Scientists Developing Obesity Vaccine

Amused

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Scientists Get Closer Toward Obesity Vaccine
By Amy Norton
Reuters
NEW YORK (Aug. 1) - In what could become a new weapon in the battle of the bulge, scientists on Monday reported initial success with an experimental vaccine for obesity.

The researchers found that when they gave rats a vaccine against a "hunger hormone" called ghrelin, the animals were able to live the dream of eating what they wanted without packing on body fat.

The findings, published online by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggest a whole new approach to weight loss.

It's a long way, however, from success in rats to similar results in people.

More research in animals and more data on safety will be needed before an obesity vaccine is widely tested in humans, according to Dr. Kim Janda of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California.

One of the next steps will be to see whether ghrelin vaccination helps already obese rodents shed pounds, Janda told Reuters Health. If a vaccine were to become a reality for humans, it would be aimed at those obese individuals who continually "yo-yo" through diet and exercise, he noted.

Secreted primarily by the stomach, ghrelin is one of the hormones that help regulate appetite, metabolism and weight. Ghrelin levels rise before a meal, putting the brakes on calorie burning and fat breakdown, then decline after a person eats. The hormone promotes weight gain and fat storage.

Janda and his colleagues aimed to decrease the hormone's activity with an anti-ghrelin vaccine. To do that, they created three ghrelin-recognizing antigens -- proteins that elicit an immune reaction.

When Janda's team administered their antigens to rats, they found that two of the antigens were able to bind to the active form of ghrelin, which then triggered the animals' immune systems to produce antibodies against the hormone.

"We're training the immune system to recognize ghrelin," Janda said.

This immune reaction apparently had effects on the animals' metabolism. Despite having free access to food and eating as much as their unvaccinated mates, the immunized rats gained less weight and boasted leaner, less flabby physiques.

That the weight effects came without diet changes was a surprise, Janda said. It means that the ghrelin vaccine acted on metabolism, and not appetite, he explained.

"They were eating the same, but still losing weight -- which is pretty cool."


Still, the human body's control of hunger, metabolism and weight is very complex, Janda noted. A highly integrated system involving the brain, nerves and numerous hormones strives to keep body weight stable, especially when calorie intake drops -- a fact that "wasn't a problem" back in the hunter-gatherer days of scarce food supplies, Janda pointed out.

Whether a ghrelin vaccine can safely and effectively alter this system remains to be seen.
 

eakers

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very intertesting! although, doesn't sound healthy to me..

do you have a source?
 

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Originally posted by: eits
oh, jesus christ....

Because of the 80+% failure rate in fighting obesity, one of two things must change: The environment people prone to obesity live in, or their bodies.

We cannot very well change their environment without taking away everyone's freedom. Therefore addressing the biological causes of obesity is the answer.

You can rant all day long about self control and responsibility. But the fact remains that 80+% of people who try to lose weight fail long term and end up fatter than before. You aren't going to change that by belittling them or bitching at them any more than we already have.

Finally, research like this only demonstrates that there are clear genetic and biological differences between people prone to obesity, and those who are not.

It is my opinion that addressing those biological differences will be far more effective than addressing behavior.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: eakers
very intertesting! although, doesn't sound healthy to me..

do you have a source?

Reuters news service is named as the source of the article.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eits
oh, jesus christ....

Because of the 80+% failure rate in fighting obesity, one of two things must change: The environment people prone to obesity live in, or their bodies.

We cannot very well change their environment without taking away everyone's freedom. Therefore addressing the biological causes of obesity is the answer.

You can rant all day long about self control and responsibility. But the fact remains that 80+% try to lose weight and 80+% fail long term. You aren't going to change that by belittling them or bitching at them any more than we already have.

i agree with you... i'm just upset that it's come to this. it makes me feel wary about the future.
 

eakers

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eakers
very intertesting! although, doesn't sound healthy to me..

do you have a source?

Reuters news service is named as the source of the article.

yeah i saw that, I will go to their website and look for the link later i suppose.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: eakers
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eakers
very intertesting! although, doesn't sound healthy to me..

do you have a source?

Reuters news service is named as the source of the article.

yeah i saw that, I will go to their website and look for the link later i suppose.

Use google. Type in key words and hit "news."

Like so:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=hun...hormone&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wn
 

xtknight

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Meh...people just need to work out and eat healthier. At least if they work out they'll look more toned. If they've got a genetics issue then that's another thing.

Another problem is people get bored and start eating when they're not hungry. If we kept busy, we wouldn't have so much trouble. Even me, who was obese years ago, could curb the eating after being busy working on a program or something. I've since lost weight and stayed at the borderline normal/barely overweight range. Exercise also makes a world of difference in how you look. After having done the treadmill and lots of working out I look a lot better despite the fact that I still weigh as much as I did before the exercise.

Snacks are.. bad. If you're really hungry, you'll eat anything. Just try it. Of course I still have to indulge once in a while (Saturday is my usual day). That's what works best for me: healthy during the weekdays, and eat what I want on Saturday.
 

Gibsons

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Autoimmune disorders aren't to be trifled with. Will be interesting to see if this ever makes it to human trials. I wonder what the kidneys of those rats looked like.
 

Fenixgoon

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and in other news, personal responsibility just got thrown out the window again....
 

zendari

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There's probably significant side effects to this....if youd rather take a vaccine than stop eating BigMacs and don't want to hop on the treadmill, well, that's your choice.

Some people are genetically ugly...we use plastic surgery on this. Why not let people use similar tactics to cure fatness?
 

DaShen

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Man, Amused. Why are you so fixated on Obesity? Are you sure those pictures you posted are of you? Because the only people I know that fixate on making excuse for obesity are obese people.

Personal Responsibility FTW
 

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Man, Amused. Why are you so fixated on Obesity? Are you sure those pictures you posted are of you? Because the only people I know that fixate on making excuse for obesity are obese people.

Personal Responsibility FTW

Dude, anything that stops our society's decline into a bunch of ostentatious roman patrician fatties is a good thing (TM), even if it misses the root cause of the problem.

Besides, this is America, home of the 'Band-aid' for every problem. Don't pretend it's only fat people who are looking for a quick fix in these parts, even if that is a problem in of itself.
 

T9D

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Maybe they should just make a anti-lazy vaccine. Or an anti-stupidity vaccine. ....or an anti-wow.I.have.to.shove.everything.I.see.into.my.mouth vaccine.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Man, Amused. Why are you so fixated on Obesity? Are you sure those pictures you posted are of you? Because the only people I know that fixate on making excuse for obesity are obese people.

Personal Responsibility FTW

Ah yes.

If you argue in favor of gay rights, you're a queer.

If you argue against the war on drugs, you're a druggie.

If you argue against smoking bans, you're a puffer.

If you argue against the bans on prostitution, you're a perv...

And now, if I discuss obesity, I'm a fatass.

Yes, those pictures are of me, DaShen. You're welcome to come find out for yourself any day. I'm in the Springfield, IL Gold's Gym every Mon, Tue, Thur and Fri around 7 am.

The better than 80% failure rate among overweight people shows that this goes way beyond self control and personal responsibility.

And, as a weight lifter, I am keenly aware of the vast differences in people's biology and genetics. The biological propensity toward obesity is closely related to what makes some people "hard gainers" and others easy gainers.

What I find most amazing on this forum is the inability, or unwillingness of so many to recognize this simple fact.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DaShen
Man, Amused. Why are you so fixated on Obesity? Are you sure those pictures you posted are of you? Because the only people I know that fixate on making excuse for obesity are obese people.

Personal Responsibility FTW

Ah yes.

If you argue in favor of gay rights, you're a queer.

If you argue against the war on drugs, you're a druggie.

If you argue against smoking bans, you're a puffer.

If you argue against the bans on prostitution, you're a perv...

And now, if I discuss obesity, I'm a fatass.

Yes, those pictures are of me, DaShen. You're welcome to come find out for yourself any day. I'm in the Springfield, IL Gold's Gym every Mon, Tue, Thur and Fri around 7 am.

The better than 80% failure rate among overweight people shows that this goes way beyond self control and personal responsibility.

And, as a weight lifter, I am keenly aware of the vast differences in people's biology and genetics. The biological propensity toward obesity is closely related to what makes some people "hard gainers" and others easy gainers.

What I find most amazing on this forum is the inability, or unwillingness of so many to recognize this simple fact.

don't worry dude, these are the same idiots who say depressed people should just cheer up instead of taking a pill, even though their serotonin levels may be wack, it's still all in their head.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Legend
Vaccine?

I think they mean fat loss supplement injection.

Actually, if you read the article a one time treatment turns an "easy gainer" into a "hard gainer" by increasing their metabolism long term.

This immune reaction apparently had effects on the animals' metabolism. Despite having free access to food and eating as much as their unvaccinated mates, the immunized rats gained less weight and boasted leaner, less flabby physiques.

That the weight effects came without diet changes was a surprise, Janda said. It means that the ghrelin vaccine acted on metabolism, and not appetite, he explained.

"They were eating the same, but still losing weight -- which is pretty cool."
 

JulesMaximus

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Yeah, that sounds healthy...:roll:

I have a better solution: Get off your fat ass and get some exercise!!!
 

Kadarin

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Very nice. Regardless of the method used, or the guys talking about "personal responsibility", a world with fewer obese people can only be a good thing.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Yeah, that sounds healthy...:roll:

I have a better solution: Get off your fat ass and get some exercise!!!

The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting different results.

Telling people to "get off their ass and exercise" has completely failed for over a decade now. Diets have failed for over two decades.

What makes you think it will work because you see it as some great revelation?
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Legend
Vaccine?

I think they mean fat loss supplement injection.

Actually, if you read the article a one time treatment turns an "easy gainer" into a "hard gainer" by increasing their metabolism long term.

This immune reaction apparently had effects on the animals' metabolism. Despite having free access to food and eating as much as their unvaccinated mates, the immunized rats gained less weight and boasted leaner, less flabby physiques.

That the weight effects came without diet changes was a surprise, Janda said. It means that the ghrelin vaccine acted on metabolism, and not appetite, he explained.

"They were eating the same, but still losing weight -- which is pretty cool."

What I meant is that vaccine usually implies a virus or pathogen. Implying that obesity is a disease. This is potentially a good thing for the few % that have genetical dispositions. But they better not make this mandatory for all children or some ****** like that. My kid isn't getting this. Who knows what kind of side effects there are.
 

xtknight

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What about eating unhealthy stuff? You're still going to get all the cholesterol and trans fat even if you don't get the extra flabs. This is just as bad a health risk as obesity itself.

I'm fully aware that a large number of people have trouble due to genetic issues, but the majority, or 80%? I just can't believe that. For the people who try, exercise, and eat healthy, I have lots of sympathy for them. It must be tough having a bad metabolism or genes.