SCOTUS blocks Obama climate change rules

[glenn1]

While everyone else was focusing on Bernie vs. Hillary or Trump, the SCOTUS just put a shiv into another Obama plan and did the poor and middle class a huge solid. Now voters can hear for themselves how Bernie and other progressives make some more ridiculous and contradictory claims like how raising the cost of energy will reduce costs to the consumers of that energy. At least Obama was honest enough to admit "under my plan, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" but I can almost guarantee no such honesty will be forthcoming from Hillary or Bernie.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/supreme-court-obama-epa-climate-change/index.html

 

[dank69]

Isn't this a stay just until they get around to ruling on the case?

 

[TheGardener]

Electric rates in my state went up 100% in Nov 2014. But you were given an opportunity to have them only go up 60 to 70%, if you chose a "green" provider. So ya, Obama is honest in that respect.

I have electric heat. Now instead of keeping my place at 60F, I reluctantly set it at 50 to 55F. I raise my bedroom to 58F for sleeping. Very comfy. It's like having Hugo Chavez as my president.

 

[dullard]

Isn't this a stay just until they get around to ruling on the case?

Yes, it is a temporary stay. There hasn't even been a hearing on it yet, so no permanent ruling will be expected for years.

 

[Jhhnn]

Isn't this a stay just until they get around to ruling on the case?

Correct. It'll take years to get there.

 

[Jhhnn]

Electric rates in my state went up 100% in Nov 2014. But you were given an opportunity to have them only go up 60 to 70%, if you chose a "green" provider. So ya, Obama is honest in that respect.

I have electric heat. Now instead of keeping my place at 60F, I reluctantly set it at 50 to 55F. I raise my bedroom to 58F for sleeping. Very comfy. It's like having Hugo Chavez as my president.

Linky-linky to the rate increase, please.

 

[ivwshane]

The impact on this stay is pretty small. Now if they rule against EPA, then we have some serious issues.

 

[TheGardener]

Linky-linky to the rate increase, please.

Here is a link for your enjoyment.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/20/mass-o20.html

 

[fskimospy]

Here is a link for your enjoyment.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/20/mass-o20.html

What Obama policy do you attribute that rise to, specifically?

 

[JSt0rm]

good. I lust for the death of the human race.

 

[dullard]

Here is a link for your enjoyment.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/20/mass-o20.html

Or a link from a place that isn't the "world socialist web site":
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/09/25/national-grid-projects-percent-increase-for-winter-electricity-rates/MBl81NGxTljzr56PZCD7QK/story.html

a persistent shortage of natural gas for generating plants drives power prices to record levels...an announcement this week from one of the state’s two dominant utilities, National Grid. It said its rates will increase by a whopping 37 percent over last winter’s

37% isn't 100% and the natural gas shortage is long gone.

 

[TheGardener]

Or a link from a place that isn't the "world socialist web site":
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/09/25/national-grid-projects-percent-increase-for-winter-electricity-rates/MBl81NGxTljzr56PZCD7QK/story.html

37% isn't 100% and the natural gas shortage is long gone.

I don't really need to issue any citation. I get monthly bills. My link has the real numbers.

Mass lacks a major gas pipeline. I don't have natural gas, but our rates are higher than other states for gas as well. Not benefiting from fracking, like everyone else.

What does this have to do with Obama you ask? I'll tell you. While the cost of energy was beginning to plunge, the rates for electricity in many states began to astronomically rise in 2014. It is clear that this was directed from Washington, as a coordinated effort. People had no incentive to move to "green" energy. While a lot people say they buy into climate change, they don't want to put their money where their mouth is. So by artificially making conventionally sourced energy more expensive than a contrived lower green rate, people moved to alternative energy companies in mass. Of course the alternative energy companies are there to just collect money, and plow some back to Washington pols. The energy still comes from the local electric company, who get a kick back and rate increases in the delivery rate.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't really need to issue any citation. I get monthly bills. My link has the real numbers.

Mass lacks a major gas pipeline. I don't have natural gas, but our rates are higher than other states for gas as well. Not benefiting from fracking, like everyone else.

What does this have to do with Obama you ask? I'll tell you. While the cost of energy was beginning to plunge, the rates for electricity in many states began to astronomically rise in 2014. It is clear that this was directed from Washington, as a coordinated effort. People had no incentive to move to "green" energy. While a lot people say they buy into climate change, they don't want to put their money where their mouth is. So by artificially making conventionally sourced energy more expensive than a contrived lower green rate, people moved to alternative energy companies in mass. Of course the alternative energy companies are there to just collect money, and plow some back to Washington pols. The energy still comes from the local electric company, who get a kick back and rate increases in the delivery rate.

Can anyone spot anything in his post that was factual? Maybe someone can point him to all the subsidies alternative energy has been receiving that also subsidized consumers who switch to alternative energy sources.

Then again maybe that's just in liberal California.

 

[mrjminer]

Obama the weasel trying to sneak through even more harmful regulations to destroy the country in his final year. What a surprise.

At least the Supreme Court made the right decision for once.

 

[Jhhnn]

Can anyone spot anything in his post that was factual? Maybe someone can point him to all the subsidies alternative energy has been receiving that also subsidized consumers who switch to alternative energy sources.

Then again maybe that's just in liberal California.

Mass does lack a major gas pipeline.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't really need to issue any citation. I get monthly bills. My link has the real numbers.

Mass lacks a major gas pipeline. I don't have natural gas, but our rates are higher than other states for gas as well. Not benefiting from fracking, like everyone else.

What does this have to do with Obama you ask? I'll tell you. While the cost of energy was beginning to plunge, the rates for electricity in many states began to astronomically rise in 2014. It is clear that this was directed from Washington, as a coordinated effort. People had no incentive to move to "green" energy. While a lot people say they buy into climate change, they don't want to put their money where their mouth is. So by artificially making conventionally sourced energy more expensive than a contrived lower green rate, people moved to alternative energy companies in mass. Of course the alternative energy companies are there to just collect money, and plow some back to Washington pols. The energy still comes from the local electric company, who get a kick back and rate increases in the delivery rate.

So basically your answer is 'nothing'.

 

[Sonikku]

Since Obama has been president, the cost of rent, utilities and food has gone up pretty much every year . Coincidence? I think not!

 

[JSt0rm]

The human species has failed. We evolved wrong and we only see whats right in front of our faces and we only care about our small tribe. Our god spot is also over developed. Hopefully some species on a far off planet will do better then we have.

 

[K1052]

I like how the coal industry thinks this is the second coming. They're already totally fucked by other regulations (soot/heavy metals/SO) and increased focus on clean energy. The vast majority of all new generation brought online will continue to to be ng and renewables. Increasing renewable portfolio standards and a move away from coal on the demand end have all but sealed the slow decline and eventual demise of the industry.

 

[werepossum]

Electric rates in my state went up 100% in Nov 2014. But you were given an opportunity to have them only go up 60 to 70%, if you chose a "green" provider. So ya, Obama is honest in that respect.

I have electric heat. Now instead of keeping my place at 60F, I reluctantly set it at 50 to 55F. I raise my bedroom to 58F for sleeping. Very comfy. It's like having Hugo Chavez as my president.

Damn, dude, that sucks ass. Why on Earth would any (above ground) home up north have electric heat? Were the dollar-burning stoves out of stock when your home was built?

Still, while Obama is conducting a war on coal, we in Tennessee haven't seen anything like that kind of increase, and we have (well, had) lots of coal generation. I'd suggest that instead of Obama, you blame your Democrat governor and state legislature, as well as Christie and even Romney. Also, coal is nasty, probably the most environmentally destructive fuel we use. Sucks that governments aren't better at managing the switch, but we really needed to get off coal.

Or a link from a place that isn't the "world socialist web site":
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/09/25/national-grid-projects-percent-increase-for-winter-electricity-rates/MBl81NGxTljzr56PZCD7QK/story.html

37% isn't 100% and the natural gas shortage is long gone.

8.2 cents to 16.3 cents is pretty much doubled.

I don't really need to issue any citation. I get monthly bills. My link has the real numbers.

Mass lacks a major gas pipeline. I don't have natural gas, but our rates are higher than other states for gas as well. Not benefiting from fracking, like everyone else.

What does this have to do with Obama you ask? I'll tell you. While the cost of energy was beginning to plunge, the rates for electricity in many states began to astronomically rise in 2014. It is clear that this was directed from Washington, as a coordinated effort. People had no incentive to move to "green" energy. While a lot people say they buy into climate change, they don't want to put their money where their mouth is. So by artificially making conventionally sourced energy more expensive than a contrived lower green rate, people moved to alternative energy companies in mass. Of course the alternative energy companies are there to just collect money, and plow some back to Washington pols. The energy still comes from the local electric company, who get a kick back and rate increases in the delivery rate.

This is true, but again, most of the nation is not being hit anywhere near that hard. For most of us, shutting down older coal generation (now mostly used for demand generation) and building new gas-fired generation pays off surprisingly quickly. Pols and energy execs in your neck of the woods just got caught stepping on their dicks, with no functioning pipelines even though natural gas has been trending for decades.

 

[MongGrel]

Maybe he has been watching Nova programs, got me.

http://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Seas/d...d=1455154772&sr=1-1&keywords=nova+lethal+seas

All that CO2 is doing way more than just the atmosphere.

Would be the Lethal Seas one, but NM.

 

[K1052]

Still, while Obama is conducting a war on coal, we in Tennessee haven't seen anything like that kind of increase, and we have (well, had) lots of coal generation. I'd suggest that instead of Obama, you blame your Democrat governor and state legislature, as well as Christie and even Romney. Also, coal is nasty, probably the most environmentally destructive fuel we use. Sucks that governments aren't better at managing the switch, but we really needed to get off coal.

NG pipeline proposals in the northeast have met with major local opposition, particularly in Massachusetts.

 

[theeedude]

So they are legislating from the bench.

 

[werepossum]

NG pipeline proposals in the northeast have met with major local opposition, particularly in Massachusetts.

Agreed, but a leader's job is not only to lead, but to show why people should follow. Unless you're positing that people in the northeast are abnormally stupid, sounds like their leaders failed spectacularly.

So they are legislating from the bench.

AKA "Doing stuff I don't like".

In this case they are merely granting an injunction until they hear the case. There may be legitimate Constitutional issues they see, or there may not be; sometimes an injunction simply recognizes that damage that will occur if something new is begin and then must be dismantled for failing the Constitutional smell test.

 

[Double Trouble]

The four liberal justices on the court -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elana Kagan -- dissented from the order.

Who could have seen that one coming?

I'm glad they put a stay on this and hopefully eventually they'll get rid of it permanently, or at least until the next dumb idea is implemented.