QFT. Denying it doesn't make it go away, but there is a mountain of data to support it. Suggestion? Walk outside. Are you able to go anywhere without hearing a car, or where there isn't a definite mark of humanity? That's data right there. You can't keep polluting without having an effect anymore than you can drink or do drugs without destroying your body. Common sense tells you that - you don't have to be a scientist to have intelligence.
QFT. Denying it doesn't make it go away, but there is a mountain of data to support it. Suggestion? Walk outside. Are you able to go anywhere without hearing a car, or where there isn't a definite mark of humanity? That's data right there. You can't keep polluting without having an effect anymore than you can drink or do drugs without destroying your body. Common sense tells you that - you don't have to be a scientist to have intelligence.
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Sir...YOU ARE A BIGOT...just in case you didn't know.
bigot
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
So let me get this straight: You have all these questions about GW and yet you're convinced that it either isn't real or isn't being caused by man's influence? How do you reconcile the two?
brandonbull
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What we need to start doing is freezing people when they die so that our children's children, if they ever get born, can defrost us an put us on trial depending on which side of events we were on in life and which side was a disaster. But then who knows. Maybe they will come back in time.
JEDIYoda
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http://discovermagazine.com/2005/sep/discover-dialogue
You don?t believe global warming is causing climate change?
G: No. If it is, it is causing such a small part that it is negligible. I?m not disputing that there has been global warming. There was a lot of global warming in the 1930s and ?40s, and then there was a slight global cooling from the middle ?40s to the early ?70s. And there has been warming since the middle ?70s, especially in the last 10 years. But this is natural, due to ocean circulation changes and other factors. It is not human induced.
That must be a controversial position among hurricane researchers.
G: Nearly all of my colleagues who have been around 40 or 50 years are skeptical as hell about this whole global-warming thing. But no one asks us. If you don?t know anything about how the atmosphere functions, you will of course say, ?Look, greenhouse gases are going up, the globe is warming, they must be related.? Well, just because there are two associations, changing with the same sign, doesn?t mean that one is causing the other.
With last year?s hurricane season so active, and this year?s looking like it will be, won?t people say it?s evidence of global warming?
G: The Atlantic has had more of these storms in the least 10 years or so, but in other ocean basins, activity is slightly down. Why would that be so if this is climate change? The Atlantic is a special basin? The number of major storms in the Atlantic also went way down from the middle 1960s to the middle ?90s, when greenhouse gases were going up.
Why is there scientific support for the idea?
G: So many people have a vested interest in this global-warming thing?all these big labs and research and stuff. The idea is to frighten the public, to get money to study it more. Now that the cold war is over, we have to generate a common enemy to support science, and what better common enemy for the globe than greenhouse gases?
Are your funding problems due in part to your views?
G: I can?t be sure, but I think that?s a lot of the reason. I have been around 50 years, so my views on this are well known. I had NOAA money for 30 some years, and then when the Clinton administration came in and Gore started directing some of the environmental stuff, I was cut off. I couldn?t get any NOAA money. They turned down 13 straight proposals from me.
You don?t believe global warming is causing climate change?
G: No. If it is, it is causing such a small part that it is negligible. I?m not disputing that there has been global warming. There was a lot of global warming in the 1930s and ?40s, and then there was a slight global cooling from the middle ?40s to the early ?70s. And there has been warming since the middle ?70s, especially in the last 10 years. But this is natural, due to ocean circulation changes and other factors. It is not human induced.
That must be a controversial position among hurricane researchers.
G: Nearly all of my colleagues who have been around 40 or 50 years are skeptical as hell about this whole global-warming thing. But no one asks us. If you don?t know anything about how the atmosphere functions, you will of course say, ?Look, greenhouse gases are going up, the globe is warming, they must be related.? Well, just because there are two associations, changing with the same sign, doesn?t mean that one is causing the other.
With last year?s hurricane season so active, and this year?s looking like it will be, won?t people say it?s evidence of global warming?
G: The Atlantic has had more of these storms in the least 10 years or so, but in other ocean basins, activity is slightly down. Why would that be so if this is climate change? The Atlantic is a special basin? The number of major storms in the Atlantic also went way down from the middle 1960s to the middle ?90s, when greenhouse gases were going up.
Why is there scientific support for the idea?
G: So many people have a vested interest in this global-warming thing?all these big labs and research and stuff. The idea is to frighten the public, to get money to study it more. Now that the cold war is over, we have to generate a common enemy to support science, and what better common enemy for the globe than greenhouse gases?
Are your funding problems due in part to your views?
G: I can?t be sure, but I think that?s a lot of the reason. I have been around 50 years, so my views on this are well known. I had NOAA money for 30 some years, and then when the Clinton administration came in and Gore started directing some of the environmental stuff, I was cut off. I couldn?t get any NOAA money. They turned down 13 straight proposals from me.
Gray is just a old man that is mad that no one will listen to everything he says so he just says it louder.
You can read it here how he is NOT a expert on global warming yet he thinks he is.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/gray-on-agw/
Oh and like most papers that are against global warming like Grays, it has not even been peer reviewed.
Although he is an accomplished meteorologist, he has zero peer review papers on climatology.
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We're still going to see news stories similar to this ten years from now.
"Oh noes, the Earth is warming!"
Fantastic. Call me when it can actually affect my own personal life. Since I will have long died by then, though, how about if I just don't worry about and keep driving my inefficient fuel burning car every day?
"Oh noes, the Earth is warming!"
Fantastic. Call me when it can actually affect my own personal life. Since I will have long died by then, though, how about if I just don't worry about and keep driving my inefficient fuel burning car every day?
All the the hallmarks of a religion and none of the traits of a science.
1. Claiming ALL
2. Using empirical
3. Questioning how anyone could deny it?
4. Mocking those who do for reasons unrelated to their skepticism
5. Making sure to really mock those who could think otherwise.
In other words, their science is failing them so they are reduced to intimidation, lieing, and mocking those who oppose. Oh yeah, the Church of Global Warming is having a hard time.
Gotta laugh.
brandonbull
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CO2 is released due to the planet warming. CO2 is not the cause but one of the effects and water vapor has a much greater effect as a greenhouse gas than CO2.
We need to look for the source of global warming and not waste time and resources on one of the by-products.
Okay how about a chemistry lesson.
How did water vapor and carbon dioxide get released in larger than normal amounts into the atmosphere? CO + O3 = CO2 + H2O
That is just one example - catalytic converters (which contain platinum) were designed to help reduce the emission of CO in automobile exhaust by forcing the change to occur before releasing into the air.
Now how many other examples are poorly understood by the majority of the public? How many people are incapable of putting two and two together from just that example? Can you put two and two together by realizing that you can hardly go anywhere without seeing the effect of humanity on the planet? The human population on this planet is much higher and thus our existence on this planet has a greater impact.
Unless you've seen buffaloes, squirrels and birds covering everything in concrete, drilling for chemicals and driving cars lately; or lions, tigers and bears decimating forests. It is a fairly simple concept - change the ecology of a system and it has environmental ramifications.
What that means is that we need to take a greater interest in mitigating that impact.
How did water vapor and carbon dioxide get released in larger than normal amounts into the atmosphere? CO + O3 = CO2 + H2O
That is just one example - catalytic converters (which contain platinum) were designed to help reduce the emission of CO in automobile exhaust by forcing the change to occur before releasing into the air.
Now how many other examples are poorly understood by the majority of the public? How many people are incapable of putting two and two together from just that example? Can you put two and two together by realizing that you can hardly go anywhere without seeing the effect of humanity on the planet? The human population on this planet is much higher and thus our existence on this planet has a greater impact.
Unless you've seen buffaloes, squirrels and birds covering everything in concrete, drilling for chemicals and driving cars lately; or lions, tigers and bears decimating forests. It is a fairly simple concept - change the ecology of a system and it has environmental ramifications.
What that means is that we need to take a greater interest in mitigating that impact.
brandonbull
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You are very wrong. Global Warming is from an unknown cause. Period. Ice core samples prove that.
You dont have 2500 scientists either, look at the roster, the vast majority is politicians and members of political groups.
But of course, you knew that.
On top of that, since when is "consensus" science.
There was a time when the consensus was the world was flat...
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