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Scotland votes no to independence

I honestly would have been surprised if it happened, but it sounded like it might have been close there a bit.

I listen to the BBC every morning at 9 on my MP3.
 
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Poor Aussie.

Actually I looked it up out of curousity, didn't know Mel was born in the states and was raised in NY till 12.
 
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Its kinda like Russia and Ukraine.
Sure are a lot of pro Russia folks in Ukraine.
Same with Scotland and the United Kingdom.

And if Texas would of tried the same, as they threatened after Ob1 was elected, I'm sure the results would be similar to Scotland's.
A lot of loonies in Texas, sure, but not quite loony enough to actually secede.
 
sportage said:
Its kinda like Russia and Ukraine. Sure are a lot of pro Russia folks in Ukraine. Same with Scotland and the United Kingdom. And if Texas would of tried the same, as they threatened after Ob1 was elected, I'm sure the results would be similar to Scotland's. A lot of loonies in Texas, sure, but not quite loony enough to actually secede.
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These are in no way any accurate comparisons.
 
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A woman unfolds a banner reading "Now it's time!" as a protester waves flags from Navarra, Catalonia and Scotland during a demonstration in support of a Catalan vote on independence from Spain, in the northern Spanish Basque city of Bilbao on Sept. 9, 2014, ahead of the Diada. This year the Diada opens the final straight in the dash to hold a vote on whether Catalonia should break away from Spain -- a move the Spanish government has branded unconstitutional.
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Win or lose today, the Scottish independence movement has already had an impact on much of Europe—especially regions with organized separatist movements, like Catalonia and Flanders.

These 8 places in Europe could be the next to try for independence

Scotland’s Independence Vote Shows a Global Crisis of the Elites
It is a crisis of the elites. Scotland’s push for independence is driven by a conviction — one not ungrounded in reality — that the British ruling class has blundered through the last couple of decades. The same discontent applies to varying degrees in the United States and, especially, the eurozone.

The rise of Catalan would-be secessionists in Spain, the rise of parties of the far right in European countries as diverse as Greece and Sweden, and the Tea Party in the United States are all rooted in a sense that, having been granted vast control over the levers of power, the political elite across the advanced world have made a mess of things.

Power is not a right; it is a responsibility. The choice that the Scots are making on Thursday is about whether the men and women who rule Britain messed things up so badly that they would rather go it alone. And so the results will ripple through world capitals from Athens to Washington: People don’t think the way things are going is good enough, and voters are getting angry enough to want to do something about it.
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I think that people's perceptions are changing.

Given the rise of the Internet and related technologies, people can see that their elite politicians continue to get richer while economic disparity continues to grow among the people that they govern.

You are welcome to your opinion.

My opinion is that betting on the status quo to remain over the long term might not be a good bet...

Uno
 
It's saddening that most of the voting Scots voted No. I wish Virginia could secede (without the u.s.g. ever threatening force) and then become a true independent republic. the u.s.g. is against the laws of nature because it is an involuntary union.

i mean, it's ridiculous how much innovation and liberty the u.s.g. steals away especially given that it invades, creates, and invites its own enemies as well as the fact that it creates its own depressions. So basically, "recessions" only occur when red tape is cut enough. GDP should be a lot lower because GDP includes waste/malinvestment which is caused by the u.s.g.

To further illustrate: lobbying by corporations for govt is included in GDP, as are lawyers who defend corporate imaginary property. even when non-aggressive individuals have to defend themselves against the govt, then GDP is raised. The masses don't really want malinvestment, they want more original output. romney was probably planning on balancing the budget or reducing the debt as percentage of GDP mostly by adding and highly enforcing more red tape (including increasing the min wage) and aiming for revenue neutrality with anti-tax cuts.

in other words, when the GOP talks about "job creation" they want more regulation and maybe forced hiring to create middle men so the former can get the revenue they want and provide order with 95% or more employment. "smart regulations" was how the clinton admin reduced govt spending as percentage of GDP. and given how much the 2nd bush admin regulated and how aggressive it could be at collecting revenue (the 2002 steel tariff gave the U.S.G. way too much revenue as did the housing bubble), at least the federal budget should've balanced every year. Harding and especially Coolidge had "smart regulations" and the Fed, so that was how they balanced the budget. JQ Adams and Monroe had higher tariffs, no wars, and monroe was simply a Conservative. Jackson and Jefferson were the only two presidents to have policies that were pro-independence across the board (low revenue, successful attempts to override central banking, no regs) Perhaps it was the introverted thinking of Jefferson and Jackson that allowed fiscal independence (rather than pure fiscal conservatism/fiscal liberalism).

anyway, "New Democrat" economics sucked because they raised the top marginal rate mostly as a smoke screen to trick voters into thinking that the Clinton Admin represented the average citizen (but in reality, the Clinton Admin was not Jacksonian and there hadn't be a true Jacksonian president since Jackson), they increased revenue at first (fortunately, clinton reversed the revenue increases when it was advantageous to his friends and when he saw happiness and restoration of employment shortly after he took office; although in terms of private savings the revenue cuts were reversed by the tech bubble) they increased gun control to the point that the most modernly liberal LBJ couldn't have done if his life depended on it, all the going after innocent brown in the middle east that lead to 9/11, the tech bubble through central banking, then legislation like the family and medical leave act forced payment and more profit for law firms.

like Bush and I, Obama is just outright not good at spending or saving anyone's money as we have poor on the spot senses even though Obama has imagined what it could mean. obama and bush always caused a lot of "shit to trickle down" partly due to them being unable to precisely observe the outside world with their senses but it was only possible due to the State. i am sure that bush, myself, and especially obama are often the last to hear or smell themselves fart (introverted sensing, and especially introverted sensing repressed by an NP or a demented SJ results in the grossest shit). i don't even know if i have parasites.

unokitty said:
think that people's perceptions are changing. Given the rise of the Internet and related technologies, people can see that their elite politicians continue to get richer while economic disparity continues to grow among the people that they govern. You are welcome to your opinion. My opinion is that betting on the status quo to remain over the long term might not be a good bet... Uno
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TY unokitty🙂
 
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sportage said:
Its kinda like Russia and Ukraine.
Sure are a lot of pro Russia folks in Ukraine.
Same with Scotland and the United Kingdom.

And if Texas would of tried the same, as they threatened after Ob1 was elected, I'm sure the results would be similar to Scotland's.
A lot of loonies in Texas, sure, but not quite loony enough to actually secede.
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Not even close. Really? The same as Russia and Ukraine?
 
Still a win by Scotland as now Cameron and their party will have to stop ignoring them. If they keep up what they have been doing the next vote may not be the same.

So its a win win for Scotland no matter the vote. Cameron even came and had to kiss azz.
 
Jimzz said:
Still a win by Scotland as now Cameron and their party will have to stop ignoring them. If they keep up what they have been doing the next vote may not be the same.

So its a win win for Scotland no matter the vote. Cameron even came and had to kiss azz.
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This is actually probably the best circumstance for Scotland. Independence would probably have been a pretty catastrophic loss for them in practice as they were large net recipients of funds from England.

This way they keep the gravy train AND get more autonomy. Seems like they have the best of both worlds now.
 
lamedude said:
You shouldn't be. Pierce threatened to come back if this happened.
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OMG!

NTMBK said:
Ahaha, you guys are welcome to him.
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But we've already proven we don't want him. He's a twat, and we already have Bieber. One Commonwealth twat at a time, please. 😀

unokitty said:
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Win or lose today, the Scottish independence movement has already had an impact on much of Europe—especially regions with organized separatist movements, like Catalonia and Flanders.

These 8 places in Europe could be the next to try for independence

Scotland’s Independence Vote Shows a Global Crisis of the Elites


I think that people's perceptions are changing.

Given the rise of the Internet and related technologies, people can see that their elite politicians continue to get richer while economic disparity continues to grow among the people that they govern.

You are welcome to your opinion.

My opinion is that betting on the status quo to remain over the long term might not be a good bet...

Uno
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I'm betting Catalonia gets nasty, with the Catalans voting for independence and the Spanish government refusing to grant it.
 
eskimospy said:
This is actually probably the best circumstance for Scotland. Independence would probably have been a pretty catastrophic loss for them in practice as they were large net recipients of funds from England.

This way they keep the gravy train AND get more autonomy. Seems like they have the best of both worlds now.
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Yep.
 
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