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destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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We just need a flask that will hold 10^21 liters or so. Plus the billion years.

Let's take this full circle and just start looking for more planets in the "Goldilocks zone" of the closest stars.
In our experiments, we might even fashion ourselves into Gods. :D
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
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Let's take this full circle and just start looking for more planets in the "Goldilocks zone" of the closest stars.
In our experiments, we might even fashion ourselves into Gods. :D

All we need is some black goo, and a bald bodybuilder...
 
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I don't think that's the definition of Atheism at all...Atheism, the Big Bang, evolution, aboigenesis are all completely irrelevant from each other.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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It is widely theorized that life on Earth started via a process termed abiogenesis, that is, it arose spontaneously from the chemicals and and energies present where it arose and no required outside influence or intervention from any supernatural beings.

If this is the case, shouldn't abiogenesis be occurring all the time? Shouldn't we be finding new life forms? Could we even tell if we did?

It is widely speculated that a god created life on Earth in it's current form and that it required no evolutionary process.
If so, how was this god created? Why is he not making new life forms today? Why did he make so many species that were not fit to survive and died out?
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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The process that created early life involved a lot of catalysts: extreme heat, methane, water, tidal forces, acid...not many of those conditions exist today but were common on early Earth. This process takes 100's of millions of years as well...it may be happening on places like the ocean floor, but we won't see results in our species lifetime.

People go by the assumption that life came from a single source, which is probably wrong. It most likely came from several separate sources that merged and traded features at some point.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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It is widely speculated that a god created life on Earth in it's current form and that it required no evolutionary process.
If so, how was this god created? Why is he not making new life forms today? Why did he make so many species that were not fit to survive and died out?

I'd be fine with accepting that some alien(s) experimented on Earth and wound up creating various lifeforms (or perhaps only provided that first "spark").

But I wouldn't worship it. Especially if it was all under the intent to create a zoo of potential worshipers. Especially if it was demanded.

And I certainly won't respect/worship any such creatures that did all that, fucked around with the lifeforms, killed some, revived some, generally ruined the lives of many, played nasty games with, and threatened on a routine basis. Yeah, that's some friendly fatherly being(s) right there. Let me bow down and pay respect/plead my case. Right.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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If this is the case, shouldn't abiogenesis be occurring all the time? Shouldn't we be finding new life forms? Could we even tell if we did?

Just because it happened at least once doesn't mean it has to be likely at all. A few billion years ago Earth won the lottery of life, that's probably all.

And as others have said the conditions on Earth have changed drastically over the billions of years. For example, Pangea existed between 200 and 300 million years ago. Life on Earth is probably around 4000 million years old now.
 

SlowSpyder

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Jan 12, 2005
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It probably is happening all the time. And by all the time I mean as many as .0001% of solar systems may have that happening (completley pulling that number from my ass). Now, tell me, how many planets in our own solar system have we studied in real detail, I mean with a probe or manned mission. Now expand that to the number of planet systems in the Milky Way? Now, how many probes or manned miisions have we sent to the millions upon millions of galaxies outside our Milky Way?

As far as space exploration goes, we are basically like the 1800's were to medicine. We have an ok enough understanding, but we really don't have the tools, experience, ability, or the breakthrough to jump ahead yet.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Feb 17, 2005
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It is widely speculated that a god created life on Earth in it's current form and that it required no evolutionary process.
If so, how was this god created? Why is he not making new life forms today? Why did he make so many species that were not fit to survive and died out?

Are you insinuating that I am implying something?
 

SparkyJJO

Lifer
May 16, 2002
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It is widely speculated that a god created life on Earth in it's current form and that it required no evolutionary process.
If so, how was this god created? Why is he not making new life forms today? Why did he make so many species that were not fit to survive and died out?

By definition God is eternal and doesn't need creating. Since many believe that matter has always been here is some form or other (therefore being eternal) this shouldn't be too hard to understand. Also, he doesn't have to keep making new stuff all the time, nor does he have to make everything continue to exist. He's God, he can do whatever the heck he wants to do :p
 

pelov

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Dec 6, 2011
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By definition God is eternal and doesn't need creating. Since many believe that matter has always been here is some form or other (therefore being eternal) this shouldn't be too hard to understand. Also, he doesn't have to keep making new stuff all the time, nor does he have to make everything continue to exist. He's God, he can do whatever the heck he wants to do


Good news, everyone!
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Apparently the omniscient, omnipotent and infinite thing called god has a penis and totally looks like us. Taking bets on the size of his schlong. The winner gets a lifetime supply of mayonnaise.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Feb 17, 2005
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I love these threads sometimes because I get the idea that some people think one day a monkey gave birth to a human and maybe a few other monkeys did at the same time, and that's how it all started.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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Jul 29, 2008
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By definition God is eternal and doesn't need creating. Since many believe that matter has always been here is some form or other (therefore being eternal) this shouldn't be too hard to understand. Also, he doesn't have to keep making new stuff all the time, nor does he have to make everything continue to exist. He's God, he can do whatever the heck he wants to do :p

Err, what?

God isn't eternal at all. At most he's 200,000 years old. He was invented by humans so how in the world can he be eternal??

Some people just don't think before they post.
 

Ken g6

Programming Moderator, Elite Member
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It may actually happen relatively often. Once every few million years, say. But there's already life on this planet, just about everywhere it can survive. And the existing life probably finds any new life forms...to be tender, delicious morsels. :p
 

moonbogg

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Jan 8, 2011
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There are new solar systems being born all the time. Abiogenesis is likely starting all the time as well in many locations. Where in nature does something happen which doesn't happen often and hasn't been happening for a long time? The earth grows people like a tree grows apples. Deal with it. Allan Watts to your ass.