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SCOTUS rules: ACA subsidies apply to ALL states

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I hate saying anything good about GWB, but he certainly could have done worse with the Roberts appointment.

let's all just breathe a collective sigh of relief that Harriett Myers isn't on the bench.
 
Btw, Republican healthcare plan...where is it. 5 years later I don't see one single Republican healthcare bill passed in either the House or Senate, or out of any of the relevant committees in Congress. Hello? Bueller?
 
Jhhnn said:
Not quite. The 4th Circuit ruled against the federal exchange, so the only way to uphold the exchange was by reversing that decision.

Had the 4th circuit upheld the federal exchange, the SCOTUS refusing cert would have accomplished much the same thing but this turns out to be stronger & more emphatic.
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http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/symposium-the-court-will-hear-king-thats-bad-news-for-the-aca/
In a significant setback for the Obama administration, the Supreme Court just agreed to review King v. Burwell, the Fourth Circuit’s decision upholding an IRS rule extending tax credits to federally established exchanges. The government had asked the Court to take a pass because there’s no split in the circuit courts over whether the IRS rule is valid. At least four justices—it only takes four to grant certiorari—voted to take the case anyhow.
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No, what’s troubling is that four justices apparently think—or at least are inclined to think—that King was wrongly decided. As I’ve said before, there’s no other reason to take King. The challengers urged the Court to intervene now in order to resolve “uncertainty” about the availability of federal tax credits. In the absence of a split, however, the only source of uncertainty is how the Supreme Court might eventually rule. After all, if it was clear that the Court would affirm in King, there would have been no need to intervene now. The Court could have stood pat, confident that it could correct any errant decisions that might someday arise.
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Btw, Republican healthcare plan...where is it. 5 years later I don't see one single Republican healthcare bill passed in either the House or Senate, or out of any of the relevant committees in Congress. Hello? Bueller?
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The Republican healthcare bill is to let you die in the woods when you can't move anymore. 😱
 
First said:
Btw, Republican healthcare plan...where is it. 5 years later I don't see one single Republican healthcare bill passed in either the House or Senate, or out of any of the relevant committees in Congress. Hello? Bueller?
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Trump was just on Fox saying he'd replace it with something better and less expensive of course with zero details of what that might be. He also railed against Roberts and claimed Jeb really wanted Roberts on the court. I'm glad he's in the race, he'll probably destroy any chance the repubs may have had to win, I'm surprised Fox is giving him so much attention.
 
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First said:
Btw, Republican healthcare plan...where is it. 5 years later I don't see one single Republican healthcare bill passed in either the House or Senate, or out of any of the relevant committees in Congress. Hello? Bueller?
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uhhh dude...they've been busy. Have you forgotten Benghazi already??? :sneaky:

I am certainly glad SCOTUS ruled on this, as opposed to punting it back down based on procedural errors.

Thomas and Scalia are like the new Laurel and Hardy, except in this case both of them are "the clueless one"...sooo...more like Laurel and Laurel.
 
K1052 said:
Scalia's dissent is going to be 19 different shades of butthurt, I can see it now.
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It's getting downright amusing the frequency with which Scalia is on the wrong side of history and the Constitution. That man is a disgrace to the bench he sits on.
 
Yeah, well what else can you say about conservatives/Repubs on healthcare; endless nonsense about replacing ACA with absolutely nothing substantial in terms of actually passing an ACA alternative law. Proposals with scant details, no CBO score and no progress in committee are, of course, total jokes without progress on the aforementioned bullet points. All of this because healthcare trade-offs and politics are disastrous for the right, just can't work it out in that giant heap of contradiction.
 
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Yeah, well what else can you say about conservatives/Repubs on healthcare; endless nonsense about replacing ACA with absolutely nothing substantial in terms of actually passing an ACA alternative law. Proposals with scant details, no CBO score and no progress in committee are, of course, total jokes without progress on the aforementioned bullet points. All of this because healthcare trade-offs and politics are disastrous for the right, just can't work it out in that giant heap of contradiction.
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The conservatives currently have no way of getting the law modified.

It was rammed down their throats.
the middle class is getting economically affected as a result of a "feel good" concept.
Until there is a reversal in the political control nothing will be able to be done.

People voting for their wallets instead of promises.
 
soundforbjt said:
Trump was just on Fox saying he'd replace it with something better and less expensive of course with zero details of what that might be. He also railed against Roberts and claimed Jeb really wanted Roberts on the court. I'm glad he's in the race, he'll probably destroy any chance the repubs may have had to win, I'm surprised Fox is giving him so much attention.
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I'm sure he also said that the Mexicans would pay for his healthcare plan. And it won't be like one of those schlub healthcare plans. This one's gonna be classy.
 
Here's an alternate reasoning for why the ACA stood the test of time and legal challenges via Republican influenced efforts toward nitpicking at grammatical errors and mistakes in wording that they exploited in vain:

As I had been shown via helpful links provided by an upstanding conservative member of this forum, the Health Care industry in effect wrote the ACA, they helped pass the ACA and they are satisfied that their profit margins are unaffected by the administration of the legislation that they, as ghost writers, practically authored in toto.

This lends credence toward the notion how trapped the Repub Congress critters were between their pandering to their base and their fear of usurping the success their health care industry benefactors had toward influencing the legislation of the ACA in their favor.

The Repubs up on the hill must have experienced an epidemic of sphincter cramps as they leaned really hard on the conservative members of the USSC to get them out of that hilarious jam they got themselves into.

And all this to "appear" to their wing nut base as the stalwart conservative legislators who stood up to and stepped forward against that black muslim loving commie no-birth-cert fascist socialist in the White House.

God bless America for the comical antics coming out of the Repub controlled House and Senate.
 
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This is a win win for everyone including repubs. The republicans now don't have to face an electorate who would have lost their subsidies and now they can continue with their, "repeal and replace" line that works so well on tools like cabri. All while having any actual plan to actually replace this so called horrible law.

Donald trumps campaign promises really encapsulates the current Republican Party and their ideas (nothing but empty rhetoric in an expensive suit), appealing to the pure bread morons of this country (he's polling at. #2 btw).
 
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cabri said:
The conservatives currently have no way of getting the law modified.

It was rammed down their throats.
the middle class is getting economically affected as a result of a "feel good" concept.
Until there is a reversal in the political control nothing will be able to be done.

People voting for their wallets instead of promises.
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You mean with control of the legislature, they can't pass anything? Even small tweaks? Give me a break.
 
cabri said:
The conservatives currently have no way of getting the law modified.

It was rammed down their throats.
the middle class is getting economically affected as a result of a "feel good" concept.
Until there is a reversal in the political control nothing will be able to be done.

People voting for their wallets instead of promises.
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The ACA has dramatically reduced the uninsured rate in the US and has done so for dramatically less than was originally estimated, all while the rate of health care inflation has stayed low. It's been a success by any measure I can think of.

Unless the Republicans win the presidency, the house, and a filibuster proof majority in the senate the ACA is here for good. Maybe someday soon Republicans will come to accept reality and start submitting proposals to improve the ACA instead of simply frothing and railing against it.
 
eskimospy said:
The ACA has dramatically reduced the uninsured rate in the US and has done so for dramatically less than was originally estimated, all while the rate of health care inflation has stayed low. It's been a success by any measure I can think of.

Unless the Republicans win the presidency, the house, and a filibuster proof majority in the senate the ACA is here for good. Maybe someday soon Republicans will come to accept reality and start submitting proposals to improve the ACA instead of simply frothing and railing against it.
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Why would they bother? Doing nothing but offering hollow talking points is working for them quite well! Their constituents are more than happy to vote for them, they love being duped!
 
eskimospy said:
The ACA has dramatically reduced the uninsured rate in the US and has done so for dramatically less than was originally estimated, all while the rate of health care inflation has stayed low. It's been a success by any measure I can think of.
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Actually, the mandate has been a success...the uninsured rate under ACA significantly climbed until the mandate kicked in last year.

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Delicious.
Justice Antonin Scalia strongly objected to Thursday's Supreme Court decision upholding the Affordable Care Act, so it was amusing to see Chief Justice John Roberts use Scalia's own dissent in the last major Obamacare case against him.

It was buried in a footnote and amounted to a small dart lobbed Scalia's way, especially when compared to Scalia's blistering dissent that ripped Roberts' legal reasoning.

To defend making the subsidies available to consumers everywhere, Roberts cited a line the dissent to the 2012 decision in favor of Obamacare, in which Scalia said, "Without the federal subsidies . . . the exchanges would not operate as Congress intended and may not operate at all."
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werepossum said:
It had to be heard, as the fairly clear intent of the law is in direct contradiction to the wording of the law.
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You pretty much hit it on the head. In normal times this issue would have been taken care of in a technical correction-Congress passes another statute correcting grammatical mistakes, etc. I'm sure their staff does a tremendous effort but it's very hard to prevent this sort of error in bills that are hundreds of pages long, with lots of last minute revisions. For decades Congress has corrected this sort of problem this way.

These days, however, we have a totally disfunctional Congress where everything is partisan. No way to pass even such a technical correction bill.

For those of you in software, think of the state we'd be in if you could never issue bug fixes. That's the government we collectively wanted and what we are now stuck with.

I do agree that this is the best thing that could have happened to the GOP. They can continue to bluster and the public won't see the damage they could have caused.
 
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