want birth control. The men can get condoms usually for free, and the birth control pills and iuds are usually based on income guidelines.

There are other options out there besides forcing companies to offer a programs they do not want to.

 

[TheSiege]

A lot of local health departments have a family planning program, it is called title 10.

All a woman or man has to do is go in there and tell the health department they want birth control. The men can get condoms usually for free, and the birth control pills and iuds are usually based on income guidelines.

There are other options out there besides forcing companies to offer a programs they do not want to.

Title X is paid for by Tax payer money, your money. This is no different than HL paying for it through health insurance, except for the fact that the money is probably better spent and less wasted on another government program.

 

[TheSiege]

I don't see how this is a violation of someones religious rights anyway. They aren't providing the service, the insurance company is. Does this mean that HL owners wont/dont purchase items from places that support/fund abortions because their money is going to pay for that. It all comes down to money not morals. They are just too big of pussies to say so.

 

[nehalem256]

If the right can say how and when a woman gets an abortion, why can't the left say how and when to prevent an unplanned pregnancy in the first place?

Because they are pro-choice. If a single mom with 3 bastard kids with 3 baby-daddies wants to have a 4th bastard child then society should bow down and worship her CHOICE. And anyone who in anyway questions it hates women.

 

[TheSiege]

Because they are pro-choice. If a single mom with 3 bastard kids with 3 baby-daddies wants to have a 4th bastard child then society should bow down and worship her CHOICE. And anyone who in anyway questions it hates women.

65% of abortions in America are by Protestants or Catholics.
36% are white, the largest portion of abortions
And most abortions per capita happen in the northeast

 

[Doppel]

The whole concept of employer-paid insurance beyond f**king stupid. We need to do away with it.