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scientology tried in France

coreyb

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8066743.stm

"The Church of Scientology is set to go on trial in France, accused of organised fraud.

The case centres on a complaint by a woman who says she was pressured into paying large sums of money after being offered a free personality test.

A lawyer for the church says it will fight the charges and deny that any mental manipulation took place.

France regards the organisation as a sect, and correspondents say it could be banned if it loses the case.

It will be the first time the church has appeared as a defendant in a fraud case in France. Previous court cases have involved individual Scientologists.

Books and medication

The woman at the centre of the case says she was approached by church members in Paris and offered a free personality test, but she ended up spending all her savings on books, medicines and the electronic metre that is part of the paraphernalia of Scientology.

Her lawyers will argue that the church systematically seeks to make money by means of mental pressure and the use of scientifically dubious "cures".

A lawyer for the church, Patrick Maisonneuve, told AFP news agency: "We will contest every charge and prove that there was no mental manipulation."

Scientologists called as witnesses by the defence are expected to argue that they espouse a belief system like any other.

Scientology was founded in the United States in the 1950s by science-fiction writer L Ron Hubbard.

In Germany last year, it was declared unconstitutional by government minister.

However, a Spanish court ruled that the Church of Scientology of Spain should be re-entered into the country's register of officially recognised religions. "

 
Originally posted by: coreyb
The woman at the centre of the case says she was approached by church members in Paris and offered a free personality test, but she ended up spending all her savings on books, medicines and the electronic metre that is part of the paraphernalia of Scientology.

How do you go from a "free personality test" to xxx amount of money on books and other stuff.

She wasn't right in the head to begin with i suspect.

 
The Church of Scientology is simply providing a service to those who need it. There is nothing wrong with this. Scientology is like any other religion. Everyone knows this.
 
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The Church of Scientology is simply providing a service to those who need it..

yea... proving they are idiots and shouldn't have control of their own money.

 
Good.

It doesn't mention whether this is criminal or civil. If civil, I hope the plaintiff has lots of financial backing. Scientology certainly does.
 
Heh, the selling of paraphernalia isn't what one would do to convert somebody to a religion and/or cause, but to scam. So, either they are frauds, or they are simply doing it wrong.
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: coreyb
The woman at the centre of the case says she was approached by church members in Paris and offered a free personality test, but she ended up spending all her savings on books, medicines and the electronic metre that is part of the paraphernalia of Scientology.

How do you go from a "free personality test" to xxx amount of money on books and other stuff.

She wasn't right in the head to begin with i suspect.

this is true of all religious people
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Fraud is what churches do.
Materially or psychically?

I guess it varies from church to church. CoS isn't the first church to con people out of their money. Not that I oppose this law suit, I'm just saying...
Scientology is one those lol churches. It was supposedly started on a bet between hubbard and a buddy. It's still stunning and disillusioning that so many seemingly smart actors (and others) have bought into it. I guess it's another one of those "whatever floats your boat" examples.

I don't believe all churches are completely fraudulent. There are some smaller ones (individual churches, not sects) that have decent people who help each other and others. Like any organized group of people, they're not all corrupt. Some of their reasons are questionable, but some of the end results are magnificent.
 
I wouldn't group scientology in with other religions. Isn't the leader of it a giant green spider or something like that?
 
Originally posted by: coreyb
I wouldn't group scientology in with other religions. Isn't the leader of it a giant green spider or something like that?
They are tax-exempt like other religions. I know, it's disgusting. No religion that endorses political candidates and campaigns for them should be tax-exempt. Xenu is gallactically significant in their dogma.
 
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Fraud is what churches do.
Materially or psychically?

I guess it varies from church to church. CoS isn't the first church to con people out of their money. Not that I oppose this law suit, I'm just saying...
Scientology is one those lol churches. It was supposedly started on a bet between hubbard and a buddy. It's still stunning and disillusioning that so many seemingly smart actors (and others) have bought into it. I guess it's another one of those "whatever floats your boat" examples.

I don't believe all churches are completely fraudulent. There are some smaller ones (individual churches, not sects) that have decent people who help each other and others. Like any organized group of people, they're not all corrupt. Some of their reasons are questionable, but some of the end results are magnificent.

Smart actors? Now that is a delusion.
 
Originally posted by: ScottyB
...
Smart actors? Now that is a delusion.
:laugh:
Seriously, you can't tell me that tom cruise isn't smart. By smart, I refer to the intellectual capacity a person is born with and not necessarily what they've done with it.
 
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Seriously, you can't tell me that tom cruise isn't smart.


I can. I haven't seen his IQ scores, nor have i seen John Travolta's ... or anyone elses..


If you have... please, share them.



 
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The Church of Scientology is simply providing a service to those who need it. There is nothing wrong with this. Scientology is like any other religion. Everyone knows this.

HAhaha love the sarcasm. Nicely done!
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Seriously, you can't tell me that tom cruise isn't smart.


I can. I haven't seen his IQ scores, nor have i seen John Travolta's ... or anyone elses..


If you have... please, share them.
I'm restricted by the nda, sorry.

But really, you can't tell if someone is smart or not by seeing them in several different settings? Would you say that bush II was smart? Would you say that bush I was not smart?

How can say that cruise is not smart?
 
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Seriously, you can't tell me that tom cruise isn't smart.


I can. I haven't seen his IQ scores, nor have i seen John Travolta's ... or anyone elses..


If you have... please, share them.
I'm restricted by the nda, sorry.

But really, you can't tell if someone is smart or not by seeing them in several different settings? Would you say that bush II was smart? Would you say that bush I was not smart?

How can say that cruise is not smart?

I give you permission to say it. Because I agree with you. He's a dumbass.
 
Originally posted by: seemingly random
But really, you can't tell if someone is smart or not by seeing them in several different settings? Would you say that bush II was smart? Would you say that bush I was not smart?
How can say that cruise is not smart?

There are people who are "book" smart, and "life" stupid

would i say that bush jr was smart? to be in politics, probably, with the education, enough so to be book smart... would i say he's "life" smart? no.. made alot of stupid decisions while president.

would i say tom cruise is "book smart" no idea...
would i say he's "life smart" .. no. based on some of his actions.



would i say john travolta is "book smart" .. probably... he's a pilot and trained on commercial airlines...

would i say he's "life smart" .. no.. he's done some pretty messed up shit and was lucky pulp fiction reignighted his career..

 
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