Scotland to release Pan-Am bomber

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Here's a secret: he didn't do it.

do you have inside information that the courts of law do not?

Considering that the Lybian government took responsibility for the bombing and has stated for 20 years that he's been a political prisoner without guilt, I'd have to agree with ZeGermans. I was reading the CNN article earlier this week talking about it. Interesting that the Lybian government is like "uh, hey, we did it not this guy" and the rest of the world is still zeroing in on him. Also interesting that we didn't WTFPWN Lybia at all over it.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Here's a secret: he didn't do it.

do you have inside information that the courts of law do not?

Considering that the Lybian government took responsibility for the bombing and has stated for 20 years that he's been a political prisoner without guilt, I'd have to agree with ZeGermans. I was reading the CNN article earlier this week talking about it. Interesting that the Lybian government is like "uh, hey, we did it not this guy" and the rest of the world is still zeroing in on him. Also interesting that we didn't WTFPWN Lybia at all over it.

In an August 2008 BBC TV interview, Saif said that Libya had admitted responsibility (but not admitted "guilt") for the Lockerbie bombing simply to get trade sanctions removed. He further admitted that Libya was being "hypocritical" and was "playing on words", but Libya had no other choice on the matter. According to Saif, a letter admitting "responsibility" was the only way to end the economic sanctions imposed on Libya. When asked about the compensation that Libya was paying to the victims' families, he again repeated that Libya was doing so because it had no other choice. He went on to describe the families of the Lockerbie victims as "trading with the blood of their sons and daughters" and being very "greedy": "They were asking for more money and more money and more money".

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Here's a secret: he didn't do it.

do you have inside information that the courts of law do not?

Considering that the Lybian government took responsibility for the bombing and has stated for 20 years that he's been a political prisoner without guilt, I'd have to agree with ZeGermans. I was reading the CNN article earlier this week talking about it. Interesting that the Lybian government is like "uh, hey, we did it not this guy" and the rest of the world is still zeroing in on him. Also interesting that we didn't WTFPWN Lybia at all over it.

In an August 2008 BBC TV interview, Saif said that Libya had admitted responsibility (but not admitted "guilt") for the Lockerbie bombing simply to get trade sanctions removed. He further admitted that Libya was being "hypocritical" and was "playing on words", but Libya had no other choice on the matter. According to Saif, a letter admitting "responsibility" was the only way to end the economic sanctions imposed on Libya. When asked about the compensation that Libya was paying to the victims' families, he again repeated that Libya was doing so because it had no other choice. He went on to describe the families of the Lockerbie victims as "trading with the blood of their sons and daughters" and being very "greedy": "They were asking for more money and more money and more money".

Does it really matter so much who is actually guilty so long as you feel like you're getting revenge? I mean, couldn't we have thought of this guy as a sacrifice for the mental health of the people? You know we used to do it with virgins or our first born, offer up their bleeding heart to God so he can have a nice drink. Then we'd all go up on the altar and dip our hands in the blood and dance all night. Man that was a lot of fun not to different than taking a shit. It gets the poisons out and the price is cheap, just some worthless asshole's life, right?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Now that its been found out that he was basically traded for big oil profits and possibly Doctors were paid off to make the '3 month to live' claim. Can we get an apology from those who were insulting toward the United States? I guess the decision to release him was not such a compasionate decision. It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already. Shame on you Britain and Scottland. Don't EVER try to tell us WE are the greedy ones. Its clear YOU have even less moral standards than you accuse us of.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

Thank you for defining US policy in the Middle East for the last century.

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

There was, and he hasn't been.

 

[dmcowen674]

I'm curious

With the current glut oil at 25 year inventory highs why did they need to trade this guy for oil?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

Thank you for defining US policy in the Middle East for the last century.

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

There was, and he hasn't been.

Got a macro or something you could cut and paste which would prove such allegations? But seriously - The Brits and Scots have no right to complain about anything we do in the middle east. The French have long been proven to be hypocrits.. I guess the whole idea that Europe takes the moral high ground on these issues is just bullshit. They sell out like everyone else. They just do it in an even more morally bankrupt fashion.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

Thank you for defining US policy in the Middle East for the last century.

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

There was, and he hasn't been.

Got a macro or something you could cut and paste which would prove such allegations? But seriously - The Brits and Scots have no right to complain about anything we do in the middle east. The French have long been proven to be hypocrits.. I guess the whole idea that Europe takes the moral high ground on these issues is just bullshit. They sell out like everyone else. They just do it in an even more morally bankrupt fashion.

So why are you complaining? it's not like the US has never done anything like this in the past when it furthers their agenda?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

Thank you for defining US policy in the Middle East for the last century.

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

There was, and he hasn't been.

Got a macro or something you could cut and paste which would prove such allegations? But seriously - The Brits and Scots have no right to complain about anything we do in the middle east. The French have long been proven to be hypocrits.. I guess the whole idea that Europe takes the moral high ground on these issues is just bullshit. They sell out like everyone else. They just do it in an even more morally bankrupt fashion.

So why are you complaining? it's not like the US has never done anything like this in the past when it furthers their agenda?

Because people were insulting the U.S. in this thread for not being as forward thinking and compasionate as the Euros. The Euros have also taken the stance of looking down on the U.S. actions in the Middle East as somehow morally wrong. Lead by example then. At least the U.S. position has been to KILL terrorists, and not send them home for a hero's welcome.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

Thank you for defining US policy in the Middle East for the last century.

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

There was, and he hasn't been.

Got a macro or something you could cut and paste which would prove such allegations? But seriously - The Brits and Scots have no right to complain about anything we do in the middle east. The French have long been proven to be hypocrits.. I guess the whole idea that Europe takes the moral high ground on these issues is just bullshit. They sell out like everyone else. They just do it in an even more morally bankrupt fashion.

So why are you complaining? it's not like the US has never done anything like this in the past when it furthers their agenda?

Because people were insulting the U.S. in this thread for not being as forward thinking and compasionate as the Euros. The Euros have also taken the stance of looking down on the U.S. actions in the Middle East as somehow morally wrong. Lead by example then. At least the U.S. position has been to KILL terrorists, and not send them home for a hero's welcome.

:roll:
Apart from when you were having fundraisers for the IRA.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
It was all about cheap oil and corporate greed. Talk about blood for oil - This is the definition of that. Screw the hundreds of dead families, lets trade a terrorist for cheap gas.

Thank you for defining US policy in the Middle East for the last century.

If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

There was, and he hasn't been.

Got a macro or something you could cut and paste which would prove such allegations? But seriously - The Brits and Scots have no right to complain about anything we do in the middle east. The French have long been proven to be hypocrits.. I guess the whole idea that Europe takes the moral high ground on these issues is just bullshit. They sell out like everyone else. They just do it in an even more morally bankrupt fashion.

So why are you complaining? it's not like the US has never done anything like this in the past when it furthers their agenda?

Because people were insulting the U.S. in this thread for not being as forward thinking and compasionate as the Euros. The Euros have also taken the stance of looking down on the U.S. actions in the Middle East as somehow morally wrong. Lead by example then. At least the U.S. position has been to KILL terrorists, and not send them home for a hero's welcome.

:roll:
Apart from when you were having fundraisers for the IRA.

I'm pretty sure I remember Reagan himself cutting a check.. It was one of those big ones, like they use for Publishers Clearing House.. :roll:

 

[fornax]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Does that shot, or any shot, excuse Libya's terrorist attack on Pan Am 103?

Except that only mindless idiots like you don't know already that Libya had nothing to do with the PanAm bombing, that it was a rigged trial where the main evidence were the 3-year old memories of a shopkeeper, that several witnesses lied outright (to which there are sworn affidavits), and that the principal reason Scotland and the UK released him was that there was overwhelming evidence that the appeal would have cleared al-Megrahi. The Scotland appeals court had indicated that there were so many holes in the investigation and so much evidence that an innocent was framed, that it fully deserved a new trial.

If anything, the US and the UK should be grateful that al-Megrahi, by agreeing to drop the appeal upon his release, has saved them a huge public humiliation (as if that was possible after Iraq, but whatever).

 

[fornax]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
If there was 1/10th of the amount of evidence that GWB did something like this in Iraq he would have strung up and hung already.

Ha-ha-ha, you should write for Comedy Central, hold on, I'm chocking, ha-ha-ha, no you're killing me, ha-ha-ha, please stop, no seriously, do you do children's parties?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Cool, with ZeGermans vacationing

He's perma banned for an additional offense.

 

[rudder]

Obama feigned outrage... YOU DON'T SAY!!!!

By the time 3 years have rolled by... we will be contructing a 100 foot tall bronze statue of george bush in the Washington mall.... Obama will have made him look that good.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: rudder
Obama feigned outrage... YOU DON'T SAY!!!!

By the time 3 years have rolled by... we will be contructing a 100 foot tall bronze statue of george bush in the Washington mall.... Obama will have made him look that good.

I was thinking 300 foot.. but.. we're on the same page here. Obama is a sub-human POS.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: rudder
Obama feigned outrage... YOU DON'T SAY!!!!

By the time 3 years have rolled by... we will be contructing a 100 foot tall bronze statue of george bush in the Washington mall.... Obama will have made him look that good.

I was thinking 300 foot.. but.. we're on the same page here. Obama is a sub-human POS.

lol , he better start rapping babies then....

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Genx87
This really is ridiculous when you look at the crime he committed. Why do people feel the need to be compasionate to scum like this? Let him rot in jail.

The reason is simple. Some people place their humanity above their desire to also be the scum they criticize.

The only essential function performed by law enforcement is to prevent people who have no humanity from being able to prey upon others and to try to humanize those who must be separated from the rest of us during their period of separation.

But because the same illness that infects the criminal also infects many victims and huge swaths of the general population, all the hatred that drives the criminal to sin against the rest of us drives us when it comes to getting even.

We hate ourselves and the sickest among us hate ourselves so much that we destroy every child we can lay our hands on. In this way we insure a steady supply on monsters to pray upon society. Then when one of these monsters who is a reflection of us hurts us we happily allow the monster in us that created the monster in him or her out of it's cage to seek retribution.

Those of us who successfully repress the criminal hate within us so as to avoid the law, unleash that monster when it is legal. That is why we legalize revenge.

Poor humanity filled with self hate crawls along its cave floor in search of the light, in search of the love that was lost in childhood. Poor poor humanity filled with the pain of the circle of hate. Poor poor humanity will not follow Jesus up on the cross to consciously suffer that pain and be reborn. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do. Send them a message Father, that the filthy animals they were made to feel themselves to be is not who they really are. Help them Father to see that Hell is the place where they have hidden their hearts.

So Moonie,

Is trading this guy for oil contracts for BP "placing their humanity above their desire to also be the scum they criticize"? You seem to suggest releasing him was the humane thing to do. It seems to me that the reason he was released has nothing to do with being humane and everything to do with $$$$ for big business in Britain.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Well, look at it this way. The British public saved themselves hundreds of thousands of pounds in incarceration and expensive terminally ill health care costs. It's now coming out of Gadaffi's pocket.

And they made billions in oil profits for BP!!!! WIN!!! Why exactly should the Brits care if the U.S. goes to Iraq for oil then? They did the same thing with Libya - They just had to release a terrorist to do it. Whats the lives of 300 or so innocent lives compared to cheap oil for the British people? It wasn't THEIR families who died for the most part.. may as well get the cheap oil while you can!

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: f95toli

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

This scumbag was found guilty of participating in the death of 270 people, including 180 of your fellow countrymen. That fact alone should anger everyone, regardless of other acts of murder, or alleged murder, that may or may not have occurred throughout history.

What he was found guilty of is irrelevant. He was serving a life sentence in Scotland. Due process in Scotland is that if someone has terminal cancer (or something similar) that person is let out of prison a few months before he/she dies. They might make an exception if there is a risk to the public (i.e there is a chance that the person might re-offend) but that is the only time they would NOT let someone out; as far as I know it is extremely rare for someone to actually die while in prison.

Note that there have been over 20 similar cases since the devolution a few years ago so this case is in no way unique; it would have been MORE suprising if they had NOT let him out since the Scottish government were essentially just following their own rules.

Does 'due process' in Scotland also make sure that big corporate oil companies get nice contracts as part of the release deal? Do the victims of this guy get any of the money or does BP get to keep it all?