Scientists' stark warning on reality of warmer world

[ericlp]

Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

The final product, the result of collaboration among 2,500 scientists from 120 nations as well as diplomatic negotiators, also angered many involved in the process. Several scientists at the report adoption objected to editing of the final draft by government negotiators, though in the end they agreed to compromises. Some scientists, angered by government involvement, vowed never to take part in the process again.

Sharon Hays, associate director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said several scientists representing the Bush administration participated in the report. She said negotiators from many nations worked hard to make sure the summary document "accurately reflects the underlying science."

"We went into this wanting to make sure that we had a report that reflected the current state of the science and we worked hard, alongside many other nations, to get that," Hays said.

The Bush administration does dedicate research dollars to develop cleaner fuel technology but President Bush has said that capping greenhouse gas emissions ? as Democrats have called for ? would choke the economy.

Can we impeach idiot bush now? It's only a mater of time before this retard gets his ass in a jam and sued to death.

 

[k1pp3r]

Well damn, i'm still trying to recover from global cooling that ended 10 years ago, we are all doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[teclado]

*WARNING* The following may present information contrary to the staus quo. View at your own risk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467&hl=en

It's long, hour and sixteen minutes, but it's very interesting.

 

[XZeroII]

I bet that I could find 2,500 'scientists' who will agree the Di-Hydrogen Monoxide should be banned because our drinking water is highly contaminated by it. Just because a bunch of people get together and sign a piece of paper doesn't mean that it is now 100% undeniably true.

I also love how they use the term "world's scientists'. Haha. That doesn't even mean anything! It just sounds important soas to dupe ignorant people into thinking that they know what they are talking about. In fact, it's absolutely hilarious that you even decided to highlight that part.

And you also highlighted the fact that they are using empirical data. Again, that doesn't mean a thing. What do you think all those models use as their foundation to make predictions? EMPIRICAL DATA! The data is worthless without some sort of interpretation, which...and this is the good part...is what the whole global warming debate is all about! So basically, they are now saying that they have data, and that is all the proof they need. Let's just skip over interpreting the data and trying to figure out what it means. We have the data, case closed.

What a joke.

 

[Aisengard]

Unfortunately for your point, XZeroII, there have yet to be peer-reviewed papers that disprove the existence of it, and mounds upon mounds upon mounds of data supporting it.

Going against the grain doesn't make you cool unless you can actually back up your arguments, which none of you can even begin to be qualified to do.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: teclado
*WARNING* The following may present information contrary to the staus quo. View at your own risk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467&hl=en

It's long, hour and sixteen minutes, but it's very interesting.

*WARNING* this video is pure crap.

 

[Butterbean]

Actually it's quite good and is having a huge impact. A lot of the people who were being confused are waking up to the manipulations. They are reading that Mars is getting warmer, glaciers are thickening at the top, polar bear deaths were mis-reported etc. They know the UN pronouncements were made by bureaucrats and that scientists have sued to get their name dropped from reports that misuse their studies.

Lots of scientists are breaking free from what William Buckely calls the "global warming inquisition". Even the NY Times is calling for the hystericals to tune it down. Having other hysterical groups urging the UN to take action on killer asteroids hasn't helped the GW profile. When the co-founder of Greenpeace says GW is politically motivated it's hard for the GW psychotics to take. I have seen three threads about that documentary in other forums and nobody can answer against what is in it.

If global warming is good for anything its that it's exposing junk science for what it is and is waking people up to just how much of it is out there and being used as a trojan horse. Nobody can long look into the anthropomorphic GW studies without discovering what a sham it is. It's like the global cooling scare of the 1970's.

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: teclado
*WARNING* The following may present information contrary to the staus quo. View at your own risk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467&hl=en

It's long, hour and sixteen minutes, but it's very interesting.

*WARNING* this video is pure crap.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

The final product, the result of collaboration among 2,500 scientists from 120 nations as well as diplomatic negotiators, also angered many involved in the process. Several scientists at the report adoption objected to editing of the final draft by government negotiators, though in the end they agreed to compromises. Some scientists, angered by government involvement, vowed never to take part in the process again.

Sharon Hays, associate director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said several scientists representing the Bush administration participated in the report. She said negotiators from many nations worked hard to make sure the summary document "accurately reflects the underlying science."

"We went into this wanting to make sure that we had a report that reflected the current state of the science and we worked hard, alongside many other nations, to get that," Hays said.

The Bush administration does dedicate research dollars to develop cleaner fuel technology but President Bush has said that capping greenhouse gas emissions ? as Democrats have called for ? would choke the economy.

Can we impeach idiot bush now? It's only a mater of time before this retard gets his ass in a jam and sued to death.

Wait what? Impeach bush for global warming? lol thats a good one

Edit: to the OP...I was very interested in reading this until you threw in the impeachment comment. Jesus H Christ you give him alot of credit lol...I didnt even click the link because of that. Anyone who thinks we should impeach a prez for global warming cannot be stable. Who knows where the link will take me! I agree there IS warming as most people do, but I disagree mankind has contributributed (read this next word) SIGNIFICANTLY to it, nor do I believe we can actually do anything about it. All based on scientific data too.

 

[Isla]

We've actually got a perfect storm brewing.

With climate change in effect, crops are suffering. With pesticides and GMOs, bees are declining (France already dealt with this problem... and they banned neonicotinoids, which many bee keepers feel are bad for bees) and a lot of people don't realize how important bees are.

Add to that a society that has no idea where food comes from or how it is processed, and just pulls up to the drive-through, we are in deep ******.

All it would take is a bad year or two, and we'd be in a scene from Solient Green.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Isla
We've actually got a perfect storm brewing.

With climate change in effect, crops are suffering. With pesticides and GMOs, bees are declining (France already dealt with this problem... and they banned neonicotinoids, which many bee keepers feel are bad for bees) and a lot of people don't realize how important bees are.

Add to that a society that has no idea where food comes from or how it is processed, and just pulls up to the drive-through, we are in deep ******.

All it would take is a bad year or two, and we'd be in a scene from Solient Green.

I agree. Due to warming our time is about up for a nice population control disaster. Alot of data shows that. Theres a great series on discovery called planet earth that's eye opening.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

The final product, the result of collaboration among 2,500 scientists from 120 nations as well as diplomatic negotiators, also angered many involved in the process. Several scientists at the report adoption objected to editing of the final draft by government negotiators, though in the end they agreed to compromises. Some scientists, angered by government involvement, vowed never to take part in the process again.

Sharon Hays, associate director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said several scientists representing the Bush administration participated in the report. She said negotiators from many nations worked hard to make sure the summary document "accurately reflects the underlying science."

"We went into this wanting to make sure that we had a report that reflected the current state of the science and we worked hard, alongside many other nations, to get that," Hays said.

The Bush administration does dedicate research dollars to develop cleaner fuel technology but President Bush has said that capping greenhouse gas emissions ? as Democrats have called for ? would choke the economy.

Can we impeach idiot bush now? It's only a mater of time before this retard gets his ass in a jam and sued to death.

Wait what? Impeach bush for global warming? lol thats a good one

Edit: to the OP...I was very interested in reading this until you threw in the impeachment comment. Jesus H Christ you give him alot of credit lol...I didnt even click the link because of that. Anyone who thinks we should impeach a prez for global warming cannot be stable. Who knows where the link will take me! I agree there IS warming as most people do, but I disagree mankind has contributributed (read this next word) SIGNIFICANTLY to it, nor do I believe we can actually do anything about it. All based on scientific data too.

Yawn, so can we impeach him now? He really needs to go! hahaha How about lets impeach him for his spending habit? 9 Trillion in debt? Oh, here is a good one. Why not impeach him for going into Iraq and a stupid search for WMD that were never there to begin with. Hmmm, well... Oh... Why not impeach him for ignoring the worlds climate? There are lot's of things we could impeach this asshole for but... Well... name one? How about taking your rights away? Isn't the constitution just a god damn piece of paper? We don't need it and I can do anything I want, I am the prez!!! We can uncap all the green house gasses and cut down all the trees. Bush talks to god, and god said it was a good idea....

And don't click on the link, see if I care...

 

[daniel49]

the debate is far from settled but you seem to have more important personal issues you need to deal with.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

The final product, the result of collaboration among 2,500 scientists from 120 nations as well as diplomatic negotiators, also angered many involved in the process. Several scientists at the report adoption objected to editing of the final draft by government negotiators, though in the end they agreed to compromises. Some scientists, angered by government involvement, vowed never to take part in the process again.

Sharon Hays, associate director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said several scientists representing the Bush administration participated in the report. She said negotiators from many nations worked hard to make sure the summary document "accurately reflects the underlying science."

"We went into this wanting to make sure that we had a report that reflected the current state of the science and we worked hard, alongside many other nations, to get that," Hays said.

The Bush administration does dedicate research dollars to develop cleaner fuel technology but President Bush has said that capping greenhouse gas emissions ? as Democrats have called for ? would choke the economy.

Can we impeach idiot bush now? It's only a mater of time before this retard gets his ass in a jam and sued to death.

Wait what? Impeach bush for global warming? lol thats a good one

Edit: to the OP...I was very interested in reading this until you threw in the impeachment comment. Jesus H Christ you give him alot of credit lol...I didnt even click the link because of that. Anyone who thinks we should impeach a prez for global warming cannot be stable. Who knows where the link will take me! I agree there IS warming as most people do, but I disagree mankind has contributributed (read this next word) SIGNIFICANTLY to it, nor do I believe we can actually do anything about it. All based on scientific data too.

Yawn, so can we impeach him now? He really needs to go! hahaha How about lets impeach him for his spending habit? 9 Trillion in debt? Oh, here is a good one. Why not impeach him for going into Iraq and a stupid search for WMD that were never there to begin with. Hmmm, well... Oh... Why not impeach him for ignoring the worlds climate? There are lot's of things we could impeach this asshole for but... Well... name one? How about taking your rights away? Isn't the constitution just a god damn piece of paper? We don't need it and I can do anything I want, I am the prez!!! We can uncap all the green house gasses and cut down all the trees. Bush talks to god, and god said it was a good idea....

And don't click on the link, see if I care...

I would be the first one in line to impeach...if only there was an impeachable crime. But this has been covered ad nauseum. How about we leave politics out of at least one thread mmmmkay?

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

The final product, the result of collaboration among 2,500 scientists from 120 nations as well as diplomatic negotiators, also angered many involved in the process. Several scientists at the report adoption objected to editing of the final draft by government negotiators, though in the end they agreed to compromises. Some scientists, angered by government involvement, vowed never to take part in the process again.

Sharon Hays, associate director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said several scientists representing the Bush administration participated in the report. She said negotiators from many nations worked hard to make sure the summary document "accurately reflects the underlying science."

"We went into this wanting to make sure that we had a report that reflected the current state of the science and we worked hard, alongside many other nations, to get that," Hays said.

The Bush administration does dedicate research dollars to develop cleaner fuel technology but President Bush has said that capping greenhouse gas emissions ? as Democrats have called for ? would choke the economy.

Can we impeach idiot bush now? It's only a mater of time before this retard gets his ass in a jam and sued to death.

Say it with me now:

"The sky is not falling......"

"I am not a victim......"

Now get out there and be somebody!

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: teclado
*WARNING* The following may present information contrary to the staus quo. View at your own risk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467&hl=en

It's long, hour and sixteen minutes, but it's very interesting.

And if you believe anything in it that shows how gullible, let alone stupid, you are.

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece

AND

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar...2007/03/swindled-carl-wunsch-responds/

 

[wetech]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

Why the random attack on Christians in a gloabl warming thread?

 

[blackangst1]

Just more fuel for the crowd like me who thinks mad-mad emissions are a MAJOR effect in warming: (maybe we forgot to invite the Martians to Kyoto agreement? Or maybe the martians are responsible?)

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-5.html

A few highlights:

Mars is getting hotter. Measurements of the brightness of the planet's surface show that the thermometer has ratcheted up some 0.65 °C over a few decades.

Lori Fenton at the Carl Sagan Center, Mountain View, California, and colleagues looked at maps of Mars's 'albedo', a measure of how much light reflects off a surface. By comparing a map from 1976-78 with one from 1999-2000, they found "some pretty dramatic changes", says Fenton. In particular, the southern highlands region of Mars had darkened significantly.

Using these results, one might come to the conclusion that in 500 or so years the martian polar ice-caps will be completely gone, notes Phil Christensen, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University, Tempe. But, he says: "I don't think that's likely. They're looking at a piece of the cycle, other processes could turn this around to a place where the ice-caps start growing again."

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: wetech

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

Why the random attack on Christians in a gloabl warming thread?

Well first of all because he is more ignorant and stupid than the Christians that he is attempting to chastize.

This is made obvious by the fact that he is mocking Christians by calling them "little" as if they are ignorant children, all the while he doesn't even know how to spell the word CHRISTIAN.

Furthermore, I would watch Penn & Teller's B.S. episode on envrionmental activists and you will see why he goes out on a limb after people who have nothing to do with his "cause".

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Just more fuel for the crowd like me who thinks mad-mad emissions are a MAJOR effect in warming: (maybe we forgot to invite the Martians to Kyoto agreement? Or maybe the martians are responsible?)

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-5.html

A few highlights:

Mars is getting hotter. Measurements of the brightness of the planet's surface show that the thermometer has ratcheted up some 0.65 °C over a few decades.

Lori Fenton at the Carl Sagan Center, Mountain View, California, and colleagues looked at maps of Mars's 'albedo', a measure of how much light reflects off a surface. By comparing a map from 1976-78 with one from 1999-2000, they found "some pretty dramatic changes", says Fenton. In particular, the southern highlands region of Mars had darkened significantly.

Using these results, one might come to the conclusion that in 500 or so years the martian polar ice-caps will be completely gone, notes Phil Christensen, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University, Tempe. But, he says: "I don't think that's likely. They're looking at a piece of the cycle, other processes could turn this around to a place where the ice-caps start growing again."

But hey, lucky for us it is CO2 that drives global warming and the Sun has nothing to do with climate change.

I mean the same Sun that determines the temperature on Mars determines the temperature on the Earth right?

I'm so thankful that we can totally overlook the fact that Mars is getting hotter when it comes to the arguement on why the Earth is getting hotter too.


I know, its CO2 emissions from the Mars Rover project that we sent over. Damn robot SUV's, or something.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I bet that I could find 2,500 'scientists' who will agree the Di-Hydrogen Monoxide should be banned because our drinking water is highly contaminated by it. Just because a bunch of people get together and sign a piece of paper doesn't mean that it is now 100% undeniably true.

I also love how they use the term "world's scientists'. Haha. That doesn't even mean anything! It just sounds important soas to dupe ignorant people into thinking that they know what they are talking about. In fact, it's absolutely hilarious that you even decided to highlight that part.

And you also highlighted the fact that they are using empirical data. Again, that doesn't mean a thing. What do you think all those models use as their foundation to make predictions? EMPIRICAL DATA! The data is worthless without some sort of interpretation, which...and this is the good part...is what the whole global warming debate is all about! So basically, they are now saying that they have data, and that is all the proof they need. Let's just skip over interpreting the data and trying to figure out what it means. We have the data, case closed.

What a joke.

What I think is even funnier is that even the people that know global warming/ice ages have come and gone throughout the history of time say that we could never possibly have another one because God would never allow our Internets to get all messed up like that. Some people are just so thick.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Just more fuel for the crowd like me who thinks mad-mad emissions are a MAJOR effect in warming: (maybe we forgot to invite the Martians to Kyoto agreement? Or maybe the martians are responsible?)

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-5.html

A few highlights:

Mars is getting hotter. Measurements of the brightness of the planet's surface show that the thermometer has ratcheted up some 0.65 °C over a few decades.

Lori Fenton at the Carl Sagan Center, Mountain View, California, and colleagues looked at maps of Mars's 'albedo', a measure of how much light reflects off a surface. By comparing a map from 1976-78 with one from 1999-2000, they found "some pretty dramatic changes", says Fenton. In particular, the southern highlands region of Mars had darkened significantly.

Using these results, one might come to the conclusion that in 500 or so years the martian polar ice-caps will be completely gone, notes Phil Christensen, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University, Tempe. But, he says: "I don't think that's likely. They're looking at a piece of the cycle, other processes could turn this around to a place where the ice-caps start growing again."

But hey, lucky for us it is CO2 that drives global warming and the Sun has nothing to do with climate change.

I mean the same Sun that determines the temperature on Mars determines the temperature on the Earth right?

I'm so thankful that we can totally overlook the fact that Mars is getting hotter when it comes to the arguement on why the Earth is getting hotter too.


I know, its CO2 emissions from the Mars Rover project that we sent over. Damn robot SUV's, or something.

wow. Speechless. Guess it went right over your head. Ah well. Move along then.

 

[teclado]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: teclado
*WARNING* The following may present information contrary to the staus quo. View at your own risk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467&hl=en

It's long, hour and sixteen minutes, but it's very interesting.

And if you believe anything in it that shows how gullible, let alone stupid, you are.

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece

AND

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar...2007/03/swindled-carl-wunsch-responds/

I don't see how your sources are any more credible than mine. It's scientists vs. The Independent and Carl Wunsch. Either side has plenty of reasons to lie. This is starting to look like a "who do you trust more" issue.

Oh, and yes, I am very gullible and stupid because I disagree with your assessment of the credibility of one source over another. My apologies, great omnipotent and liberal-biased news trusting one.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: wetech

Originally posted by: ericlp
Text

The world's scientists yesterday issued a grim forecast for life on earth when they published their latest assessment of the impacts of climate change.

Including scientists from the USA....

For the first time, we are no longer arm-waving with models. This is empirical data.


So still in denial? Or are you gonna read the bible and pray harder this Sunday? God isn't gonna take care of you... Figure it out we can't ignore this were F'en up the planet. Wake up little christains...


From Fox news on the story. Damn, I'd sure hate to be a christain looking for news on this... It's soooo watered down.

Why the random attack on Christians in a gloabl warming thread?

I think they teach that in Troll 101. :laugh:

 

[Lemon law]

And silly me---I thought this thread would be about the title---namely if we have global warming---why to we have extremely cold weather in early April in the USA?

And that one is fairly easy to answer---given we have an atmosphere and a climate engine powered largely by solar energy. Without a climate engine our equatorial regions would be much hotter than they are now and our polar regions much colder. And with global warming---we are just seeing the random effects of stirring the pot with more vigor.

Deny the science all you want---its not anywhere near a perfect predictor yet---but expect more extremes--more violent storms---and with some luck we can cause Ocean currents to completely change---lurching us into something totally unpredictable and irreversible.---go ahead--say try it you will like it---but what happens if no one likes it?

Can the critics beat the predictive powers of pessimistic scientists over reaching their data and prove nothing will change for the worse?---or are they impossible over optimists with no real data other than blind faith to support their position.-----------we are gambling either way.

 

[DealMonkey]

To the fine gents who reject GW as a man-made condition, I have one question: Where are your 2,500 scientists packing empirical data that can be peer-reviewed?

Oh yeah, you don't have any. :laugh:

What you DO have are wacky videos and the occasional oil company shill willing to spew whatever line of BS you've already dreamed up as the cause of GW.

Good luck with that.