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SCOTUS rules: gay marriage approved

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shira said:
Speaking as a non-believer, but putting myself in the shoes of believers, I don't think it matters if God knows you're planning on sinning, or even planning on last-instant repentance. I think all that matters is that at the very, very end the repentance is sincere. And if one did truly believe, then I have no doubt that the repentance would be sincere.
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It does matter if you're planning on sinning or planning on a last-instant repentance. Redemption in Christianity is earned through faith, not actions.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
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Ephesians 2:8-9.

You view a last-instant repentance as a discrete action taken at a discrete point in time that can be pre-planned. If it is, whatever you are thinking of is not what gets a Christian into heaven. It's merely an action, and actions are not what determine whether you get into heaven. Christians are saved by faith--i.e., what they believe in their heart. They are not saved by "repentance," or by simply saying "sorry" at the last instant of their lives.

Faith will influence your actions, but your actions do not determine your faith.

If you plan on sinning your whole life and repenting at the end, you do not have genuine faith.

I'd rather not stray too far off topic and subject everyone else to off-topic preachy-ness, so if you want to continue this debate, send me a PM.
 
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shira said:
Now Davis is claiming that the same-sex marriage licenses issued today are invalid. And her attorney says he's going to submit a habeas corpus petition to get Davis released.

Her position is absurd. If Davis were in a coma after an accident, would the Country Clerk's office be unable to issue valid marriage licenses? Well, Davis is just as unavailable to perform her duties right now as if where were in a coma.
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Any lingering doubt that this lady is an absolute evil wise and beautiful woman has surely vanished now.
 
HomerJS said:
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars"

That was a directive from Jesus.

Why is Davis failing to follow the bible?
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Here's an even better bible passage supporting your point:

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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Romans 13:1-7.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
I'd actually give that nod to Christie.



Edit: Nevermind. Fiorina wins hands down.
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I stand corrected there are three reasonable stances from the GOP field. I guess the question is would their SCOTUS nominees overturn this years decision on same-sex marriage.

Because that, as much as (if not more than) any of the 2016 president elect's positions and policies, is the real thing that will be the consequence (good or bad) of the upcoming election.


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Just read an article, the Judge said she will be in jail at least a week. He implied the only thing that needed to be done was get that office to issue marriage licenses to all. He did mention that there would be punishment for any "shenanigans" to prevent the licenses from being issued.
Looks like she could be released without complying. Not sure what would happen if she gets back into the office and shuts everything down again. I know she'd look at jail time again but what about the staff?
He Husband sounds like a nutcase. He said she is prepared to spend as much time as she needs to in jail to win the case. Got news for him the case has been lost and its dead there is no winning at this point.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Just read an article, the Judge said she will be in jail at least a week. He implied the only thing that needed to be done was get that office to issue marriage licenses to all. He did mention that there would be punishment for any "shenanigans" to prevent the licenses from being issued.
Looks like she could be released without complying. Not sure what would happen if she gets back into the office and shuts everything down again. I know she'd look at jail time again but what about the staff?
He Husband sounds like a nutcase. He said she is prepared to spend as much time as she needs to in jail to win the case. Got news for him the case has been lost and its dead there is no winning at this point.
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Dude, God wants her to do this. I suspect it will end in failure, given all the other people doing what "God called them" to do.
 
Unrelated to Davis but related to Obergefell in general, the madness seems to be spreading.

A judge in Tenn. has had his feathers ruffled by the USSC's stance and is now claiming that, due to the USSC's definition of marriage being contrary to his State's Constitution, he is unable to define divorce and, as such, unable to perform divorce. The killer isn't his eyebrow-raising assertion but instead the passive-aggressively written opinion. I feel sorry for every couple (former couple?) caught up in him making political statements - they didn't ask for this and their lives are probably in turmoil enough as it is.

Also, similar to Davis, an Oregon judge and former head of the Oregon Republican Party is now refusing to perform marriages altogether saying perform such duties for same-sex couples would violate his First-Amendment Rights. He's instructing his clerks to do the same and, thanks to his instruction, it seems this judge is actually encouraging lawlessness which I assume is going to get him in trouble.
 
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Rhonda the Sly said:
Unrelated to Davis but related to Obergefell in general, the madness seems to be spreading.

A judge in Tenn. has had his feathers ruffled by the USSC's stance and is now claiming that, due to the USSC's definition of marriage being contrary to his State's Constitution, he is unable to define divorce and, as such, unable to perform divorce. The killer isn't his eyebrow-raising assertion but instead the passive-aggressively written opinion. I feel sorry for every couple (former couple?) caught up in him making political statements - they didn't ask for this and their lives are probably in turmoil enough as it is.

Also, similar to Davis, an Oregon judge and former head of the Oregon Republican Party is now refusing to perform marriages altogether saying perform such duties for same-sex couples would violate his First-Amendment Rights. He's instructing his clerks to do the same and, thanks to his instruction, it seems this judge is actually encouraging lawlessness which I assume is going to get him in trouble.
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this would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
 
Be a way to house clean idiots.

I am sure the ACLU will be chomping at the bit to take on each one :thumbsup:

Not often will i praise the ACLU, but this is one
 
HEHE
Just occurs to me...
Government was dysfunctional in this case. Not working.
People could not get marriage license. The wheels of justice at a halt.
Then... this moron psycho is toss in jail and TADA!!!
Government marches forward. Law rules. People are serviced. Functions performed.
hmmmmmmm
Sounds to me that if we tossed the US house of reps in jail, we could fix healthcare.
Fix the immigration thing.
Take down ISIS.
Raise the living wage.
Get some common sense gun control.

WOW!!!!
Elections are not the answer. Jail time is the answer to dysfunctional government.
WOW, simply WOW!!!
 
the more I see about issues that impact what really amounts to a tiny fraction of the population the more I can't wait until they are just over and done with as truly who cares, let them get their licenses to marry, let them deal with divorce, let them do whatever....just get beyond this as it seems to be occupying way too much of peoples effort when there are far larger things to focus on which have much broader impact.
 
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artemicion said:
It does matter if you're planning on sinning or planning on a last-instant repentance. Redemption in Christianity is earned through faith, not actions.



Ephesians 2:8-9.

You view a last-instant repentance as a discrete action taken at a discrete point in time that can be pre-planned. If it is, whatever you are thinking of is not what gets a Christian into heaven. It's merely an action, and actions are not what determine whether you get into heaven. Christians are saved by faith--i.e., what they believe in their heart. They are not saved by "repentance," or by simply saying "sorry" at the last instant of their lives.

Faith will influence your actions, but your actions do not determine your faith.

If you plan on sinning your whole life and repenting at the end, you do not have genuine faith.

I'd rather not stray too far off topic and subject everyone else to off-topic preachy-ness, so if you want to continue this debate, send me a PM.
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Don't mind me, I just hate it when someone cites Ephesians 2:8-9 without including verse 10: "For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
 
What's the point of this bullshit anyways? A small part of me blames the people who go to these backwoods shit holes for their "license". Or even bigger picture, the current implementation of marriage in the US is so goofy that it deserves the crap that happens.

I can sign a valid contract for nearly any reason at anytime without getting some government dimwit involved. Why can't people just sign a standard contract between each other if they feel the need. There doesn't seem to be anything inherent to a marriage agreement that requires the oversight of elected officials.

Fuck this gay earth.
 
The more Government you entertain, the more you will have to deal with distasteful shit.

The question is;

Is Government worth the distasteful shit?

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
The more Government you entertain, the more you will have to deal with distasteful shit.

The question is;

Is Government worth the distasteful shit?

-John
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Government exists solely because people act badly. If no one ever had a nasty divorce, government wouldn't be involved in marriage.
Gay marriage exists for a slightly more complicated way that people have acted badly. If no ostracized and disowned gay son from poor beginnings in Indiana had ever moved to California, become successful and wealthy but then died relatively young in a tragic accident, and then the parents who hated and disowned their own son hadn't taken all the wealth that he had created because his gay partner was denied the legal protections of marriage...
 
Humpy said:
What's the point of this bullshit anyways? A small part of me blames the people who go to these backwoods shit holes for their "license". Or even bigger picture, the current implementation of marriage in the US is so goofy that it deserves the crap that happens.
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Maybe they go to those "backwoods shit holes" for their marriage license because they live there.

I can sign a valid contract for nearly any reason at anytime without getting some government dimwit involved. Why can't people just sign a standard contract between each other if they feel the need. There doesn't seem to be anything inherent to a marriage agreement that requires the oversight of elected officials.
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As has been discussed ad nauseam, marriage confers a host of benefits that would never be covered by a simple contract - from taxes, to hospital visitation rights, to automatic (and unquestioned) ability to make medical decisions for your spouse, etc...
 
Vic said:
Government exists solely because people act badly. If no one ever had a nasty divorce, government wouldn't be involved in marriage.
Gay marriage exists for a slightly more complicated way that people have acted badly. If no ostracized and disowned gay son from poor beginnings in Indiana had ever moved to California, become successful and wealthy but then died relatively young in a tragic accident, and then the parents who hated and disowned their own son hadn't taken all the wealth that he had created because his gay partner was denied the legal protections of marriage...
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Government exists to serve Government today. It is it's own entity, and has lost all relation to the people that it purports to serve.

America was conceived as a country that would have limited Government, limited Religious interference.

The land of the free.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
Government exists to serve Government today. It is it's own entity, and has lost all relation to the people that it purports to serve.

America was conceived as a country that would have limited Government, limited Religious interference.

The land of the free.

-John
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^^ this guy is on social security and medicare. lmao.
 
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